Maguire | he stays!

Frustrating. I'm sure many of us would do the same in his shoes, but it doesn't make it any less annoying.

Him hanging around on the bench for another season just seems like a bad idea all around.
 
Extremely disappointing. You just know he will cost us again this season when we need to rotate.
 
pratyush_utd said:
Maguire negotiated a contract with West Ham who dont value him at the same level. He is only entitled to get that extra money if he stays. There is no legal binding aspect here that United should compensate him for his failure and consequently poor evaluation from his future employer.

If he doesn’t want to let go off the money, let him stay and rot in reserve. Many players move on with reduction in salary as their worth decreases. United needs to take the financial hit and remind all players that this isn’t charity. If you don't perform on the level of your contract, then you wont be compensated on leaving.
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While I agree with your statement, I hope we are not the kind of club that punishes players by throwing them on the reserve team.

Not so long ago, he was our captain and played in every match available. I assumed he was a professional lad. For that reason alone, he deserves his place on the first team.
 
He is owed the money his contract is a fixed term one therfore if the club terminate or want to move him on before he is satisfied they need to give him the money owed for the term of the contract, the same contract allows us to keep him and get a transfer fee as well if we move him on.
 
Enigma_87 said:
They are not entitled for future salary ffs.

if I was in his shoes I’d want to play and not be a constant meme and hated even from the own fans.
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He's entitled to stay and get paid as per his contract so he is entitled to that money. If we want to get rid of him, he doesn't want to go and the pay cut is massive he's right to ask for a sweetener. I'd think less of him if he didn't.

Are you telling me you'd go to a lesser team with half the wages? You'd just suck it up, would you?
 
pratyush_utd said:
Maguire negotiated a contract with West Ham who dont value him at the same level. He is only entitled to get that extra money if he stays. There is no legal binding aspect here that United should compensate him for his failure and consequently poor evaluation from his future employer.

If he doesn’t want to let go off the money, let him stay and rot in reserve. Many players move on with reduction in salary as their worth decreases. United needs to take the financial hit and remind all players that this isn’t charity. If you dont perform on the level of your contract, then you wont be compensated on leaving.
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Of course there’s no rule that we have to compensate him. But if he stays, it’s our loss as well as his.
That’s why We have to come to a compromise on how much we pay him.
 
Withnail said:
That's the message. He's last in the pecking order, he's actually 5th choice behind Shaw when Malacia is available.
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That's the thing though. Our back line is fairly injury prone. He will be needed at some point during the season, unfortunately. As much as I don't like it, there is a reason he's able to sit on the bench instead of being pushed into the reserves. He will play at some point.

This is probably why he's able to negotiate the remainder of his contract.
 
Scorpy said:
Extremely disappointing. You just know he will cost us again this season when we need to rotate.
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There are limits to what can be done in terms of forcing players out, there are potential penalties for clubs who banish players to the reserves etc. but there is no reason to name him in a matchday squad. If Lindelof and a fullback are on the bench we are fine, Victor is the sub for the CB position and in an emergency bring on Dalot or Williams or whoever and move Shaw to the CB position. If he is not named in a matchday squad for the next 2 weeks and especially if he is not named in the next England squad then he might finally wake up to the reality of his situation. This is not even forcing him out to be fair as playing someone else at LB and using Shaw as our 4th choice CB is actually the better footballing decision.
 
lilcurt said:
He can negotiate with the club sure. But we are 100% in our rights to say either go or rot in the reserves.

It comes down to if the player has any ambition and the mentality to play and succeed. It is becoming apparent that money is his primary driver.
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Why does it have to go this way? Why not enter into negotiation with good will for a win-win situation, instead of winner take all approach? Of course money is his primary driver but so does Man Utd. In the end if he stays then both parties lose. He won't play in the next 2 years, and Utd will miss the 30 million transfer fee and 20 million in wages, just because of the 7 million payout/compensation.
 
Adisa said:
Of course there’s no rule that we have to compensate him. But if he stays, it’s our loss as well as his.
That’s why We have to come to a compromise on how much we pay him.
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It will be one time loss but it will send a proper message. Otherwise we will be compensating every tom dick and harry for a long time for performing poorly
 
Is he entitled to see out his contract and collect his £190k/week? Yes.

Are United obliged to play him? No. Will that hurt his chances to play for England? Yes.

Maguire basically has a choice between more money for a couple of years and potentially ruining his career, or moving on and taking a pay cut (while still making £5-6m/year, kind) but getting to play regularly for club and country. However, if his choice is the money, it’s fair to question how seriously he takes his profession and it’s quite clear he has no sense of personal responsibility. The fact that he can’t get anywhere his current wages form another team is clear proof that he’s underperformed his current contract.

By all means, he can take the money and he’s certainly entitled to it. But I think fans are justified in being miffed by his lack of self awareness and his priorities, not to mention lack of pride and desire. Some leader.
 
Withnail said:
He's entitled to stay and get paid as per his contract so he is entitled to that money. If we want to get rid of him, he doesn't want to go and the pay cut is massive he's right to ask for a sweetener. I'd think less of him if he didn't.

Are you telling me you'd go to a lesser team with half the wages? You'd just suck it up, would you?
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Yes. I would.

He’s gonna have no first team football for years, everyone hates him, and he’s not getting any younger.

Yes I’d take a pay cut and try progress my career rather than holding my team to ransom because nobody wants to pay me the stupid salary I’m not worth. Boohoo, I’m getting paid 40% less of the already stupid amount of money I’m on…oh how will I deal with life? Get a grip man.
 
Gandalf said:
There are limits to what can be done in terms of forcing players out, there are potential penalties for clubs who banish players to the reserves etc. but there is no reason to name him in a matchday squad. If Lindelof and a fullback are on the bench we are fine, Victor is the sub for the CB position and in an emergency bring on Dalot or Williams or whoever and move Shaw to the CB position. If he is not named in a matchday squad for the next 2 weeks and especially if he is not named in the next England squad then he might finally wake up to the reality of his situation. This is not even forcing him out to be fair as playing someone else at LB and using Shaw as our 4th choice CB is actually the better footballing decision.
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Yeah I still hope he will leave this month. If not, let's pray Licha and Varane don't get injured at the same time.
 
baskinginthesun said:
That's the thing though. Our back line is fairly injury prone. He will be needed at some point during the season, unfortunately. As much as I don't like it, there is a reason he's able to sit on the bench instead of being pushed into the reserves. He will play at some point.

This is probably why he's able to negotiate the remainder of his contract.
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We definitely need to replace him so yeah he has some bargaining power. I'd rather we paid the man and got someone else but it depends how close we are to FFP limits. This could all be brinkmanship though and the deal could still get done. West Ham looking at other targets smacks of a negotiating tactic to hurry us up. They aren't going to get another deal over the line in a couple of days either so this will rumble on for the week at least I'd say.
 
ThierryHenry14 said:
Why does it have to go this way? Why not enter into negotiation with good will for a win-win situation, instead of winner take all approach? Of course money is his primary driver but so does Man Utd. In the end if he stays then both parties lose. He won't play in the next 2 years, and Utd will miss the 30 million transfer fee and 20 million in wages, just because of the 7 million payout/compensation.
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The win, win is for him to go to West Ham. Play week in, week out and get paid £100k per week mate...

What West Ham offer to pay Maguire is irrelevant to Man Utd, and shouldnt be made the clubs problem.

If he was moving to a club that was going to double his wage, would he offer to split the increase with his former club? Of course not. He (an many other players) are just sheer greedy.

If accept what you are worth from a new club or rot in the reserves.

For me I would happily never see him in a united shirt again.
 
Scorpy said:
Yeah I still hope he will leave this month. If not, let's pray Licha and Varane don't get injured at the same time.
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honestly even then im betting we would see lindelof-shaw pairing come back and someone else slide back in at LB
 
I just don't understand the mentality of all these. It is not uncommon for the payout and Arsenal does this to their unwanted players for them to accept lower salary else where.
 
Ananke said:
Yes. I would.

He’s gonna have no first team football for years, everyone hates him, and he’s not getting any younger.

Yes I’d take a pay cut and try progress my career rather than holding my team to ransom because nobody wants to pay me the stupid salary I’m not worth. Boohoo, I’m getting paid 40% less of the already stupid amount of money I’m on…oh how will I deal with life? Get a grip man.
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Anyone who willingly takes a 50% pay-cut without compensation when they've two years left on their contract isn't very bright.

Also his financial advisors/agent are telling him to sit tight while a payout is negotiated. I just don't believe you wouldn't do the same in that situation.
 
Enigma_87 said:
They are not entitled for future salary ffs.
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This is the fundamentals of a players contract. Nearly all transfers have player compensation built into it, unless the player is out of contract, the difference here is that Maguire and the club can't agree on a figure.
 
Withnail said:
Anyone who willingly takes a 50% pay-cut without compensation when they've two years left on their contract isn't very bright.

Also his financial advisors/agent are telling him to sit tight while a payout is negotiated. I just don't believe you wouldn't do the same in that situation.
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I’m not on nearly 200k a week. Would I want to sit around in a club that doesn’t want me for another few years with toxicity brewing and not playing football…pretty 100% certain I wouldn’t.
 
Him moving to west ham won’t get him a spot at the Euros. He’s awful, and everyone can see it.
 
hobbers said:
No it’s not his. It’s his on the basis he does his job for the club over the next two years.

Elanga had years left on his contract but we sure as shit didn’t pay him off so he got two wages for one job.
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It IS his though. He’s entitled to it even if he never plays.
 
Enigma_87 said:
My point is that if he fits in the reserves for two years he won’t even get close to 50k let alone 100k. I’m not sure even a PL club would offer him part time contract and in lower leagues he’ll get 10-20k at best.

Saudi is not an option as he’s not marketable in any shape or form.
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I don't agree with your figures at all. He will only be 32 when he exits his United contract. CBs are often still close to their prime at that age, especially those with good injury records like Maguire. He is a meme and out of form but still commands 100k at 30. I don't see him dropping by 80% in 2 years, and even if that happens he will likely end up ahead financially than by leaving millions on the table.

He is making the right decision in my opinion (pressing United to pay the difference).
 
Ananke said:
I’m not on nearly 200k a week. Would I want to sit around in a club that doesn’t want me for another few years with toxicity brewing and not playing football…pretty 100% certain I wouldn’t.
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He's not going to do that though. He'll get a huge payoff. Might not be the full sum but will be millions.
 
FriedClams said:
Him moving to west ham won’t get him a spot at the Euros. He’s awful, and everyone can see it.
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very much disagree. Southgate loves him and just wants any desperate reason to play him. He trusts him at CB for england so starting weekly for west ham will def get him a spot at the euros.

Shit i wouldnt be surprised if he gets a spot at the euros even if he languishes on our bench all year
 
lilcurt said:
Can you explain how they owe him the money?

Unless I'm missing something, he is asking for the sum of the difference in pay between his contract with us and his new one with West Ham over the next two years.

If I'm correct in that, then he isn't "due" this money at all. He is due the money if he fulfils his contract and stays the next to years. If all parties agree to a transfer (as they must in this scenario) then a kind of break clause is activated in a contract so we can sell and he can leave.

He is essentially playing an extra card here, saying he will only go if paid off. He can try and negotiate this, but we are not obliged to accept and he isn't owed it at all.

Happy to be proven wrong.
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He’s owed the money for the remainder of his contract I mean, I’m not saying that if he’s sold, and agrees to he sold he’s still owed it. But as it stands, as a Utd player and is entitled to say he expects to be paid the agreed amount, whether that’s all coming from Utd, or some from West Ham with Utd making up the difference.
 
I'm sure we've subsidised quite a few deals recently. We do so even when we loan players who end up not playing (Martial, probably Donny too). I don't get why he isn't paid off to leave. The reality of the situation is he won't be banished to the reserves, we'll be forced to play him because Varane is fragile and Lindelof as well with his back, so we're going to need the fourth centre back. A Shaw-Martinez combo will make our already physically inferior side weaker during set pieces.

Surely we have to get this over the line asap and get in another centre back sharpish.
 
Ananke said:
I’m not on nearly 200k a week. Would I want to sit around in a club that doesn’t want me for another few years with toxicity brewing and not playing football…pretty 100% certain I wouldn’t.
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Yeah but you'd surely play hardball a little bit to get a few million in your sky rocket if your agent told you he'd get it for you wouldn't you?

Thing is the deal isn't dead yet. I think it still gets done and we get Pavard in.
 
I'm sure I read a few tweets saying United were giving him 6 million.

So it's not a case of posting "United should pay him!" you are basically saying "United should pay him more than £6 million"

I think a 6 million bonus as you walk out the door is fair tbh.
 
Withnail said:
Anyone who willingly takes a 50% pay-cut without compensation when they've two years left on their contract isn't very bright.

Also his financial advisors/agent are telling him to sit tight while a payout is negotiated. I just don't believe you wouldn't do the same in that situation.
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Exactly.

Any agent/financial advisor that goes, "yeah you should move on if you have any sense of personal responsibility" (:lol:) should be stripped of their professional license and ability to advise players.
 
adexkola said:
Exactly.

Any agent/financial advisor that goes, "yeah you should move on if you have any sense of personal responsibility" (:lol:) should be stripped of their professional license and ability to advise players.
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i mean should the agent not be advising him on his overall career as well? If maguire sits on our bench/reserves and southgate actually has the balls to drop him is the death of his england career worth the extra couple of million? Not sure if being on the team for euros would open up any extra endorsement money or anything, assuming it is prob different than would be over here in USA. I would hope the agent would show him that he is still going to be making a good amount of money to play a game, and that if he loses out on one of the last years on his career a the top level he will regret it. Idk.
 
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