Could we not give him 20,000 scratch cards or something.
Maguire | he stays!
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Because he won’t get another 100k contract ever after this. If he doesn’t want to move and rot in the reserves, he’s essentially retired after this.
What contract did Bogarde sign after Chelsea stint?
This type of scenario plays out in industry very frequently. Or people are no longer considered to be performing at their job and are let go. Footballer contracts are far more protective towards them than a normal freelance employment contract would be.
Because he is white.
That would be because they aren't freelance contracts, they are contracts of employment.
I suspect the nominal transfer fee is not affected by the discussed potential compensation and it's maybe accounted in different lines or columns. Which is why United didn't bite at 20 (despite West Ham then being able to pay a bigger upfront bonus) but is OK with 30m£ because on the books remaining amortisation is paid for. In reality the actual final balance is lesser but that comes from another pot which might fly for FFP.
I'll let someone more familiar with accounting confirm or infirm... Accounting is of course keeping count of the balance but a lot of it is also a matter of following preset formatting and rules in how you present all operations.
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If that's the case, he should definitely get the most out of his 180k/week salary + the natural brand benefit of being associated with a global institution like United.
He can then earn a good wage at a lower table Premier League or Championship club and he will almost certainly walk away ahead in this scenario over the scenario where he leaves £7M+ on the table to join West Ham.
The asset is not worth 30 for clubs that can pay him 200k. For those who can pay him 100k he’s apparently worth around 23m.
If he won’t move till the end of the month his value will approach 0 next year.
If we don’t sell him till the end of the month that’s probably about it.
KDB is out for a 'couple of months' as per Pep. So they might accelerate the Paqueta deal which gives WHU about 188 (?) million to spend. Surely we would be mugs to sell them Maguire for 30m and then pay Maguire the rumoured 7/10/15 odd million....Ask WHU to pay up
He's mainly associated with memes at the moment.
That should not be underestimated.
And he won't shake that off until he a) proves everyone wrong and becomes a starter for ETH (not bloody likely) or b) proves himself to be a decent player elsewhere (which he could at the right club).
Associated in a bad way though.
I’m not sure about that and that would be 1 year at best. Who is going to pay him a big salary with the sense he would not give his best and he can essentially sit on his arse to pick up the payckeck..
If he thought the booing was bad in pre season....
First off, I will always side with the worker over the employer. If Maguire wants to stay, he is 100% entitled to the stupidly large contract United foolishly gave him. No arguments about that. What he isn't entitled to is a pay off to move elsewhere. He can stay and have his current contract, or leave and get whatever contract his next club is willing to give to him, and that's it. United owe him nothing in that case.
Also, I believe that if he stays, he is either purely motivated by money, or delusional. There is no universe in which he wins back his spot. He will never be a first choice (or even second choice) defender for Manchester United again, much less the captain. He is completely unsuited for the style of football we want to play, and he's not going to suddenly become faster, more agile etc at the age of 30. He's only going to get worse. I realize that in order to make it in sports you have to have incredibly high self-confidence, but this is ludicrous.
Also, I believe that if he stays, he is either purely motivated by money, or delusional. There is no universe in which he wins back his spot. He will never be a first choice (or even second choice) defender for Manchester United again, much less the captain. He is completely unsuited for the style of football we want to play, and he's not going to suddenly become faster, more agile etc at the age of 30. He's only going to get worse. I realize that in order to make it in sports you have to have incredibly high self-confidence, but this is ludicrous.
I don't see how this bolsters your original post I quoted, where you said the club have a strong position too?
Yep. No transfer fee. It's good leverage.
Just negotiated an hour to save about 50 dollar on a laptop, so i can see why.
I just read Bogarde’s Wiki page, didn’t realize he retired after Chelsea. Fun fact, he was made assistant coach by none other than Eric ten Hag at Ajax. Maybe once his two years are up, Maguire will join our coaching staff?
According to the press it can be revived but for now they are looking elsewhere because Maguire is deadlocked with United over compensation. Sounds exactly like a briefing to get it moving in all honesty, reach a compromise asap or we sign someone else, pretty clear message to the club and Maguire.
But if he is so shit, then b) isn't likely either. Regardless, he is at his lowest ebb right now and West Ham are STILL willing to pay £30M and 100k/week for him, so it is unlikely there won't be a host of suitors for him in 2-3 years time.
All this goes to show that Maguire is well within his right to demand what is owed to him contractually.
He is also being smart game theoretically, so fair play to him.
Ever managed people?
He is at his lowest ebb and already a meme, yet West Ham just offered £30M and 100k/week for him. It would be naive to think there won't be a host of suitors for him in 2-3 years time.
So why should he leave £7M on the table? I'd argue he is making the smart decision.
It's like a new signing for us. Perhaps he can have his second renaissance with us.
Not many 32 years old players get a good sign in bonus. Especially if they were backup players (at best) for the last 3 years.
De Gea, who had a far higher reputation than Maguire, is struggling to find a club. And he was a starter until 2 months ago.
He is deadwood and has to go plain and simple. If arnold and murtiugh can't do the deal get someone in who can
We'll see I guess. I'm still not going to get my hopes up it could actually happen.
That's the thing, he really doesn't have to go. He is under contract so he does not need to go until 2026.
Maybe. But he has a good chance with no fee. Still doesn't mean he should lose money on reduced wages. He could earn as much on our bench as he might at West Ham and his next contract combined. Maybe he doesn't love football that much and it doesn't bother him. Nobody has actually done anything wrong here apart from the clowns who signed him.
Strange that he thinks taking this stance will work out for him, after watching what happened with Lingard. He's in a very similar position. We shouldn't allow him any loan moves and decide our sale price for each window, and if he can't agree a move then he can wait to see what he can agree in 2 years time. He should definitely ask Lingard how things are going, as Harry will hopefully not benefit from a 6 month shop window loan that landed Lingard his 1 year deal at Forest.
Lingard maybe not the best comparison as he could have signed a much longer and secure contract with WH instead on gambling on himself.
Next year's figures have little to no bearing on our spending this summer. If FFP is an issue - and we're led to believe it is - then all that matters is that discharging the book value for Harry Maguire right now would mean taking a £26M hit. So that is the figure we have to recoup now to avoid reducing our budget.
It might well be beneficial long term to take a hit now and get more headroom down the line, but that's not what the other poster was getting at. They were talking about the need to buy this summer.
It would surely count as revenue in the current period. How could it not? Its not close to any of the ignored expenditures (which are things like the academy or stadium upgrades).
It’s a football club, players come and go. What a pointless question to pose, but yes I have managed people and being honest with them is the start and following up with actions to demonstrate your point is the best way to go. Confusing them by opening the door to their return and putting them on the bench when an offer has been accepted by the club is certainly not good management in this scenario.
Maguire comes across as an egotistical, greedy, arrogant, assaulting, police bribing individual who doesn’t know how to take no for an answer.
This has the potential to get toxic if he doesn’t go.
Greece, followed by sustained periods of terrible form followed by ear cupping and “I have nothing to prove” interviews has made the fanbase turn on him.
I have to admit, the lack of responsibility for his actions and form really does grate. He was club captain and refused to take responsibility. I was hoping this would be the line under everything.
If he is here next season and he plays and makes mistakes, and is seen as a big reason why we are short in midfield/defence, i fear it could get ugly for him.
I feel like he could have handled everything so much better, from Greece onwards, but it appears that even his exit could end up causing unnecessary grief.
Greece, followed by sustained periods of terrible form followed by ear cupping and “I have nothing to prove” interviews has made the fanbase turn on him.
I have to admit, the lack of responsibility for his actions and form really does grate. He was club captain and refused to take responsibility. I was hoping this would be the line under everything.
If he is here next season and he plays and makes mistakes, and is seen as a big reason why we are short in midfield/defence, i fear it could get ugly for him.
I feel like he could have handled everything so much better, from Greece onwards, but it appears that even his exit could end up causing unnecessary grief.
Sure, no problem with him demanding to get x amount of money for him to leave.
At the same time, I think we are completely within our right to completely omit him from the team. Which is what many other clubs do when they want to incentivize a player to leave.
This will taint our window and sense of progress.
If he plays very little first team football will that effect his England place.
Does he care, maybe not if it costs you £90k a week or whatever the difference in figure is supposed to be.
I think many people ( but not all ) will sit on the bench rather than play for that sort of difference.
At least he shouldn’t be tired if selected for England.
Does he care, maybe not if it costs you £90k a week or whatever the difference in figure is supposed to be.
I think many people ( but not all ) will sit on the bench rather than play for that sort of difference.
At least he shouldn’t be tired if selected for England.
Thats what a lot of fans don't get. The people in charge of the club can't just "get the deal done", unless the other parties agree, without paying absurd prices.
That said, the offer for Maguire is generous and I'd actually prefer to pay him to be at West Ham than at Unites.
Nor match fit.
Bale could get away with using Real Madrid as a gym for Wales but England has too many alternatives for Maguires England career to survive if he stays.