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Maguire | he stays!
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It is important to remember that pay off figure is coming from The Sun. More reputable sources have reported it's actually closer to £7m.
Only that your anger stems from a misdirected sense of justice. He's not rinsing the club. It's hypocritical to criticize players for fulfilling their contracts when you don't want them around any longer but at the same time expect players who want to leave to respect theirs. So you're entitled to your opinion but if that's your opinion, you're wrong, plain and simple.
So Maguire is greedy because... he doesn't want a pay cut?
If he is asking his contractual money to be paid then nothing there to complain actually. No player will let go a huge amount. We are stuck and it is what it is.
Can we not threaten to send him to a training camp in Greece if he refuses to feck off?
Constructive dismissal is illegal.
Simply give him the job of being Johnny Evan's assistant coach with the kids - no number, no position. The club fulfils its legal employer responsibilities while he assists someone we saw surplus to requirements eight years ago, but is still going to be one above him in the pecking order.
This is a man who's risking his career for money. There's nothing honorable about what he's doing. He could go Captain west ham, play week in week out, and keep playing for his country, but instead he wants to sit on his arse just to collect some more money. He's also not the kind who's gonna get better without playing, so the more he's on the bench the worse he'll get. This will also stop us from getting someone like Pavard in, so it harms the club.
I have no sympathy for him. He was a massive investment and ended up being a massive disappointment. He already collected way more money than he actually deserves. The least he could do is leave. I don't want us to boo him or abuse him online, but he should be told that his United career is over.
It's better to be a squad player at United than a starter for West Ham. I would definitely prefer it as well.
Our (ex) captain 
Because you love the club, but it's not really good for your career is it? It also depends on how you view your level. Maguire was bought to be a starter, now he's been stripped of the captaincy, and is becoming a global meme. His presence at the club brings a lot of humiliation for him.
Terrible look for the former captain of the club. This isn’t like Barca trying to force a player out of the club, if he wants to stay…fine. If he wants to go…fine. If he stays, he gets paid in full, but will likely not play much. If HE wants to go, why should United pay him off…it would have been his decision to leave to ensure he is playing.
Yes to two;
Pep:
"He's strong in the air, good with the ball, the build-up, he drives with the ball, he's fast, so fast. He has all the qualities. Congratulations to United for this signature."
- Money Maguire"He has a lot of defensive intensity, he can unlock a match and, from what I have been told, he is a very good boy." - Sanchez
German journalist Raphael Honigstein – who is currently working with Per Mertersacker on his new autobiography – has lifted the lid on just how much Sánchez’s eventual departure came as a relief to Arsène Wenger’s squad.
“It’s been under-reported just how badly the whole Arsenal dressing room hated Alexis Sanchez,” Honigstein told the Totally Football Show podcast.
I think he did want Fred and Ronnie;
Just let him rot in the reserves. Undeserving to be part of our squad from hereon.
No way. Maguire is just a bumbling fool who is seemingly a bit out of touch with how he's perceived, Corden is just awful.
Pep wanted them all. Luckily for City we didn’t let Pep screw them over. It’s happened many times with Klopp too where the clubs targets have proven better than them managers.Yes to two;
Pep:
"He's strong in the air, good with the ball, the build-up, he drives with the ball, he's fast, so fast. He has all the qualities. Congratulations to United for this signature."
"He has a lot of defensive intensity, he can unlock a match and, from what I have been told, he is a very good boy." - Sanchez
German journalist Raphael Honigstein – who is currently working with Per Mertersacker on his new autobiography – has lifted the lid on just how much Sánchez’s eventual departure came as a relief to Arsène Wenger’s squad.
“It’s been under-reported just how badly the whole Arsenal dressing room hated Alexis Sanchez,” Honigstein told the Totally Football Show podcast.
I think he did want Fred and Ronnie;
Maybe he also loves the club. And at 30, he doesn't believe he has a career to protect.
Ander Herrera was in tears about leaving a club where he'd become a squad player. Sometimes players want to stay.
Harry may well have concluded that he’s already lost his place in the NT and if that’s the case all he’s got left is a vacuum cleaner that specializes in hoovering cash.
And it’s hard to see Harry having any kind of future career in management, punditry or consulting.
And it’s hard to see Harry having any kind of future career in management, punditry or consulting.
Maguire is just desperate to stay here because no other club on our level will buy him. Real, Barca, City, Napoli, every single club that wants to challenge for the league and play CL football would want nothing to do with Maguire. He thinks he's a CL level player and that West Ham is beneath him.
This is what happens when you make a Leicester CB the most expensive defender of all time, pay him almost £200k per week and make him your captain. He starts believing his own hype and genuinely thinks he's a top CB. It's no wonder Ronaldo was so opposed to his captaincy, how do you even respect the guy when he costs the team goals almost every week? We're stuck with him as he'll refuse every move he believes to be lower than his level. No one wants him here, not the manager, not the fans. There will be a total meltdown next time he makes a mistake (it's inevitable really). Just a matter of time.
This is what happens when you make a Leicester CB the most expensive defender of all time, pay him almost £200k per week and make him your captain. He starts believing his own hype and genuinely thinks he's a top CB. It's no wonder Ronaldo was so opposed to his captaincy, how do you even respect the guy when he costs the team goals almost every week? We're stuck with him as he'll refuse every move he believes to be lower than his level. No one wants him here, not the manager, not the fans. There will be a total meltdown next time he makes a mistake (it's inevitable really). Just a matter of time.
But then you get £0 transfer fees and lose £10m a year in wages. For a player who’s not going to play. It seems a lot of money just to get one up on a player you don’t like.
If it's about money, what do you think the fee should be that Manchester United should accept?
One thing I can't get my head around is this...If you have a turd at your work that constantly make things harder for you and your fellow work mates, would you not address this by talking to your boss? I mean, if you play for United and have high expectations of yourself and your team, Harry is that kind of turd. I know I would be furious. I remember when I was playing football when growing up, you always dreaded when THAT guy was substituted or picked to start. You knew that a mistake would happen and you all had to make up for it.
A lot of trust being put in “fat man’s” report for the sun
Do get flashbacks from my playing days reading this. We had issues with a guy like that who also had a arrogant demeanour thinking he was good enough to be a starter.
Maguire strikes me to have the same type of ways in his behaviour based on his comments about not having to prove. Never good for the group to have a guy with that attitude in the squad.
Do also remember from goal that Antony scored last season where he completely changed his facial impression to the worse when Maguire approached him after a goal.
That said, Antony doesn’t have much of a reason to act arrogant either.But thats my point. Even as 5th choice CB he will get enough time on the pitch to probably keep his England spot. Varane cant play all the time and Victor and Martinez will be out for injuries or fatigue from time to time.
Not sure why people are up in arms about Maguire staying, a very good squad option who seems willing to fight for his place, that usually what fans and managers want to see.
But of course it's Harry Maguire, and most of the fan base seems to have been taken in by the pathetic online memes.
But of course it's Harry Maguire, and most of the fan base seems to have been taken in by the pathetic online memes.
So it's right to get the full payment in advance for a contract you haven't served and you go on and play for another employer who also pays you on top of the lump sum you just got?
He continuously underperforms and frankly currently sucks at the position he was hired for, naturally there will be anger coming from the "clients" of United as they are also paying for their support. Pretty natural isn't it?
Based on reports he is willing to go to another club if he's paid, which is the irritating part. If he just want to be at United and collect that paycheck then come out and flat out reject the approach from WH.
This is also coming from someone who couple of months ago was our captain.
As I've said - if he wants to sit on a bench and not play much for two years to collect his pay check - it's ok as United was the idiots to sign him for that contract - I'm ok with that.
But I'm not ok to pay him two years in advance to go and play straight away for another club who will also pay him, that's the greedy part.
I'm pretty sure we paid more than that to sack Moyes and probably Ole.
Maguire can qualify for homegrown status, right ? I know McTominay is for United, but I wonder if that is a consideration for possibly letting them go and replacing them ?
Maguire thinks he still have an opportunity at United. We will have more than 50 games this season and he will probably start in some odd games and substitute. He is sitting on a high wage and probably has bonus tied to performance. He reckon it is still better for him to stay at United than going to West Ham. He probably earns similar or more having play less games. He will stick around till the end of his contract and join a promoted club in a couple of years time. He is looking out of his own interest which is nothing wrong. Let's hope he perform with the limited chances that he will get.
Is he though? A good squad option I mean. He's what, fourth choice? 190k a week, hardly playing and his attributes don't seem to suit how we want to play going forwards. Sure he can get his head on a ball and isn't as bad as made out, but if we were looking for squad options in the open market I can't imagine we would be looking at anything like that profile. He's in the squad because he hasn't left and so we will make use of him. It's a stretch to call it a good option though, more a make do option.
I know it's easy to paint everyone wanting him gone as Maguire haters, but it's not entirely true. There is for some of us a realisation that what he costs us in no way matches what he brings. That's not his fault, but it doesn't stop people from wanting the situation resolved to everyone's benefit if possible. If it's not in everyone's benefit then at least Manchester United's, because that's who we support at the end of the day.
Exactly.
If you're rational, you don't. You involve him in training, give him smaller games, because there's every chance he may be needed if your first choice defenders go down. Or you just take the loss on the chin and sell him.
But when have fans ever been rational? Hence the "let him rot" chants. Thankfully, EtH is much smarter.
I'm not sure how this translates. You think Bruno and co will be complaining to the manager about Maguire's presence in the squad?
I promise you they don't give a feck. If anything, they're thankful Maguire is the current lightning rod attracting any criticism their feckups would otherwise generate.
No. That is no true.
I'd say his 31 appearances last season suggests otherwise.
I wager he gets similar numbers this season, which is fine for a squad player, someone who wants to be at the club and is willing to fight for his place back.
As for playing in the system, you're right, he doesn't suit the system that Ten Hag wants to play but we won't play that same system every game, nor does every team have players that 'suit' their system.
We paid Sanchez a lot more to feck off and we got nothing in return. Utd obviously looking at the value of the situation and not budging. He’s ok here as a squad player unless we break this financial threshold. I’m fine with it. He’ll probably go next summer for less money but we get a decent backup in the meantime. Hopefully when he does leave we've used the extra time to find and recruit the best young centre back prospect in the world, whoever that may be.
Well, we know that Eric Bailly had words with Solskjaer about this, and was told that Maguire had to play because of his price tag....(Allegedly)..
Good to know that only YOUR opinion is valid. I don't even disagree with most of this post of yours. But that is not the point.
All the difference lies in the numbers and frankly none of us have it so we can only deal in hypotheticals.
I am defending his right to have a good compensation. But in the hypothetical situation where he gets his full future salary in advance before leaving is the exact definition of rinsing the club. Sorry you can't understand this.
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You can have the all nuanced debate in the world on this, but the simple fact is: the guy’s a prick.