Maguire | he stays!

So do you think Sancho or Antony would walk away with no severance pay if we decided to sell them tomorrow to a mid table club where they would have to fit in the wage structure of that club?
Name a transfer where a player gets severance. It only happens on mutual termination of contract. As with Sanchez and Ronaldo.

And no the players can choose to stay at United. If a player choses to join another club via transfer they are not entitled to serverance.

Similarly if your job makes you redundant you get severance. If you get a new job, even on a lower salary you get no severance.

There is a reason the clubs public stance is that they value Maguire as an important member of the squad. If he leaves its his choice and the club owes him nothing,
 
This is ETH's fault too. SAF would have told him he is never going to play again and needs to feck off.

And you think ETH has the same power and influence at the club that SAF used to have? ETH has to say what he has been told to say, he is the clubs YES man when it comes to situations like this.
 
Laporte is levels above maguire.
Or may be the problem also lies on DOF. There must be a reason for the failure of the transfer for the unwanted players. From Henderson, Baily, Maguire to Mctominay. They all failed just because players are greedy?
 
We should just go back to signing players on a 3yr contract with the extra 1yr option for the club....simples.
 
People just want to slag him off. But the guy has realistically 5 years left of his career. Beyond that he has no idea on what he can earn. He is being asked to give up £7m over the course of 2 of those 5 years. Makes no sense unless he really thinks his career will be over at 32.
Or he could leave and go play football while still being handsomely rewarded.
 
I wonder why Maguire does not appear to be of interest to Saudi clubs like City's Laporte is. It wouldn't be because he is not considered to be very good now...would it??!
 
Never said its not fine for him to stay, read the post properly. Cleary I am saying its not ok for him to transfer to a new club and at the same time demand a payout for “money owed”

Why not? The other side of this argument is saying that "Harry should pay us money to play football elsewhere"
 
Maguire through possible bad advice is going to have a very difficult season, he is going to become public enemy number 1 in the eyes of many, he is not going to get hardly any minutes, wreck his England career and have a very difficult time all around.

If he somehow got back into the team he will not win around a section of the fans and everyone will be willing his first big mistake.

Whatever you think of his ability then you can’t on a personal level want that on anyone. I really hope for his mindset that he gets out now so that he can reset. He is finished at Utd.
 
Nah I don't think so. He's probably going to start 10-15 games for us, and come on in 15-20 more. He will still get plenty of time as we don't have that much depth at the back.

He’ll get a hiding from the crowd and lose his England place to Colwill. He’s being an idiot.
 
He’s also far more likely to win trophies at Utd than a shite club like West Ham, though, even if he’s not playing a big part in them. It’s shit, and speaks volumes that he clearly doesn’t care how much he actually plays, but it is another aspect than just the money.

if he stays here he gets a big fat wage and potentially wins more trophies whilst not playing much.
if he goes there he will earn half that wage, probably be in a relegation scrap, and play a lot more.

is it really THAT obvious a move?
He won't have enough appearances to qualify for any trophy we do win. Don't they need 10 full matches in the PL? He managed 6 last time. He's also not leading the defense if we progress to the semis of any cup competition.
 
Why not? The other side of this argument is saying that "Harry should pay us money to play football elsewhere"

Why would Maguire need to pay United? You’ll need to explain that.

At the point Maguire transfers to a new club, he is no longer employed by United. As per the terms of his contract, he is no longer owed any future payments since he has agreed to no longer fulfil his contractual obligations to United.

Maguire is within his rights to refuse a transfer. That is the only way he is entitled to future payments.
 
If money is his issue, hopefully he’ll go Suadi
 
He won't have enough appearances to qualify for any trophy we do win. Don't they need 10 full matches in the PL? He managed 6 last time. He's also not leading the defense if we progress to the semis of any cup competition.
I don’t think that’s a thing anymore is it? Think you just need to be registered in the squad.
 
Seems like we were only going to sell if we could replace him for a similar fee.

He's 4th choice now so wages aside, who cares? We'll barely have to see him play and despite not really being a good fit for our desired future playing style he's still a very good 4th choice center back.
5th choice, we care, he's a terrible fit, and he's barely adequate as 5th choice.
 
Dear Saudi's,

Would like to tell you not to believe everything you read here. Caftards are not very know as knowledgeable when it comes to football. Quite the opposite, not to mention they are very young, teenagers to be exact, and they are jealous of our enormously successful football players like Maguire, Henderson, Bailly, Martial, McTominay, etc. Let me also inform you those players are very popular around the world and will lift popularity of your league in no time. We would be very sad if you would buy them for £300m-£350m, but will also understand your desire to get best of the best and all of the Caf will become fans of the future World greatest league: SA League.
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But he doesn't want the transfer, that's the whole point. The club wants to get rid of him so they have to pay him. He is entitled to demand his salary as it says in the contract.
If they sell him now at least there is a fee invoved. His salary has to be paid either way, because he's happy to stay.

The club thinks that 30m won't get them a replacement, while I think a 4th choice CB can be founf for that money. Maybe even one with a smaller ego and some potential to replace Varane next year.

City paid 15m for Akanji just last year.

If he does not want the transfer he stays as 5th choice as the manager has said.
“The club want to sell him” yes but they are also happy to keep him in the squad.

He does not want the transfer. Again not true, he does but on the condition the club pays him severance. He’d like to be first choice and not lose his England place.

Thats the stance. If he wants to actually leave he’ll get no severance. Its his choice and this is far from being over
 
Maguire is within his rights to refuse a transfer. That is the only way he is entitled to future payments.
...and that's exactly what he does, how is that so hard to understand?!?
He says he has no intention to leave, if you want me gone you have to pay up.

Of course he would like to play elsewhere, but that's called negotiation tactics.
If both parties stand by their position, he'll stay here.
 
Or may be the problem also lies on DOF. There must be a reason for the failure of the transfer for the unwanted players. From Henderson, Baily, Maguire to Mctominay. They all failed just because players are greedy?

No, they failed because they're not very good at football..

It's not as hard to sell someone of laportes quality, even with his injury problems.
 
He won't have enough appearances to qualify for any trophy we do win. Don't they need 10 full matches in the PL? He managed 6 last time. He's also not leading the defense if we progress to the semis of any cup competition.
That was changed in 2011 - 5 is the number now
 
Name a transfer where a player gets severance. It only happens on mutual termination of contract. As with Sanchez and Ronaldo.

And no the players can choose to stay at United. If a player choses to join another club via transfer they are not entitled to serverance.

Similarly if your job makes you redundant you get severance. If you get a new job, even on a lower salary you get no severance.

There is a reason the clubs public stance is that they value Maguire as an important member of the squad. If he leaves its his choice and the club owes him nothing,
Have you not worked out that he does not want to leave?
 
He won't have enough appearances to qualify for any trophy we do win. Don't they need 10 full matches in the PL? He managed 6 last time. He's also not leading the defense if we progress to the semis of any cup competition.
The 10 appearances requirement has been scrapped and he appeared in 16 games for us last season anyway. It was never about ‘full’ games anyway.

He is a couple injuries away from being a starter. Varane is quite injury prone so it’s really about either Martinez or Lindelof being injured at the same time.
 
...and that's exactly what he does, how is that so hard to understand?!?
He says he has no intention to leave, if you want me gone you have to pay up.

Of course he would like to play elsewhere, but that's called negotiation tactics.
If both parties stand by their position, he'll stay here.
Not exactly. He wants to receive double wages from both clubs essentially.
If he doesn’t want to leave then we should freeze him until he changes his mind.

I wouldn’t pay his full wages to leave as this creates dangerous precedent. If he wants the pay check - ok, but it means no match practice.
 
Dear Saudi's,

Would like to tell you not to believe everything you read here. Caftards are not very know as knowledgeable when it comes to football. Quite the opposite, not to mention they are very young, teenagers to be exact, and they are jealous of our enormously successful football players like Maguire, Henderson, Bailly, Martial, McTominay, etc. Let me also inform you those players are very popular around the world and will lift popularity of your league in no time. We would be very sad if you would buy them for £300m-£350m, but will also understand your desire to get best of the best and all of the Caf will become fans of the future World greatest league: SA League.

Get the contact details of that guy who made that Michael Owen brochure.
 
If it was "simples" why isn't everyone doing that?
Because clubs cave into agents and players demands...if a few of the bigger ones stopped doing it then others may follow suit.
While it continues clubs can be stuck with a rapidly diminished asset for 4-5 yrs so it is in their interest to change it.
 
The 10 appearances requirement has been scrapped and he appeared in 16 games for us last season anyway. It was never about ‘full’ games anyway.

He is a couple injuries away from being a starter. Varane is quite injury prone so it’s really about either Martinez or Lindelof being injured at the same time.
And Lindelof has a long-term back problem
 
I don’t think that’s a thing anymore is it? Think you just need to be registered in the squad.

That was changed in 2011 - 5 is the number now
The 10 appearances requirement has been scrapped and he appeared in 16 games for us last season anyway. It was never about ‘full’ games anyway.

He is a couple injuries away from being a starter. Varane is quite injury prone so it’s really about either Martinez or Lindelof being injured at the same time.
Bunch of killjoys, all of you.
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Because clubs cave into agents and players demands...if a few of the bigger ones stopped doing it then others may follow suit.
While it continues clubs can be stuck with a rapidly diminished asset for 4-5 yrs so it is in their interest to change it.
FFP plays a part but it's swings and roundabouts, it's harder to get rid of the ones you want to get rid of with longer contacts but it also makes it harder to keep the ones you do want to if they're on shorter contracts
 
FFP plays a part but it's swings and roundabouts, it's harder to get rid of the ones you want to get rid of with longer contacts but it also makes it harder to keep the ones you do want to if they're on shorter contracts
They could offer another 3yr contract to a player in their 2nd year if th player is performing because offering these 5-6 yr contracts from the outset is madness IMO
 
“Toughest opponent i’ve ever faced” - David de Gea


I had completely forgotten that blue shirt with yellow shorts kit. Half these moments feel like a lifetime ago. Some of the incidents I don't blame him for, like the two deflected goals, but beyond those it's a telling compilation.