Maguire | he stays!

Fridge chutney said:
Your calculus doesn't make sense. You think he will earn more as a 34 year old than as a 32 year old? That is highly doubtful. Even then, he will have earned as much by 32 if he remains on his current contract as he would do on West Ham's offer by 34 years old, so under no circumstance should he walk away from his contract unless United make up the difference. That is objectively the correct financial decision.
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At 34 with regular playing time compared to 32 with no playing time for 2 years? Yes I think the former option would be better for the buying club. Besides if he’s good at WH he might get an extension to very similar terms to the 100k he’d be on.
If he warmed the bench for 2 years who will objectively take 32 years old Maguire on their roster?
The difference is that Maguire has to put up the work during those three - four years to keep the level he is at. If he has doubts - yes just banking it up and retire at 32 is the safer bet.
 
Will provide competition for Jonny Evans while also being useful as a threat to the likes of Varane and Onana if they drop below the required level.

"Play like that again and I'm getting the Harry out"
 
Enigma_87 said:
At 34 with regular playing time compared to 32 with no playing time for 2 years? Yes I think the former option would be better for the buying club. Besides if he’s good at WH he might get an extension to very similar terms to the 100k he’d be on.
If he warmed the bench for 2 years who will objectively take 32 years old Maguire on their roster?
The difference is that Maguire has to put up the work during those three - four years to keep the level he is at. If he has doubts - yes just banking it up and retire at 32 is the safer bet.
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I would say that would be the safer bet. Why give up something he has on his hand for the money he may earn in the future? It makes no sense unless he is a young player looking for game time to develop.

The deal is off for now. There is still 2 weeks left in the window and anything can happen.
 
JagUTD said:
Will provide competition for Jonny Evans while also being useful as a threat to the likes of Varane and Onana if they drop below the required level.

"Play like that again and I'm getting the Harry out"
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Which is followed by a burst in laughter from all involved in the discussion
 
Enigma_87 said:
At 34 with regular playing time compared to 32 with no playing time for 2 years? Yes I think the former option would be better for the buying club. Besides if he’s good at WH he might get an extension to very similar terms to the 100k he’d be on.
If he warmed the bench for 2 years who will objectively take 32 years old Maguire on their roster?
The difference is that Maguire has to put up the work during those three - four years to keep the level he is at. If he has doubts - yes just banking it up and retire at 32 is the safer bet.
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He's not going to have no playing time though, is he? He played 800 premier league minutes last year and featured in 16 games, starting 8. He featured in 31 games for us across all comps and started in 15 or 16. If he is available, then ETH will use him. If not, he can reassess next year and negotiate an exit.

It makes no sense for him to leave money on the table.
 
People just want to slag him off. But the guy has realistically 5 years left of his career. Beyond that he has no idea on what he can earn. He is being asked to give up £7m over the course of 2 of those 5 years. Makes no sense unless he really thinks his career will be over at 32.
 
If it's true that Ten Hag is happy to have him as a squad player fighting for his place, then he's probably the one to be annoyed at. Hard to blame a player for staying at a bigger club that are in 4 comps and making more money.
 
Hope he's included in the match day squad so the fans can tell him what we think of this greedy feck. Should be brought on in the final few minutes so he gets the message.

Twat of a man.

Honestly been a long time since I've hated a United player, probably Di Maria.
 
RedSky said:
Hope he's included in the match day squad so the fans can tell him what we think of this greedy feck. Should be brought on in the final few minutes so he gets the message.

Twat of a man.
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Why is he greedy?
 
Dec9003 said:
Why is he greedy?
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Its clear he's done at United. He's only staying here to get the money. Any player with the slightest bit of self respect would leave when he's been replaced as first choice, replaced as club captain, booed by fans on a constant basis.

What reason is there other than money for him to stay at United.
 
Dec9003 said:
If it's true that Ten Hag is happy to have him as a squad player fighting for his place, then he's probably the one to be annoyed at. Hard to blame a player for staying at a bigger club that are in 4 comps and making more money.
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Thats just PR, he brought in Jonny Evans on preseason. He sat on his arse for a season and seems happy to do it again. Guy told us he has nothing to prove
 
It really is baffling that a professional footballer would rather sit on the bench all season as 5th choice than actually play football at a premier league level club. Not least, the guy is very unpopular at his current club and he must be aware of that, bizarre that he's so desperate to play for a bunch of fans who can't wait to see the back of him. From what we read in the media there was a dressing room mutiny in Ole's last season about how Maguire was such an undeserved captain, so he's not even popular amongst team mates.

If ETH has given Maguire any encouragement that he actually rates him and he'll get significant games, it's on him. From the moment last season ended he should be making it abundantly clear that he's not in his plans in the slightest, and if we'd have been blunt and harsh we'd likely have seen the back of him by now.
 
RedSky said:
Its clear he's done at United. He's only staying here to get the money. Any player with the slightest bit of self respect would leave when he's been replaced as first choice, replaced as club captain, booed by fans on a constant basis.

What reason is there other than money for him to stay at United.
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I didn’t like his getting booed but now I’ll have no sympathy, particularly if this prevents us signing more players.
 
Wish he was going but some of the reactions are well OTT here. If you want to be annoyed at someone, get annoyed at the chumps that gave him this contract. I think many of those slagging him off as greedy would probably do exactly the same in his position. I know I would.
 
rimaldo said:
harry should be strapped down to the massage table. he should then have his training kit removed. his balls should then be covered in hot wax. rats should then be dropped at his feet to eat up small bits of offal from between his toes. his nipples should be crocodile clamped and tethered to the floor. he’ll cry out the safe word “large pay-off! large pay-off!” but his cries will be ignored.
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Feck's sake :lol:
 
RedSky said:
Its clear he's done at United. He's only staying here to get the money. Any player with the slightest bit of self respect would leave when he's been replaced as first choice, replaced as club captain, booed by fans on a constant basis.

What reason is there other than money for him to stay at United.
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From what I've read, ETH is happy to still have him and he will be a squad player. Given the amount of matches we tend to play and the injury record for our centre backs he'll probably play decent minutes if he stays. I don't think he is boo'd on a constant basis, he's better supported at OT than he is in America on pre-season.

Jacob said:
Because he sacrifices critical years of his career and a spot inte the England squad for Euros 2024 to be richer than rich.
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I guess, but so far he's always been in the England squad, and I can't see that changing. He'll get enough minutes to probably justify his place to Southgate.


Ultimately he signed a contract at United, if he want's to stay and honour it I think it's harsh to say he's greedy, especially if the manager is saying he isn't finished with him.
 
Dec9003 said:
If it's true that Ten Hag is happy to have him as a squad player fighting for his place, then he's probably the one to be annoyed at. Hard to blame a player for staying at a bigger club that are in 4 comps and making more money.
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He has spoke up similarly about other players shortly after let go, but I agree soemwhat with the sentiment. The club should be telling him he isnt part of the plans, because:

1) If he is, that is madness
2) He really may be that deluded pssibly from encouragement he has a part to play here
3) If he is being greedy, he is just staying though greed

If e go back to the beginning of the summer and seveal threads of what we need, centre back options......let the thought just sink in, that 3months later, here we are with the possibility that Maguire will still be here and our only centre back reinforcement is Johnny Evans.

Madness, cb is one of our pririty squad upgrades and we saw it again last night. People said Martinez didnt have a great game, he was ok whilst on, think people think too much of the booking....for me the drop of when Lindelof came on was pretty evident both in terms of defensively and possesion.

We really should be literally forcing him out the door and paying him off if need be. For me I think we have made potentially a good golakeeping signing and potentially a monster centre forward one. Will be interestin gto see our midfield this season as not judging after one game, but personalyl didnt see Moutn as the right signing....so I am still concerned about our midfield....but no cb signing, would be a big mistake
 
clarkydaz said:
Thats just PR, he brought in Jonny Evans on preseason. He sat on his arse for a season and seems happy to do it again. Guy told us he has nothing to prove
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Jonny mostly went with the kids though I think didn't he? According to transfermarkt he played 31 matches last season with a total of 1593 minutes, maybe he is happy enough with similar numbers again.
 
jesperjaap said:
He has spoke up similarly about other players shortly after let go, but I agree soemwhat with the sentiment. The club should be telling him he isnt part of the plans, because:

1) If he is, that is madness
2) He really may be that deluded pssibly from encouragement he has a part to play here
3) If he is being greedy, he is just staying though greed

If e go back to the beginning of the summer and seveal threads of what we need, centre back options......let the thought just sink in, that 3months later, here we are with the possibility that Maguire will still be here and our only centre back reinforcement is Johnny Evans.

Madness, cb is one of our pririty squad upgrades and we saw it again last night. People said Martinez didnt have a great game, he was ok whilst on, think people think too much of the booking....for me the drop of when Lindelof came on was pretty evident both in terms of defensively and possesion.

We really should be literally forcing him out the door and paying him off if need be. For me I think we have made potentially a good golakeeping signing and potentially a monster centre forward one. Will be interestin gto see our midfield this season as not judging after one game, but personalyl didnt see Moutn as the right signing....so I am still concerned about our midfield....but no cb signing, would be a big mistake
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We should be forcing him out the door, yeah. ETH should have told him he has no place and not included him in the squad yesterday. I know he has said one thing and done another in the media with other players, but to me it doesn't seem that way with Maguire.
 
The meltdown posts because we probably aren't swapping one '5th choice' CB for another one are quite something.
 
This is an example to all who are delusional about our recruitment staff. They are garbage.
 
TheLord said:
Maybe the England career no longer excites him. He will be 31 by then and probably not be a starter for England whether or not he plays regular football henceforth.
People are making too much of the England role to convince themselves that Maguire should leave for West Ham.
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I mean that's possible but not plausible, there's quite a few ubderlying assumptions required for that to be the case. Essentially Maguire would need to have zero career aspirations left and his sole motivation to be making money. Which isn't impossible, but there are several other factors and motivations such as pride, his England career, enjoyment of playing, moving on from a negative and sometimes hostile environment at United where he has become a figure of ridicule, or wanting to prove a point to his doubters. Unless he flat out refuses to ever move and runs his contract down, it's a bits outlandish to assume he doesn't care about any of those factors and only cares about money. Secondly, he'd have a good chance of starting for England if he had a good season for West Ham or siniliar. Only Stones is a certainty at CB for England at the moment, and Maguire is still the other first choice CB currently despite being a bench player under ETH although that won't last for ever.
 
He knows Varane is made of glass and he will get games here.

He’s probably going to play the same amount of games as last year, while collecting his huge salary and retaining his England position for the euros.
 
Dec9003 said:
Jonny mostly went with the kids though I think didn't he? According to transfermarkt he played 31 matches last season with a total of 1593 minutes, maybe he is happy enough with similar numbers again.
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Im genuinely staggered he is still here.
Dropped for a season
Captaincy removed
club accepted a fee for him to be sold
Sale falls through so club have to big him up

im not sure what else ETH is supposed to do.
 
Fridge chutney said:
He's not going to have no playing time though, is he? He played 800 premier league minutes last year and featured in 16 games, starting 8. He featured in 31 games for us across all comps and started in 15 or 16. If he is available, then ETH will use him. If not, he can reassess next year and negotiate an exit.

It makes no sense for him to leave money on the table.
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Depends on ten Hag. Currently he’s like the 5th option at CB. If there are no injuries he won’t get a sniff.

Last year we had injuries and suspensions and he totalled 750mins in PL which accounts for about 8 full games.

the year before in comparison he clocked 2500 mins - more than 3 times the minutes.

so far he has been stripped out of captaincy, had an offer accepted to move away, so it’s pretty much safe to say the manager isn’t exactly fond of him or thinking he can rebound.
 
clarkydaz said:
Im genuinely staggered he is still here.
Dropped for a season
Captaincy removed
club accepted a fee for him to be sold
Sale falls through so club have to big him up

im not sure what else ETH is supposed to do.
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Completely freeze him out the squad, I wouldn't have had him warming up yesterday if I our manager and I wanted him gone. For all we know he could've said he has no place, but from what I've seen it's not what's being reported, and it isn't what seems to be happening.
 
baskinginthesun said:
Somebody is paying him "that" money though. For another 2 years as well. That's a lot of cash to give up and get paid less.
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We are paying him for sure as we are contractually required to do so. But question Maguire should be asking if 7m is worth more than his rest of playing career. If yes then he is fully entitled to do so.

My only argument is, dont pay up and take financial loss this time. If a player is ready to throw their career for few millions then we recruited poorly. But atleast player understand that they wont get pay off and will be paid as they perform even if they have a contract. Its a business and not a charity. If Maguire was playing well then west ham would have paid him what he earns at United. We made it clear to him we dont want him to stay. Now he has to see what options he has and should he take financial hit to find a workplace again. We all had to do this in our careers at a smaller scale. If we pay him off, then players will know they are safe regardless of their performance and will get a payoff even if they move. I say take a hit this time and send a message across that this wont be happening anymore
 
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