So is booing is a viable option now?
Maguire | he stays!
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What the heck just happened? We can’t get rid of this worthless player!
I just hope the club signs Pavard or Tolibo and further relegates Harry in the pecking order. Having him not play even in the Carabao initial rounds.
I just hope the club signs Pavard or Tolibo and further relegates Harry in the pecking order. Having him not play even in the Carabao initial rounds.
And hurt his feelings?
Signing another CB is probably not happening now. We needed that 30m for Maguire.
We can’t just terminate his contract without paying him wages for the length of it. He’s legally entitled to the term he signed for till the expiration of his contract. Players can’t just be sacked. See Phil Jones as evidence.
He’s trying to maximise his earnings, a deal will be done before the end of the window I’m sure but he’s not going to leave any money on the table.
If this is true then why even accept the West Ham bid in the first place? Fecking amateurs
Why won’t the Saudis do us a favour?
Feck sake!
Feck sake!
It would great if he really dig in and fight for his place as he could be a valuable asset. But from his period here he is more likely to wilt from pressure than flourish. All parties loses - him, West Ham and us.
It just doesn’t line up with fact we negotiated with West Ham, then accepted their bid, or the transfer news that personal terms were not a problem and payoff just needed to be finalised. Or the fact that We
Does lineup with a briefing to try and gloss over a messy situation though.
Why do people write caf? Is it an abbreviation for redcafe?
Oh, come on. He's entitled to stay, if he wants to. He can't actually be "forced out" - it's up to him if he wants to go. If he doesn't, then the whole discussion is moot. Everything else is a matter of negotiation, where he'd get whatever United thinks it's worth paying to make the transfer happen.
Also supported by ETHs statements; that it was up to Harry if he wanted to leave or stay to fight for his place. I thought that was oddly bereft of pushing-out-the-door signalling.
The point here is that he would certainly get a much better contract from West Ham now than he will somewhere else in two years, after three seasons on the bench at United.
I think you’re skipping over the fact he would be leaving for a better job. It is not about the money. In either scenario (stay/go) he will make more in a week than most people earn in a year.
Maguire has to choose what he wants to do with his time. If he stays, he is completely wasting his time, money or not. If he loves playing, then he needs to accept the facts, take West Ham’s offer, and get the feck out.
I’d think most people would leave a toxic work environment for a better one even if it meant a pay reduction. He will still be rich. If he leaves he has the chance to revive his career, win the fans over, and play the fecking sport he allegedly loves, maybe even staying in the national team (which I don’t care about).
His contract was given with the expectation he would do a particular job, and he can’t do it anymore, maybe he never could. He was supposed to be great but instead became shit, so he should understand he’s 5th choice because he isn’t good enough, and it doesn’t matter what he was promised. Things changed. In a normal job they’d fire him, give him a severance package, and be done. He’s owed the money if he plays, but he doesn’t play because he has regressed massively and is now a liability.
I hope he rots on the bench.
He's not walking away from anything - we never offered it.
He is demanding the payment. This is on him and solely him. We haven't forced him to ask us for a ridiculous payout.
Cool, maybe in the Jones cupboard and a few games in the reserves might change his attitude by xmas.
The Maguire Defence Force arrived I see.
He's a fraud. You never even refuted my points, just call it childish and move on.
Would love to hear a reasonable defence of him trying to extort the club for £15million when he's ready to jump ship.
Oh, there was me thinking he had a contract with United or something
This is going to push a lot of fans over the edge, he’s going to cop it big time now. I think it will get freaking toxic for him if he doesn't move on and he prevents us bringing in somebody else. He's already very unpopular with the fanbase, but now with this news, if he sticks around holding the club to ransom when he's been sh*t, the fans will really turn on him. Maguire has always been toxic from being given the captaincy which boosted his ego to his back-room politics in the dressing room trying to get Pickford signed. He is a selfish arrogant man. It had begun in the summer of 2020, when he’d resisted arrest on a Greek island after assaulting policemen and saying “do you know who you are talking to?? I’m captain of Man Utd etc”. It was the start of his downfall. If he doesn't leave, give him a No.4 shirt with Jones on it and say to him off to train with the u18s. He’s an 80 million pound mistake. This is a brutal reminder of how not to reward mediocrity.
I’d be surprised if he’s booed at OT. Never seen the crowd be openly hostile to a player (or even a manager, and we’ve had some shit ones recently).
Actually I was surprised to see him on bench while discussions/negotiations are ongoing between the clubs. If it is 100% sure the club wants to get rid of Harry which really looks like, then I would not even place him on bench considering we have already Lindelof. Also the interview from ETH a day after the game gave an indication that he has to fight or to leave, so would not even keep him on bench. This is dragging on and I do not want to have any inconvenience within the team like some years ago with certain players as the atmosphere currently is the best since many years.
Furthermore, I think he thinks of himself more as a player than he actually is. I did not like his narcisstic approach starting with losing the first team selection last year to losing his captaincy, and putting this all on social media acting like a hurt victim. I mean, what did he expect after sitting the whole year on the bench? It is a normal way of handling things, if you do not play, you lose your captaincy and if you do not keep up with the team and are not ready for internal fight to get a starting place, then you should move to a mediocre team. Simple as that. If he stays - because of money obviously and just because of that - and we may not get a replacement and still pay 200k for someone just on the bench, then it will be interesting to see the fans reaction.
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Monday night Maguire looked like he was causing issues in the squad. I’m not a lip reader but when he came out for half time, it looked like he was saying “he could have brought me on for the final time, with all the games I’ve played”. Then when talking to Martinez, it looked like Maguire was told not to speak badly about the manager. Anyone got a clip of this?
We should change his squad number to 99 as he'll now have a lot of problems but the pitch won't be one!
Maybe Woodward can come and fix his feck up. Harry will have a hard couple of years staying.
Turns out Maguire is even slower coming to a career decision than he is at turning and getting the right side of an attacker: quite some feat!
Hard to believe, yes, but it really looks like the club didn’t feel they could get anyone better with the budget available.
It would be an incredible turnaround if he could outcompete Varane for RCB and I don’t expect that to happen but he could recover his form to the point where he does a good job when called on.
It’s not satisfactory imo. EtH has said he wants competition for every position and Maguire is a long way off challenging Varane. This is also the nub of the issue because, to get someone who can put pressure on Varane, we’d need to buy a very good player and the cost would be prohibitive in this window.
It would be an incredible turnaround if he could outcompete Varane for RCB and I don’t expect that to happen but he could recover his form to the point where he does a good job when called on.
It’s not satisfactory imo. EtH has said he wants competition for every position and Maguire is a long way off challenging Varane. This is also the nub of the issue because, to get someone who can put pressure on Varane, we’d need to buy a very good player and the cost would be prohibitive in this window.
He'll still go.
He’s staying for the cash. he knows he’ll get picked for England no matter what. A fecking left back gets picked at cb before you, how would he not get the message.
He will deserve the boos he gets next time he makes a mistake. Fans clearly want him out and he's clearly deluded because he thinks he belongs at this level. We've got about 4 better CBs. He prefers to stay, get paid handsomely and ride the bench.
Could have had £60m for McTom and Maguire. Instead we’re keeping both and their value next season will be half this after a season on the bench. We done the same with Lingard .
Hopefully we can move onto prioritising the midfield signing.
He will deserve the boos he gets next time he makes a mistake. Fans clearly want him out and he's clearly deluded because he thinks he belongs at this level. We've got about 4 better CBs. He prefers to stay, get paid handsomely and ride the bench.
Could have had £60m for McTom and Maguire. Instead we’re keeping both and their value next season will be half this after a season on the bench. We done the same with Lingard .
Hopefully we can move onto prioritising the midfield signing.
The feck are you on about
I think we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t. If we hold out for a decent price and they don’t move then we’re bad at selling. If we sell them for peanuts we’re bad at selling.
Look at Spurs. Hard nosed and stick to their guns. What we’re asking for Maguire and McT is fair, especially after what we paid for Mount. They’re internationals with a few years in them yet. They’ll both benefit from regular game time / being out of the media glare a little.
Only by refusing a transfer and staying. Which, unless he improves to the point of regaining his starters place in the team, will be bad for the club and bad for his career. And there the matter stands, as far as I can see.
Bottom line should be, the notion that he'll regain his place looks like a fairytale. How would that happen? He suddenly gets quick? He inexplicably discovers a previously unsuspected knack for making a crisp, quick and precise forward pass? He's got a secret space in his mind that he can tap into to override the constant, massive feedback from a press and public who overwhelmingly concluded some time ago that he's the walking, talking embodiment of United's limitations in recent years, someone who wasn't so much a building block for a winner as someone who defined the ceiling for an also-ran? Never mind getting back to his previous best levels of performance under Ole, the team is now playing a style that suits him much less well. He'd have to come up with something different and better than previous highs. It's just bleeding obvious that his staying is the wrong decision, for everyone. Hence that outcome reflects badly both on him and on the club.
To my mind, it's much the same with McTominay, but that's on the club who defined him as an important player we'll only sell if we get a really good offer, and put his valuation well above his real worth. As with Maguire, I don't see how anyone could expect United to become a true contender with him in a more than completely marginal role. It's just fundamentally the wrong decision.
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The fact that we've somehow not managed to sell Henderson or Maguire when neither are in the manager's plans and both had suitors shows this club is still not being run particularly well.
Please for your own health, go outside.
What money? If you want to leave you can’t demand your future payments.
If he wants “his money” he has to stay at the club
The problem is the wages we pay. Who, other than elite clubs, can pay Harry Maguire 200k a week? It was madness even giving him that.
Fecking Anthony ten timed his wages coming from Ajax to us. It's mental how we do business and negotiate contracts.
I do not think he will stay, he'll definitely go, that is if he has any hopes of being with England in Euro2024, a lot of good CBs will be emerging and probably excelling that will force Southgate not to select Maguire if he is not starting/playing regularly.
The club will eventually bite the bullet and pay him his 7m to go, which is ok since we are getting a fee of 30M., we can then go and get a replacement.
The club will eventually bite the bullet and pay him his 7m to go, which is ok since we are getting a fee of 30M., we can then go and get a replacement.