Question is when this is going to end? Every outgoing player will start demanding the same.
Maguire | he stays!
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If he is sold, the write off is the book value (£26m) less the sale proceeds (say £23m after his payoff). So the net write off is £3m.
If he is kept there is a £13m amortisation cost.
So the charge to our accounts this year would be £10m more if he is kept than if he is sold (before even taking his wages in to account which would be another £11m+).
Was expected as ten Hags comments the other day. Oh well.
Hmm seems like damage limitation now. Ten Hag does not see him as an important player. That's absolute PR guff.
One of the biggest career nosedives I can recall. It’s actually very sad to see he’s happy to be 4/5th maybe 6th choice cb and hope he will retain an England career
I hope the cnut is booed into oblivion and never played absolutely sick of him being around and in turn harming the quality of the squad.
Now we loose out on a potentially decent right sided defender.
Boo the bastard until he leaves we have two weeks.
Now we loose out on a potentially decent right sided defender.
Boo the bastard until he leaves we have two weeks.
Any charges from Greece that can be reopened?
It was £60m. They bid 30 for each.
The fans were singing his name last night. I don't think he'll be booed for wanting to stay, maybe if he starts making errors then he'll get some stick.
It will end when we stop giving out moronic contracts.
I’d demand exactly the same in his situation. You want me to leave? Fine I will but make sure I’m paid what I would have earned if I had stayed.
Not unreasonable in my view.
Feck this guy. I blame Southgate who will still pick him even though he's 5th choice here.
I think they offered £60M for both. Should have used some of that to pay off Maguire, and then immediately jettison both. It would have left us with £50M and then some. Shift Donny and Williams and it would be enough to buy Todibo and Amrabat, or someone else. Get some actually useful players in their place.
I haven't read that about Licha. That's ridiculous. There is no need to give him a new contract. ETH seemed desperate for both players. I don't get Mount at all. I don't know enough about Hojlund to say much. Hopefully he will come good. Maguire isn't really on the club. He doesn't want to leave. I would have sold McTominay for the £30m that was offered. Chances of us ever getting a better offer are slim. We will regret turning it down.
Scouting is a huge concern. We're just buying players that ETH has managed or seen play in the Dutch league. I still believe getting rid of Woodward was a positive. We have done transfer business earlier than we usually do in a long time. Even if the fees were a bit inflated.
We thought he was leaving.
Needs audible loud boos , I’m sorry I don’t like booing so much it’s distasteful but if the club and hierarchy are so out of touch then we need to let it be known as well as the player.
We are not a charity, he earns silly money and is absolutely useless.
Hammer him till he leaves.
Guy I responded to said 50M but the point still stands that we are not getting quality replacements at those prices so why force a sale.
Well, it's our mess and we didn't quite manage to clean it up. Not sure fault can be attached to the player for not conveniently moving aside to his own financial detriment. As long as he gets on with his job to the best of his ability we just have to accept we made a huge mistake with Maguire. Booing him etc is only going to be self defeating.
it is the consequence and price to pay for
1. Bad scouting
or
2. Change of manager, and then change of tactics.
or
3. Player lost form, like Sanchez. (it is just pure bad luck sometimes)
Like many have said before Maguire is still a good player for England which doesn't play a high line, and that's why west ham is interested in his service.
Oh look there's been an update and new information since I posted. Imagine that.
Sure. Not unreasonable. But not unreasonable also that we make an example of you and stop you from playing. Nothing in contract suggest that Maguire should be playing.
Its not like he is going to earn peanuts. 70k per week drop aligns with his recent performance. Maybe he should think why nobody is paying him that money. He can stay and let his career go down for few extra millions on top multiple millions he already has. Would instantly validate the decision of the club to dump him
Amrabat is quoted at 25m pounds, Pavard around 30-35 at most. Both are better.
City got the same for two youth players with almost no first-team minutes to their name as we got for Fred, a Brazilian international.
Everyone is offering us Game store prices.
Who said 80k? Even if he only gets 20k/week he will likely come out ahead vs. forgoing 50% of his salary for 2 years. He is making the smart and right decision.
Anyway looks like ETH wants him so the vitriol he is receiving for his "decision" is misplaced. The club created this scenario and need to love with the consequences of their own decisions.
I'm not too sure about that anymore. With all the attention the Maguire saga has created it will put Southgate in a very embarrassing position.
The press will hound him relentlessly if he carries on playing him when he isn't a regular starter.
Agree entirely.
We made a mistake and cannot blame the player for sticking to the terms of his contract and sitting it out.
I'm not sure it's very productive to linger too much on it now. Maybe another offer comes this summer (doubt it but heh who knows). He'll be easier to move next year -at a reduced fee-.
I'd rather he was out and replaced this year but what can you do. From the little we really know about all this, I'm not sure I understand the stance of the club.
I'd rather he was out and replaced this year but what can you do. From the little we really know about all this, I'm not sure I understand the stance of the club.
If we made a mistake we made a mistake years ago. In that time city and Chelsea have blew about 10x what we blew. City signed about 5 defenders for 50-60m and just forgot about them and nobody seems to care. People act like this should hang over us forever for some reason but it is just out of touch with football today... The money we spent on a squad player years ago is absolutely irrelevant today
Maybe they offer £20 million again and the extra £5-10 million they would've spent on the fee gets structured into his wages instead.
I'm grasping at straws.
I'm grasping at straws.
Harry has a decision to make about £7m and his future England career.
Which is worth more?
If he stays he’ll be mocked relentlessly, most likely lose his England place, but he’ll trouser an extra £7m.
It’s his decision at this point unless we budge, which I think we should, but don’t think we will.
He's really unlikeable character. The greed he's shown in staying 5th choice only driven by money, complete lack of ambition in thinking that west ham is below him, being sorted for life and still holding us to a settlement.
I don't believe in booing our player but there is no way that as a fan I can bring myself to like him as a player and a professional.
I don't believe in booing our player but there is no way that as a fan I can bring myself to like him as a player and a professional.
Somebody is paying him "that" money though. For another 2 years as well. That's a lot of cash to give up and get paid less.
He isn’t being (and shouldn't be) forced to take a pay cut under any circumstances. That is a decision he has the right to make. If I were in his shoes, I would probably do the same thing if I’m thinking of securing the most amount of money for my and my family’s future. Assuming I’m not playing for my beloved team, of course. Of course. Sure, my wife and kids won’t starve without the 7 millions, but if I want only the best things money can buy for them and for myself, then it makes sense to not give up on that.
So what if Slabhead doesn’t mind soaking up all the vitriol from the fans and the press while his hands are superglued cupping his ears the whole time? What if he’s ready to warm the bench and miss out on not winning anything with England for at least the next two years or so? If he wants to handle it then there’s not much I could blame him for. Speaking of blame, I think the club should shoulder the burden of it on this one due to the ridiculous wages we’ve offered him.
I do feel for us fans though, because we (alright, mostly, you) are paying for this this man’s lavish lifestyle. It’s like getting a tv subscription because you want to watch the crême de la crême football has to offer, but also having to pay for channels you’ll watch only when high or drunk, or if reincarnated as house cat, or something. He’s basically the shopping channel among footballers. It’s unfair, but we can’t do much about it. Them Glazers are rich enough to inject those 7 millions into the club, but we know they don’t do that. Maybe we could have gotten West Ham to pay for the wall of a defender he is?
Anyway, I wonder if this will set the precedent of players who are reluctant to move asking to be paid a fee by the selling club. Slippery slope fallacy?
So what if Slabhead doesn’t mind soaking up all the vitriol from the fans and the press while his hands are superglued cupping his ears the whole time? What if he’s ready to warm the bench and miss out on not winning anything with England for at least the next two years or so? If he wants to handle it then there’s not much I could blame him for. Speaking of blame, I think the club should shoulder the burden of it on this one due to the ridiculous wages we’ve offered him.
I do feel for us fans though, because we (alright, mostly, you) are paying for this this man’s lavish lifestyle. It’s like getting a tv subscription because you want to watch the crême de la crême football has to offer, but also having to pay for channels you’ll watch only when high or drunk, or if reincarnated as house cat, or something. He’s basically the shopping channel among footballers. It’s unfair, but we can’t do much about it. Them Glazers are rich enough to inject those 7 millions into the club, but we know they don’t do that. Maybe we could have gotten West Ham to pay for the wall of a defender he is?
Anyway, I wonder if this will set the precedent of players who are reluctant to move asking to be paid a fee by the selling club. Slippery slope fallacy?
This is more or less how I see it too. Granted, he's not needed by us, but he's under no moral obligation to just lose out on millions he would otherwise be entitled to.
New owners could have quickly nipped this in the bud but we’re stuck with the gremlins from Florida pennypinching.
Amrabat has been quoted at various prices but the brief all along has been that he is the replacement for Fred and Donny once those deals are done, we will see if that is what happens. Bayern slapped a 50M tag on Pavard over the weekend and at that price we would not have had anywhere near enough money from the Maguire sale to bring him in.
Just get Pavard and play Maguire in the reserves
Fair play to the lad if that's what he wants to do, we only have ourselves to blame by giving him so much for so long.
Honestly thought he'd take the lure of being a regular starter for a decent premier league club, but obviously he values getting the remainder of his contract above it.
Hopefully he's left to rue the decision and finds himself out in the cold and out of the England squad come summer, I say that purely out of spite, but it probably will be of benefit to us he has a good euros in the eventuality he finally decides to leave.
Honestly thought he'd take the lure of being a regular starter for a decent premier league club, but obviously he values getting the remainder of his contract above it.
Hopefully he's left to rue the decision and finds himself out in the cold and out of the England squad come summer, I say that purely out of spite, but it probably will be of benefit to us he has a good euros in the eventuality he finally decides to leave.
I really don't understand what the fuss is about for the payout. Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Mesut Ozil, Shkodran Mustafi and Sead Kolasinac have all been paid to leave the Emirates in the past three years. Pepe will be next.
What is the point you're making within all this? It's not about whether it's "hanging over us" in some metaphorical sense, it is the financial element that was the problem which comes back to the original decision making.
I'm not sure what your point is about City.