Maguire | he stays!

Yeah the ETH comments this week were abit weird and suggested or at least led the player to believe he should stay and fight for his place if he were a real man! Backfired spectacularly
Or were those eth comments just because he new the deal was going sour. If not then those comments were very odd
 
Him staying directly impacts the chances of us bringing anyone else in so can't say this is great news at all.

We certainly need a defensive midfielder for one thing which we will be unlikely to do now

Amrabat or A.N.Other has always been tied to Fred and Donny leaving and is unrelated to Harry or Scott for that matter. Fred is gone and we are still working on getting Donny out so I do still expect something to happen with the midfield but any notion of defensive recruits or an experienced striker to rotate with The Rasmus are dead in the water.
 
Who said he rejected WH? All reports say that he hasn’t spoken with them yet because United didn’t progress the sell quickly enough

Then how does he ask for a compensation? He must have spoken with WH so to calculate an amount. To be more precise, he didn't reject WH, he rejected the transfer.
 
To be fair, if it's true Moyes hasn't spoken to him all this time then that's on West Ham. If it wasn't true I expect West Ham/Moyes to say otherwise but it if it is, it does imply he may not have actually felt that wanted there (either)
Hard to believe clubs don't do the ground work with the players and their agents before they submitted the bid these days.
 
I think Pavard is in 100k/week EUR. And the French kid we have been linked is probably in sub-20k/week.

In general, most other big clubs pay their star players more than us, but United pays average players more than any other club. I kinda understand Sancho in 350k/week cause he was supposed to be one of the top young players and our talisman (albeit we could have offered half that and he would have signed), but we have Maguire in 190k, Henderson in 120k and my favorite, Brandon Williams is somehow in 65k/week when he probably would struggle to get 6.5K/week at any other club.

Ah, cheers. I was looking at Varane's wages and thinking Pavard could probably pretend somewhere around Maguire's level... But maybe he could have settled for a little less.
 
Even if he had of agreed to go it doesn’t sound like we had funds to bring a replacement in. Unless we sell Mctominay looks like might not be any more signings.

It’s all a big mess, everyone knows club don’t want him and that he wanted money to leave. Maguire might be about to waste two years of his career as finances might make even less sense next summer.
 
I don't have instagram so can't see his activity but simply using that as an example, you earn about £200k per 1m followers you have from brand posts at the upper end. I googled him and he's got 5m, for a reference point John Stones (a better, more marketable and more successful player) has half of that. United is a monster of a brand. It's kind of sickening when you think about it, when footballers go on holiday they'll likely pay for the holiday 5x over simply by sharing a pic of the hotel - if you play for the massive clubs like United, Barca, Real etc. you are at the top of the pecking order.
That’s not exactly how it works. I’ve scoured through some of his posts advertising puma and his engagement is lower compared to posts with United winning stuff or playing with the first team. Average engagement rate is 1-2% which amounts for about 10-20k per post if we’re going by market rate in sports industry and below 5% engagement rate.

no sane sponsor will pay 200k per post they are not insane. They also got burned in the past by hollow accounts and they is taken in mind when paying pro athletes. Facebook / instagram unlike Google is not through intermediaries and sponsors directly go with the athlete or his agency.

as for hotels they will likely accept you for free and give out compliments but rarely pay you per post unless you are the elite in your sphere like CR, Neymar, Messi or influencers like Odintsova, D’Amello sisters, Rae, Pons etc.
 
Ten Hag seems to think he can come back into favour and Maguire has accepted the challenge.

I mean, it's possible, right? Maybe?

Let’s up the ante, how about McT, Maguire and Henderson all returning to the starting 11. Unbelievable that all 3 are set to stay,
 
Why would he go? Especially after seeing Jones at the club for 10 years doing nothing. I wouldn't go.
 
What an absolutely pathetic outcome. I hope he doesn’t play at all this season with Utd and loses his place for the Euros.
 
His arrogance strikes again. How can you be settled and love this club acting like he’s a regular. You’re not playing anymore. Just leave you fcuking piece of cement.
 
Ah, cheers. I was looking at Varane's wages and thinking Pavard could probably pretend somewhere around Maguire's level... But maybe he could have settled for a little less.
We probably would have given that to be fair, cause is is a World Cup winner yadda yadda.

I still think that we signed Maguire for a world record, just so Woody can brag that it is a world record, more than Van Dijk etc. We are a very insecure club.
 
McT will end the season with at leave 30 appearances, I have no doubt about that.

Mctominay will get plenty of games definitely and I'm not that bothered about that. He has his uses when used properly.

Maguire won't get many though, we don't even have the EL this season where we can play him and it doesn't really matter. He made 6 starts in the League after he was dropped following the Brentford 4-0 defeat on the 2nd matchday. I think he'll struggle to make even that many this season unless there's a big injury crisis. He's 5th choice.
 
We probably would have given that to be fair, cause is is a World Cup winner yadda yadda.

I still think that we signed Maguire for a world record, just so Woody can brag that it is a world record, more than Van Dijk etc. We are a very insecure club.
Woodward did so much damage to this club. It's going to take a long time to recover properly.
 
So, from £50M, we are going to get zero? Masterclass.

Well the 50M was for Harry and Scott. Had we taken it we still would have needed to payoff Maguire at least so reduce that to 43M at best and then we need to sign another CB and CM with the remaining funds. I am fairly sure ETH will have looked at what is out there and the prices being quoted and realized he was better off sticking with what he had.
 
Woodward did so much damage to this club. It's going to take a long time to recover properly.
I do not think much has changed since then to be fair. There are already talks to give Lisandro a new contract despite that he has another 4 years (plus an option for an extra year) on his current contract. And we just got screwed by both Chelsea and Atalanta in overpaying for Mount and Hojlund. While not being able to sell Maguire and McTominay despite having decent bids for them. And proclaimed that we did all those changes to the scouting system, only for the players we sign to be handpicked by the manager.
 
We probably would have given that to be fair, cause is is a World Cup winner yadda yadda.

I still think that we signed Maguire for a world record, just so Woody can brag that it is a world record, more than Van Dijk etc. We are a very insecure club.

Not to repeat myself but have noticed, while discussing in that thread, that Lucas Hernandez and de Ligt both were moved for 80m€ the same year, in July... Wonder if Woodward felt obligated to buy a CB for that price too.
 
We (the club) painted ourselves into this particular corner and I’ve no beef with Harry for staying put if it’s not worth his while.
Should and hopefully will be a lesson that we will learn from in the future.
If it was up to me swallow the £7m hit and move on, I’d be surprised if West Ham come back with a better offer and if they don’t we are the ones that lose out.
 
He gets no credit for wanting to stay and fight for his place?
But we know he's not staying for that. He knows that too.

Same way Lingard didn't get credit for hanging for a season after his West Ham spell. Both knew they were finished here, both had open doors to first team football and £100,000+ a week contracts at West Ham but both chose to sit out the bigger contract at United.

Fair enough, they're entitled to the money but most United fans won't feel any sympathy for them or admire them for "fighting."
 
I would appreciate if we take the financial hit this time ( we have a lot of financial blunders which dwarfs this one anyway) and keep him out of the squad as much as possible. Atleast next time player will know that they arent going to get pay off for poor performance
 
The next time he gives the ball away for a goal he better have a rocket that will launch him to the moon. :lol:
 
The noises about not having enough time is the sort of classic bollocks we’ve not had to deal with this summer. What a load of shit.

Quite an unbelievable quote considering it was clear to everyone since October last year he wasn't part of the plan.
 
We (the club) painted ourselves into this particular corner and I’ve no beef with Harry for staying put if it’s not worth his while.
Should and hopefully will be a lesson that we will learn from in the future.
If it was up to me swallow the £7m hit and move on, I’d be surprised if West Ham come back with a better offer and if they don’t we are the ones that lose out.
Most cases in this scenario, club will take the 30m transfer fee, and save 20m-7m = 13m in wages, and the player can play elsewhere with a tactic that suits his strength, and the player can play regularly and keeps his NT spot, a win win situation. However in this case Utd chose the other path.