Maguire | he stays!

bosnian_red said:
This mentality is embarassing.

The club gave him a contract, he is entitled to it. As Chelsea did to Lukaku. Chelsea don't want to sell him at a loss or a reasonable fee for others but refuse to let him train with the mains, it's disgusting treatment.

How would you like it if your work said feck your contract we want you out even if you didn't want to leave? You have to relocate across the country or to a different country on a lower salary? You'd tell them to feck off and you'd stay.
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That is how (unfortunately) business works. On daily basis.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
Ultimately it's his choice. It should be said that he chose money of career.

Hopefully Southgate takes the same view and it helps us see Colwell and Stones going forward.

Let's just hope Varane stays fit.
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Also Guehi, Tomori and even Shaw as a cb. Hopefully Maguire is taught a lesson: keep the money, lose your England place
 
He holds all the cards as we cant drop him for the reserves, since we cant buy another CB before he leaves.
The only chance he gets zero playing time is if Varane, Martinez and Victor stays fit for the whole season and Malacia becomes amazing so we can rest Shaw for games and play him at CB.

I feel his odds for getting 20+ games this year is very good and thats more than enough for Southgate to keep him in his starting 11.
 
Borussia Teeth said:
Also Guehi, Tomori and even Shaw as a cb. Hopefully Maguire is taught a lesson: keep the money, lose your England place
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Not sure if it was ETH or those above but Maguire should have been told he needed to leave. Should be nowhere near the bench and told to train with reserves. We are far too soft
 
Jeffthered said:
What a joke.

OGS has a huge amount to answer for. He was an absolute, unmitigated disaster for the club, both on the pitch and off it. His actions, daft contracts to Sancho, Martial, Maguire etc have resulted in our current position. Loads of players we can't move on.

I feel for the owners and ETH in this respect. Maguire will have to fight to get in the team, or be happy with rotation. £15m is no little sum...
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I never knew Ole was our chief negotiator. I thought that was Woody's mate Matt Judge. What do I know?
 
BootsyCollins said:
He holds all the cards as we cant drop him for the reserves, since we cant buy another CB before he leaves.
The only chance he gets zero playing time is if Varane, Martinez and Victor stays fit for the whole season and Malacia becomes amazing so we can rest Shaw for games and play him at CB.

I feel his odds for getting 20+ games this year is very good and thats more than enough for Southgate to keep him in his starting 11.
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Not if we bring in Pavard/Todibo.
 
Ralph1386 said:
Gotta feel sorry for ETH for all the mess he’s inherited.
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Every new manager faces legacy issues including ours. Moyes to LVG to Jose to Ole to ETH.

That's why we were supposed to have a DOF to limit these legacy issues. And that's on Woodward.
 
AmanNits04 said:
Let this be a reminder to the club authorities what happens when you give or sign players on high wages. Maguire is well within his rights to refuse an offer which pays him less than his current salary. Utd signed a contract with him and they will have to honor it. Hopefully club learns from this.
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These guys just signed mount for HUGE money, put him on HUGE salary and managed to make the team worse in the process. Nah no lessons learnt here.
 
Gordon Godot said:
Not sure if it was ETH or those above but Maguire should have been told he needed to leave. Should be nowhere near the bench and told to train with reserves. We are far too soft
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We might need him at times this season. Sadly we have put ourselves in a position where are numbers are just incredibly low in that position.
 
BootsyCollins said:
He holds all the cards as we cant drop him for the reserves, since we cant buy another CB before he leaves.
The only chance he gets zero playing time is if Varane, Martinez and Victor stays fit for the whole season and Malacia becomes amazing so we can rest Shaw for games and play him at CB.

I feel his odds for getting 20+ games this year is very good and thats more than enough for Southgate to keep him in his starting 11.
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I disagree. It was a game who blinks first and we did. Instead being clear that he will not be part of Erik's plans, we said that he can fight for his place.
I doubt that he would reject West Ham if his future was in United's reserves.
 
I’d have done what Maguire did if I had a family too.

I kind of respect him for it to be honest.
 
£15m, wow. He's tanking his own career in real time. He'd make more money long term, taking the £6m that was offered and going to WH and extending his career. Not like he was going to be on poverty wages.

What a tool shed.
 
Redlyn said:
These guys just signed mount for HUGE money, put him on HUGE salary and managed to make the team worse in the process. Nah no lessons learnt here.
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If you look at the market, £60m is hardly huge money for a player in his position and he is young so you preserve some sell on value at least. Maguire remains (I think Gvardiol pushed this close) the most expensive defender of all time.
 
dinostar77 said:


Jesus, thats alot of money.

Just tell him, he wont be registered in CL or PL this season. Fecking parasite.

I know hes entitled to ask, if thats whats due to him. But it seems a big jump from £7mil.

One of the worst players in Utd history for the price we paid.
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If this is true then I take back every defense i have made for him. I cant bare to look at his fridge face any more. Hope it can get clarified because I am about to spend the whole season bitterly hating him.
 
BootsyCollins said:
I know, but my understanding is that we cant/wont unless he leaves. Ergo, he holds all the cards.
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He only holds cards if ETH wants him. If the alleged £15m pay off is true then that’s insane. Makes no sense to sell him then and he knows it. However if ETH is annoyed by this then he can simply refuse to play him bench and that’s it. No5 choice CH at best. Kills his England career as well. 15m is not the difference in wages it’s just stupid. Why do people keep bringing in Chelsea as if their model is correct it’s a joke.
 
Redlyn said:
If this is true then I take back every defense i have made for him. I cant bare to look at his fridge face any more. Hope it can get clarified because I am about to spend the whole season bitterly hating him.
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He didn't force United at gun point to offer him contract. He's well within his rights to stay or leave on his conditons.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
I disagree. It was a game who blinks first and we did. Instead being clear that he will not be part of Erik's plans, we said that he can fight for his place.
I doubt that he would reject West Ham if his future was in United's reserves.
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I doubt that to. Thats why i think he rejected it, since he know we cant drop him since we cant buy new players before he leaves.
Erik knows this to imo. So lets say we did not blink and said he will not be in the plans and wont be able to fight for his spot, it would take him 3 seconds to look at our squad and call our bluff.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
It's more than the deficit of his loss of earnings between the 2 contracts (Roughly £7m), he apparently wants another£8m due to the fact that if he run his contract down he would be offered a huge signing on bonus apparently. A near 33 old Maguire with little game time in years is going to apparently get £8m signing on bonus? Can't make this stuff up.
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Who'd want to sign him with actions like these?
 
Zehner said:
He didn't force United at gun point to offer him contract. He's well within his rights to stay or leave on his conditons.
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And everybody else is within their rights to think he’s a bit of a dick.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
There's someone in his head clearly...
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Plausible deniability. This is his agent working on his behalf. I wouldn't be surprised that this is all postuing from both sides.

Naively i think the last 48 hours of the window is when a lot of deals out will get done. Whether we can get any additional deals over the line at that point - i assume we've done work to get people lined up. Does anyone ever do a pre medical?
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
No, my job has a minimum guarantee employers can’t legally go below (i.e. scale), so I wasn’t making double the scale rate. It’s not really analogous though. For a normal working person, any pay cut is felt, whereas there isn’t a chance Maguire’s finances will be upended dropping from £190,000 per week to £120,000.
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Of course they will be if he wants to maintain his existing lifestyle, his career ends in 3-4 years - after that he has no income, there's no guarantee he'll turn in to a coach, given the shit he gets a I doubt he's gonna be forking for MUTV
 
Zehner said:
He didn't force United at gun point to offer him contract. He's well within his rights to stay or leave on his conditons.
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Sure and its also well within my right to see him as unrealistc, greedy and useless.
In this kind of situation there has to be a middle ground where he has to give up a little in exchange for money he hasnt yet earned upfront and freshstart. If he wants his FULL future cash upfront while not playing for us then the fans are in their right to treat him as he deserves.
 
Zehner said:
He didn't force United at gun point to offer him contract. He's well within his rights to stay or leave on his conditons.
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And he's about to get plenty of abuse due to this decision. I'm pretty sure fans will turn on him straight away even without setting foot on the ground, because he will be the reason not to strengthen certain positions.

He already good booed before even someone was in for him, let alone after dragging this and wanting to squeeze every bit of money from both parties.
 
Redlyn said:
Sure and its also well within my right to see him as unrealistc, greedy and useless.
In this kind of situation there has to be a middle ground where he has to give up a little in exchange for money he hasnt yet earned upfront and freshstart. If he wants his FULL future cash upfront while not playing for us then the fans are in their right to treat him as he deserves.
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Would you expect not to be paid if you turned up for work but your employer had nothing for you to do?

Actually playing in a game is only part of the job, the biggest part of the job is training and preparation
 
He will stay for the money and may get his chance eventually to play a game. But he will be dropped straight away again as he isn't up to it.

His passion is the money now, hopefully he loses his England place too, more time to enjoy the money.
 
Paul778 said:
Plausible deniability. This is his agent working on his behalf. I wouldn't be surprised that this is all postuing from both sides.

Naively i think the last 48 hours of the window is when a lot of deals out will get done. Whether we can get any additional deals over the line at that point - i assume we've done work to get people lined up. Does anyone ever do a pre medical?
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No but we can do medicals all over the world but with our targets of Pavard and Amrabat, the worry is that they get scooped up by Arsenal and Liverpool before then.
 
Red in STL said:
Would you expect not to be paid if you turned up for work but your employer had nothing for you to do?

Actually playing in a game is only part of the job, the biggest part of the job is training and preparation
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That's ok if he wants to take that path. Turn up, train - with reserves or U21 - it's the employer's decision, not yours, then collect the paycheck.
If you turn up late - you get yourself a fine.

What irks me, and pretty sure most others, you want to get paid for 2 years in advance, collect the money, then go to another club, collect another paycheck, play competitive games (why not against United as well) and keep your England's place. That can't and should not happen.

The best scenario for United is to structure a deal with Pavard/Tolibo so it doesn't affect much the FFP and feck him out on loan to some League 2 side with United of course still filling the wages.
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
I’ve left jobs to earn less money but have a better role. I’ve quit to work on better projects that are more interesting to me, even though I didn’t make as much. I don’t think that’s a rare thing. Especially if you’re making decent scratch in both jobs.
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No offence but was it a 30 percent pay cut and are you in the last few years of your career? And did you have to uproot your family to take that new job? It's also not uncommon to stay in a job you don't like because it's paying to upkeep your lifestyle.
 
Eugenius said:
No offence but was it a 30 percent pay cut and are you in the last few years of your career? And did you have to uproot your family to take that new job? It's also not uncommon to stay in a job you don't like because it's paying to upkeep your lifestyle.
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Can we please stop acting like Harry was going to be on the breadline. He was offered 6m by the club on top of what he'd be on at West Ham.
 
Eugenius said:
No offence but was it a 30 percent pay cut and are you in the last few years of your career? And did you have to uproot your family to take that new job? It's also not uncommon to stay in a job you don't like because it's paying to upkeep your lifestyle.
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This isn't a paycut at all as we apparently offered him £7m (Deficit in contract), so for the 2 years he has of this contract he would earn the same, while getting to play more football and be more appreciated. Further to that, he will still have a good contract at the age of 32 when in reality after 2 years of barely playing here, the chances of him being offered £120k at 32 are slim to none so financially I actually think he's better off going..
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
This isn't a paycut at all as we apparently offered him £7m (Deficit in contract), so for the 2 years he has of this contract he would earn the same, while getting to play more football and be more appreciated. Further to that, he will still have a good contract at the age of 32 when in reality after 2 years of barely playing here, the chances of him being offered £120k at 32 are slim to none so financially I actually think he's better off going..
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Yeah, it feels like short-term thinking from Harry, unless he truly believes he will turn it around here.

If he does suddenly become a first team player here, then there is a chance an extension happens, but based on the here and now, I’d hedge my bets he’ll make a handful of appearances to cover injuries and tiredness and then sit on the bench 70% of games.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
This isn't a paycut at all as we apparently offered him £7m (Deficit in contract), so for the 2 years he has of this contract he would earn the same, while getting to play more football and be more appreciated. Further to that, he will still have a good contract at the age of 32 when in reality after 2 years of barely playing here, the chances of him being offered £120k at 32 are slim to none so financially I actually think he's better off going..
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Fr. Todd Unctious said:
Can we please stop acting like Harry was going to be on the breadline. He was offered 6m by the club on top of what he'd be on at West Ham.
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The report was he was asking for £7m lump sum from United to make whole the gap between £190k and £120k at West Ham over the two years left on his contract. The report was that West Ham pulled out because he was taking too long to agree the payout from Utd (and then followed by briefings from the Maguire camp about him being happy here etc, which sounds like PR). I'm saying it is completely rational for him to want to pursue that money, and if he doesn't get it to stay put.
 
Fr. Todd Unctious said:
Can we please stop acting like Harry was going to be on the breadline. He was offered 6m by the club on top of what he'd be on at West Ham.
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Obviously no premier league footballer is struggling for money.

But it's utter fan idiocy to think any player is daft enough to change club for a big pay cut!
 
Too much chat about the amount Harry did or didn't ask for and how much United did or didn't offer...

Maguire never agreed personal terms with West Ham, and was on the bench even after West Ham had bid.

He had no interest in leaving. All these numbers are just twitter bollocks.
 
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