Maguire | he stays!

aeh1991 said:
Could have sold Maguire and McT for 53m. Now we're stuck with both and they will likely lose value drastically next transfer window. Also can't do further transfers properly.
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midou said:
Absolutely, we could have had:
+ Amrabat and Pavard/Todibo
- Maguire and McTominay
For 5-10m net spend.
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This is what really pisses me off about our transfer strategy this season.
 
JustCoco said:
This is money he's asking for because he'd be getting paid less at another club. That's not our problem.
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It's a problem we caused by offering him such a stupid contract. It is a lot of money to give up.
I personally would want to play games, atleast at that age when you risk losing your spot for England aswell, but i can definitely understand that some chose money - just look at the Saudi Arabia mercenaries.
Either way, people shouldn't abuse or harass anyone, even if we don't like or agree with his decision.
We can only hope United learn their lesson and stop giving ridiculous contracts.
 
Blood Mage said:
Feels like there's a growing sense of negativity building up around the club again. Not doing what we need to do in the transfer market, poor start to the season, players at the club who we can't shift and are bringing down the mood in the dressing room. Wouldn't be shocked if the wheels came off again but hey if it's what's needed to get rid of the Glazers...
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I think the negativity is largely just here not with the team, there is absolutely no evidence the likes of Maguire is bringing down the mood in the dressing room.

As underwhelming a performance against wolves as it was, I'm struggling with one win out of one being a poor start.
 
Grylte said:
It's a problem we caused by offering him such a stupid contract. It is a lot of money to give up.
I personally would want to play games, atleast at that age when you risk losing your spot for England aswell, but i can definitely understand that some chose money - just look at the Saudi Arabia mercenaries.
Either way, people shouldn't abuse or harass anyone, even if we don't like or agree with his decision.
We can only hope United learn their lesson and stop giving ridiculous contracts.
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Yes we offered him inflated wages, as a professional footballer he knows the lay of the land. You don't perform, you get sold. With that comes the high chance your wages take a hit.

His performances are why we want rid, he should - if he has any pride - accept that he's at fault, suck it up, move and intend show that we were wrong.

Instead he's spitting his dummy out as if we're to blame he'll get a paycut.
Wouldn't be a conversation if he wasn't so bad.
 
theballisround said:
Lessons to be learned by the club from this, recruit what we need (and Maguire obviously we didn't need long term) and stop paying big salaries to useless trash.
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The club will never learn.

While im not syaing hes trash, see Mason Mount's 250k / week contract as a prime example of this. Decent young player on mental wages and should be not make the cut here will be a nightmare to move on, however he will replace Bruno long term.
 
JustCoco said:
Yes we offered him inflated wages, as a professional footballer he knows the lay of the land. You don't perform, you get sold. With that comes the high chance your wages take a hit.

His performances are why we want rid, he should - if he has any pride - accept that he's at fault, suck it up, move and intend show that we were wrong.

Instead he's spitting his dummy out as if we're to blame he'll get a paycut.
Wouldn't be a conversation if he wasn't so bad.
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Its shocking he's sticking around the money. He wont stay in England team if he doesnt play. And he is nowhere near good enough for Utd and simply cannot play the sort of football ETH wants. WH woud have suited him. Its depressing that we are still not ruthless. He should not have been on bench on MOnday and should be banished to reserves.
 
sglowrider said:
True but he still can position himself as the ''former captain of the world famous Manchester United" as part of his personal brand.
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Issam Chawali, the Arab world's most famous commentator, has made volumes of comments ridiculing Maguire. His reputation can't recover from that even there.
 
Revan said:
Tell him that he won't play a single minute, and won't be registered for EPL and UCL. Get his number and give him number 86. Put him in the reserves.

Plenty of incentives, in addition to a few millions which we are willing to give to him.
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Totally agree. Send him down to the reserves.
 
Blood Mage said:
Feels like there's a growing sense of negativity building up around the club again. Not doing what we need to do in the transfer market, poor start to the season, players at the club who we can't shift and are bringing down the mood in the dressing room. Wouldn't be shocked if the wheels came off again but hey if it's what's needed to get rid of the Glazers...
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I feel like it's more driven by Chelsea's spending + a bad first game. People need to calm down, if we don't sell Maguire it's not the end of the world, if we don't get Amrabat, it's not the end of the world. ETH was never going to win the league this year but we should expect progress in how we play and we can't judge that after 1 game. If he's not the right guy, he's not the right guy. Let's see how he does with this team.

The reason people should enjoy sport is because it is competitive and you learn to deal with winning and losing, sadly the PL is no longer competitive because the league let a country own a club but outside of City it looks to be a really interesting and hopefully enjoyable season. Given the CL extra place it's basically a top 4 race still.
 
El Presidente said:
They’d genuinely struggle to reach half of that amount. Bailly is literally a free transfer.
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Mmm. £5m for Bailly, between £10/15m for Hannibal and £15m for Donny I'd say.
 
DannyCAFC said:
Is this done? A lot people celebrating, from what I can see a bid has been accepted and that's all.

Don't be surprised if he turns this move down and stays.
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Predictable Maguire move.
 
jadaba said:
Issam Chawali, the Arab world's most famous commentator, has made volumes of comments ridiculing Maguire. His reputation can't recover from that even there.
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Harry should sue Issam for slander in the amount of between 7-15 million.
 
JustCoco said:
He was being transferred, when do players get paid to transfer teams - never.
If this was us terminating the contract so he's a free agent, then a payoff would make sense.

This is money he's asking for because he'd be getting paid less at another club. That's not our problem.
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It is our problem if we actively want to sell him.

If a club wants to sell but the player wants to stay, the club should be paying out the difference in wages (at least; technically the player is within their rights to get their entire wage owed, not just the difference).
If a player wants to be sold but the club wants him to stay, there should be no wage paid.
If both the player and the club want the sale, I would say something like a 50% pay off is fair. Of course both sides will pretend the other is the one pushing the sale so they can get more money for themselves, but ultimately they should settle in the middle somewhere.

I would say in this scenario it's almost certainly the third scenario. If Maguire is on £190k a week and West Ham are offering £120k, that works out to just under £7.3m difference over the two seasons so it'd be fine to be paying Maguire around the £3-4m mark. If he's demanding more than that he's being ridiculous, if we're refusing to pay him at all we're being pricks. Media reports does seem to say it's the former, but there's nothing wrong with paying him 'some'.
 
theballisround said:
Lessons to be learned by the club from this, recruit what we need (and Maguire obviously we didn't need long term) and stop paying big salaries to useless trash.
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Do you mean we need to hire Nostradamus? One is three transfers will fail. That's a fact.

Lessons learnt is that before we want to sell the player, we need to do an entire PR campaign around them... build their personal brand up. And this way the Saudis will want to buy them/brand to enhance the league.
 
I was right in my previous posts about him. Only cares about the money. Traces of narcissism, snobbism and delusions of grandeur.

Based on his hunger for money, i was hoping maybe Saudis will come to the rescue, but alas. He is a meme, should raise the viewership/profile of the Saudi league if they were to get him. Maybe he doesn't fancy himself and his family living in a theocratic dictatorship.

I don't blame him that much. Harry is just a symptom of a much more sinister, foul disease - Glazers, Woodward, catastrophic scouting, lack of competent Director of Football...
 
JustCoco said:
He was being transferred, when do players get paid to transfer teams - never.
If this was us terminating the contract so he's a free agent, then a payoff would make sense.

This is money he's asking for because he'd be getting paid less at another club. That's not our problem.


Pointing out that he's lied about his intentions and desires, isn't an "expression of fiction." It's literal fact. He's aware he won't play, knows without games he won't get picked for England. These are things he's spoken about wanting to do.
He's also been vocal in wanting to stay, being captain of Manchester United is a privilege yada yada yada - yet is trying to milk the club to leave, when he knows he's not good enough.
Actions say otherwise.

Alright, I called him a scab, I suppose a leech would have been more accurate and pleased you more.
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This idea you have of players lying to fans through totally banal PR statements every player says and through their actions/motivations that you are 90% inferring is so hilariously juvenile.

Accept the fact you don't really know what Maguire thinks or wants in all of this and that transfers are just a little complicated.

Of course we want him gone and many think the best thing he could do is seek to play football and it reflects poorly on him settling for a complete bit part role at a club that doesnt value him - that's a fine opinion without dramatizing the whole thing around payoffs and lying to precious fans.
 
People saying he should be banished, etc, you cant really do that as PSG became aware of with Mbappe. All employment laws apply to all employees, if we refuse to put him in our squad or we dont register him without good reason then he could come after us legally for constructive dismissal or some such emploment law (I am not sure which one exactly).

All you can do is stick him in the squad and don't select him. What Erik could say is "he is not part of my squad options anymore, I can't see him getting many minutes with the way we are playing"... but thats not massively different to what we have said.
 
I've somewhat changed my position on Maguire after these last few weeks. For one, I'm happy he's willing to stay and fight. Yes, he's not worth his wages, yes, he's been disastrous for us - but if he puts his head down, is willing to work and resurrect his career, we as United fans should back him up and support him rather than bite behind his back. This is not the Maguire of two years ago who was egotistical and conceited. This is a man willing to acknowledge he is lacking something & willing to improve on it. I hope he succeeds.
 
Redcy said:
People saying he should be banished, etc, you cant really do that as PSG became aware of with Mbappe. All employment laws apply to all employees, if we refuse to put him in our squad or we dont register him without good reason then he could come after us legally for constructive dismissal or some such emploment law (I am not sure which one exactly).

All you can do is stick him in the squad and don't select him. What Erik could say is "he is not part of my squad options anymore, I can't see him getting many minutes with the way we are playing"... but thats not massively different to what we have said.
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There's no chance of constructive dismissal for not being in the squad.
 
“In 2019 I was very good in England. I was playing in the Europa League but I was very angry with the coach because he was putting Maguire in the team instead of me. Thank God they have taken him out now and Licha [Lisandro] Martinez is playing. One day I went to Solskjaer's office to tell him to let me leave for another club or put me in the starting line-up. I said it was wrong that I wasn't playing. But he told me that Maguire had to play regardless because they had paid so much money for him. He was making huge mistakes every week already and I told Solskjaer: ‘Son of a b*tch, let me play because this guy is making huge mistakes every week’.”

- Marco Rojo

"The club should avoid favouring English players and give everyone a chance...they should encourage competition in the dressing room, not just look out for some. I’ve always had the feeling that the national player was prioritised. That doesn’t happen at Chelsea or other big Premier League clubs. Some people take it for granted that they are going to start, and that weakens the team."

- Eric Bailly
 
Redcy said:
People saying he should be banished, etc, you cant really do that as PSG became aware of with Mbappe. All employment laws apply to all employees, if we refuse to put him in our squad or we dont register him without good reason then he could come after us legally for constructive dismissal or some such emploment law (I am not sure which one exactly).

All you can do is stick him in the squad and don't select him. What Erik could say is "he is not part of my squad options anymore, I can't see him getting many minutes with the way we are playing"... but thats not massively different to what we have said.
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We don't need to banish him though, we just need to keep playing him as much as we have. Most teams would love to have a player of his quality as depth, it's only in our interest to let him go if we can make some money back - which paying him off and only getting 30m would probably not be the case.
 
Lash said:
We don't need to banish him though, we just need to keep playing him as much as we have. Most teams would love to have a player of his quality as depth, it's only in our interest to let him go if we can make some money back - which paying him off and only getting 30m would probably not be the case.
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I agree, this is what I am saying we just keep him and don't play him. Its the idea you can punish an employee with a contract because they won't leave that people seem to thing will work that is the issue. You can not treat people differently because they are sticking to their contract, that is definitely a potential employment law suit.
 
Redcy said:
People saying he should be banished, etc, you cant really do that as PSG became aware of with Mbappe. All employment laws apply to all employees, if we refuse to put him in our squad or we dont register him without good reason then he could come after us legally for constructive dismissal or some such emploment law (I am not sure which one exactly).

All you can do is stick him in the squad and don't select him. What Erik could say is "he is not part of my squad options anymore, I can't see him getting many minutes with the way we are playing"... but thats not massively different to what we have said.
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Mbappe is actually useful addition to the squad. Maguire is not. There’s no base for him to complain if he’s not registered unless it’s written in his contract.

It’s actually a requirement that Maguire is available when healthy for selection. Whether or not the club want to register him is another matter if it isn’t explicitly said in the contract. United is privately run club, not a social institution
 
Redcy said:
People saying he should be banished, etc, you cant really do that as PSG became aware of with Mbappe. All employment laws apply to all employees, if we refuse to put him in our squad or we dont register him without good reason then he could come after us legally for constructive dismissal or some such emploment law (I am not sure which one exactly).

All you can do is stick him in the squad and don't select him. What Erik could say is "he is not part of my squad options anymore, I can't see him getting many minutes with the way we are playing"... but thats not massively different to what we have said.
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Actually it is. Harry Maguire: Erik ten Hag says defender must prove he is top class or leave Man Utd - BBC Sport


"He has the ability to be a top-class centre-back," said Ten Hag.

"He is the best for England so why shouldn't he be the best for us?

"But he has to prove it. When he is not confident enough to fight then he has to go, then he has to make a decision. But I'm happy with him."


Which sounds a lot more like an invitation to give it another go than a door slammed in his face.
 
Redcy said:
People saying he should be banished, etc, you cant really do that as PSG became aware of with Mbappe. All employment laws apply to all employees, if we refuse to put him in our squad or we dont register him without good reason then he could come after us legally for constructive dismissal or some such emploment law (I am not sure which one exactly).

All you can do is stick him in the squad and don't select him. What Erik could say is "he is not part of my squad options anymore, I can't see him getting many minutes with the way we are playing"... but thats not massively different to what we have said.
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Ten Hag is handling it superbly, Harry needs to improve his standards all the way. Don’t see him getting much game time unless we have a major injury list. He can sit and rot on the bench when he’s selected for it and enjoy his big wage.
 
Redcy said:
I agree, this is what I am saying we just keep him and don't play him. Its the idea you can punish an employee with a contract because they won't leave that people seem to thing will work that is the issue. You can not treat people differently because they are sticking to their contract, that is definitely a potential employment law suit.
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Oh yes, sorry, I wasn't disagreeing. Was highlighting the futility of the calls for banishment.
 
Kag said:
If he doesn’t push to leave then he’s in for a truly horrendous twelve months.
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Nah I don't think so. He's probably going to start 10-15 games for us, and come on in 15-20 more. He will still get plenty of time as we don't have that much depth at the back.
 
I feel he will still go, regardless of what ETH says publicly, he doesn't rate him. The stumbling block is his pay off, both parties will continue to negotiate this and find an agreed number. The issue is, it's not leaving much room to buy the replacement we need
 
Taking all of the money and transfer situation out of his, the simple matter is that he is very low in the pecking order. He lost his position to a fecking left back last year. Varane, Martinez, Lindelof, and now Shaw are comfortably all ahead of him. If we just see it in those simple terms, he would have to be very fortunate in terms of players picking up injuries or going through a tremendous loss of form before he is thrown in.

I worry that ETH will want him to undergo some kind of redemption arc and will throw him in to more games. He just isn't the right calibre of player we need going forward. We've moved on. I also can't see him raising his skill level to justify a place in the starting 11.
 
Just came here again after watching a ten minute clip of Maguire doing all kind of clowning accompanied to clown music. I'm now tired of all the laughing. It's honestly Sunday League class. We are paying a pub footballer silly wages and moaning no ones want's him. If they look at the same clip I just watched no one would never ever take him even if they got paid to do it.

I know, I know it's just a clip, but I honestly, I had forgotten how bad it is since he did not play that much last season.

Know I need find another clip...
 
I'd play Bailly over this guy, at lest we can play with a high line.
 
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