Gotta feel sorry for ETH for all the mess he’s inherited.
Maguire | he stays!
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Still think this'll happen, I posted in this thread at the start of the window saying I expected this to go to the wire and stand by that
The issue the club have is by making it common knowledge that they won't sign replacements until the incumbents are sold it puts all the power in the hands of those players who know that if they dig in utd will eventually cave as they'll be desperate to get their replacements (who by all accounts have already been sounded out) before the deadline.
I don't buy the west ham moving on story either, that's just more public pressure to get us to cave - they love a drawn out transfer saga as much as we do. Karen's gotta protect her apprentice image after all. Having said all that I expect there will be other interested parties down the line too
I think Maguire will go on deadline day
The issue the club have is by making it common knowledge that they won't sign replacements until the incumbents are sold it puts all the power in the hands of those players who know that if they dig in utd will eventually cave as they'll be desperate to get their replacements (who by all accounts have already been sounded out) before the deadline.
I don't buy the west ham moving on story either, that's just more public pressure to get us to cave - they love a drawn out transfer saga as much as we do. Karen's gotta protect her apprentice image after all. Having said all that I expect there will be other interested parties down the line too
I think Maguire will go on deadline day
Agreed, paying him the difference if you are asking him to move on is fine but he's projecting revenue beyond his contract, madness to me.
Who the hell does he think he is. Shouldn't be named in the CL squad for starters. Ten Hag is under no obligation to put him in it
Good lawd, this club. We'll be reeling from the mess of Woodward-Judge for years to come.
That piece of information does come from the Sun though.
If it happens be true, it's crazier than him thinking he could regain his place in the 1st team
If he doesn't want to leave, he doesn't leave and he remains at United and gets paid the remainder of his contract.
Its clear as day, the club as you keep ignoring have said they are happy for him to stay.
So he ONLY leaves if HE wants to
Maguire would clearly like to honour his contract at Utd though, the club are trying to sell him but it's very clear he isn't particularly up for a move. It's not really his choice, is it?
So essentially we need to pay him half of his salary not only for the remainder of his United contract, but also for 2 years after that.
I said before that we should put him to train with the reserves.
It has been reported from various sources that he wants compensation if he's to leave for another team. Which means that he does want to leave if given similar wage package or not taking a pay cut.
We gave him a big contract and he hasn't played well in years. We are trying to find a best case scenario for both parties. So i think its only fair that he gets a partial pay off. I don't think its fair that he get the wages that he would've gotten if he had stayed, cause he ain't staying. And he ain't staying because its not only better for the club, but also better for his career.
Honestly, if he decides to stay, then i hope we never see him on the bench even. I think we can manage without him on the pitch, but i hate that we can't get a new defender in.
Honestly, if he decides to stay, then i hope we never see him on the bench even. I think we can manage without him on the pitch, but i hate that we can't get a new defender in.
The club accepted an offer. The club also have stated they are happy for him to stay, so yes it is his choice
I'd say they're smart enough to brief that they're in for certain players so we would bite.
No, that means he wants to ensure that he is financially recompensed from being asked to exit his current contract ahead of schedule and take a lower wage elsewhere. That doesn't mean he actually wants to leave.
Those who still clamour about workers' rights and all that need to realise that 99% of workers will not get the kind of guaranteed payout (tens of millions) for underperformance. His case is more similar to that of senior executives/directors who fail, bleed the company and still get millions in bonuses and stock options. A bit like Woodward.
Which is essentially the same.
If he is recompensated he will most likely leave.
Did he put in a transfer request, publicly agitate for a move, or otherwise give indications he wanted to move? No. He hasn't. The process is led by the club seeking to move him on here. If they want him to exit his contract early to facilitate a move it's on them to agree terms with Maguire for that.
The Glazers were never going to give him £7+ million to leave the club.
Deal was a none starter...just a waste of everyone's time.
Deal was a none starter...just a waste of everyone's time.
Okay. I can see I'm wasting my time here.
The only explanation is that EtH is saying different things in private.
The problem is that fans sat on the internet have created their own echo chamber. And then they've projected those heightened opinions/feelings onto the club hierarchy.
It's quite possible that Maguire is hearing something completely different. People here think he should be "punished". But perhaps the manager is saying he wants Maguire to stay and fight for his place if he's up for it. There are certainly noises coming out about that. But the echo-chamber has led people to think that's made up.
Maybe there's just no more money, even if we sell Maguire. So from ETH's perspective, it makes sense be wants Maguire to stay
No way out of this. No benefit in sinking that money (even at half of that) on a player’s exodus and in turn running out of money to replace him. A body is better than nobody. He’ll have to stay. Regrettably. Actions (such as bad contracts and bad signings) have consequences.
Let this be a reminder to the club authorities what happens when you give or sign players on high wages. Maguire is well within his rights to refuse an offer which pays him less than his current salary. Utd signed a contract with him and they will have to honor it. Hopefully club learns from this.
So when David de Gea JOINED the club he was draped in a grey blanket to stop press intrusion. When Harry Maguire leaves the ground from now on he is going to have to wear a grey blanket over his head like criminal being bundled into Crown Court.
The day he signed for the club will be marked as "a day that will live in Infamy"
It's just a shame we haven't got someone like Ibrahimović playing up front, as any United player that wants to achieve legend status will just need to "leave one on" Maguire if we ever play against him.
The day he signed for the club will be marked as "a day that will live in Infamy"
It's just a shame we haven't got someone like Ibrahimović playing up front, as any United player that wants to achieve legend status will just need to "leave one on" Maguire if we ever play against him.
It is his right but it is also stupid. He risks his career as a player
I know mate, but can't blame him for thinking about money as well
I can, especially under the current circumstances. Once more, his judgement is completely off, and the fans will react to that as well. Will make his life at United tricky imo
Supposedly, he actually wanted £15m in total. Almost made it pointless to sell him, to be honest.
The impact on cash flows could have been pretty big if he wanted it in a lump sum, also.
No body actually knows that , Custis who pushed this £15m nonsense was the one who few days earlier reported that United had paid £7 m to Maguire to leave So its quite obvious he was talking out of his Ass as Usual.
The process is led by West Ham who want to sign him. The club are happy for him to stay
It doesn’t make any sense. He will be getting a new salary from West Ham. So if he’s getting less which he will. We only owe him the difference not his entire remaining contract. This is a moving of ownership not termination.
Ultimately it's his choice. It should be said that he chose money of career.
Hopefully Southgate takes the same view and it helps us see Colwell and Stones going forward.
Let's just hope Varane stays fit.
Hopefully Southgate takes the same view and it helps us see Colwell and Stones going forward.
Let's just hope Varane stays fit.
He'll be 32 when his contract ends. Considering his lack of pace now, there won't be much left for him after that, other than maybe the lower leagues. And maybe the lower leagues are not something he's interested in long term.
So staying would be think about his career, because the current contract is going to cover the entirety of his remaining time as a player. I can understand wanting to do that from the bench of trophy challenging Manchester United rather than the first team of relegation threatened West Ham.
If nobody wanted to be a squad player, we'd only have 11 players. You can't diss everyone who is happy to sit on our bench or else we'd have hardly anyone left.
Exactly this £15m pay off thing belies logic completely , I think Maguire might genuinely want to Give it another shot at United for a year and United aren't exactly fussed about it to push him out at least that's how it seems to me there is more to it then just disagreement about the money .
Lot of people getting angry about quotes from The Sun.
What a joke.
OGS has a huge amount to answer for. He was an absolute, unmitigated disaster for the club, both on the pitch and off it. His actions, daft contracts to Sancho, Martial, Maguire etc have resulted in our current position. Loads of players we can't move on.
I feel for the owners and ETH in this respect. Maguire will have to fight to get in the team, or be happy with rotation. £15m is no little sum...
OGS has a huge amount to answer for. He was an absolute, unmitigated disaster for the club, both on the pitch and off it. His actions, daft contracts to Sancho, Martial, Maguire etc have resulted in our current position. Loads of players we can't move on.
I feel for the owners and ETH in this respect. Maguire will have to fight to get in the team, or be happy with rotation. £15m is no little sum...
I completely back Maguire in this. There has to be repercussions for making silly decisions and this is one of it. The people who run the club are safely hiding behind the manager for every transfer decision. Just because you fire a manager doesn't mean everything is fixed. The club has to handle the blowback for a few years. The fact that we are happy to repeat the same mistakes over and over again makes me so livid. And our fanbase falls hook, line and sinker for the same charade everytime.
We are all happy to laugh at the likes of Boehly but Chelsea always seem to return to a much better position after a crap one.
We are all happy to laugh at the likes of Boehly but Chelsea always seem to return to a much better position after a crap one.
Why? You can't blindly trust a manager any more. Especially in an age when managers get fired left right and centre. If you give so much financial power to such a volatile position then you are asking for trouble. And it's not its the first time this has happened. We had to live with Fellaini who Moyes signed, then all the crap that LvG signed, then Mourinho, then Ole.
Yeah that's how a contracts work. Both parties need to agree if you want to terminate said contract.
The deciding factor is which party is interested to opt out, because that side has to pay. If both are happy to stay put so let it be.
It remains pretty obvious to everyone (but you) that the club would be happy to move him, I think you know that they would not say that in a press conference.
His answer is: Yes you can cancel that contract but I had intentions to fullfill it so you have to pay me out of it.
Pretty simple tbh....
I agree, the connective network of twitter/chatter fans and twitter/tabloid speculants does work like a sort of cult, often a doomsday cult. I get sucked in by it too. All we know really is that he seems to be treated as fourth choice CB, Ten Hag don’t thinks the role he intends fir him is compatible with the captain’s role, and the club very likely is willing to let him go for something in the vicinity of €30-40m, depending on stuff we don’t know. Ten Hag has spoken highly about his qualities as a CB and as a human, while also mentioning his confidence. We don’t know why.