He just gets paid the wages he was offered. I'm surprised these situations don't arise more frequently given the money at stake.
Saying that, he'll no doubt get some game time too, given the fixture list and injuries.
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Saying that, he'll no doubt get some game time too, given the fixture list and injuries.
He's being rewarded for not leaving Manchester United within a period of 6 years from the day on which he signed his contract. The fact that that stipulation is no longer one that United want to enforce is cost of doing business.
ffs United just pay him what you owe him
Whatever he does he needs to be removed from the first team outfit.
Exactly. And they will eventually. This is just good negotiating from the agent.
Maguire should be banished to the reserves, at least until the end of the window. No appearances on the bench. Don't give him hope. We need to show him the consequences more harshly.
You just know he'll still go to the Euros under Southgate if he's making the odd appearance off the bench. We need to remove that potential appearance, then see what Maguire thinks.
Let him disappear in the darkness until January, then just watch him cry for a move. Less money for us no doubt, but I just can't stand to have this deluded person as part of our squad any more!
You just know he'll still go to the Euros under Southgate if he's making the odd appearance off the bench. We need to remove that potential appearance, then see what Maguire thinks.
Let him disappear in the darkness until January, then just watch him cry for a move. Less money for us no doubt, but I just can't stand to have this deluded person as part of our squad any more!
It’s not owed to him. He’s been paid what he’s owed in full
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It will get done. And we need to pay him the difference in wages.
Standard. No different to us loaning our players and still covering half their salary or if the the other club covers the entire salary then we get no or a very small loan fee. Or does anyone believe Martial played for free for Sevilla?
Standard. No different to us loaning our players and still covering half their salary or if the the other club covers the entire salary then we get no or a very small loan fee. Or does anyone believe Martial played for free for Sevilla?
They don't want to break the agreed contract at all, They want to sell him which is well within their rights and if he is sold he isn't owed any payoff from Utd because he will be getting a new contract making ours void (like a new contract for higher wages a player might get mid contract for playing well, being sold for being crap to a lesser team on lower wages is basically the opposite and is what is going on here).
He is well within his rights to give up on his career and sit out his contract here for the rest of the money but don't make out he deserves the rest or even most of the remaining contract AND gets to move on to enjoy a new contract and challenge. You can't eat your cake and have it to.
Even if you don't think Maguire is totally in the wrong, it's a textbook comical mess of trying to get rid of someone.
His retrial is in February.
That's another reason why we need to sell now, he doesn't have to attend but it's going to be an extra distraction for him and the club.
How can anyone rationalise paying him the remainder of his contract? You get paid the entirity of a contract when you see out the entire contract by being an employee and doing your job for the full length of it. If we sell him then he's no longer an employee and he'll have already have been paid what he's owed by United up until that point of leaving. Paying him off means he'll get paid wages he's not earned here on top of additional wages he'll be earning at his new club. It's pure fecking greed. If he wants to stay and be a backup player fine. If he wants to leave then he should accept a wage decrease befitting of his status and value to his new employer. He'll still be richer than 99% of the population ffs
Exactly, not so hard to grasp.
If a company hires me for 2 million a year and I somehow negotiate a 5-year length, I surely want to see those 10m in my pocket, even if they find a better one for the job after two years.
Yes there are some legends in the game who play on half wages for their hometown team, but you can't expect that from anyone.
As a club, you have to set very strict standards for your wage structure. You can't leave those standards just because you need a guy desperately or it's late into the transfer window. If they don't want to play within those structures, just move on.
Euros are gone for Harry. No way he plays for England if he stays here. I think that is the only thing that might get him to move. I really don't get it.
I was sure we would certainly get rid of Henderson, Maguire and McTominay this window.
Amazing it looks like they will all stay now. Wonder will the media keep talking about how professional Maguire is by deciding to sit this out over his money rather than go to a club where he can play every week
Amazing it looks like they will all stay now. Wonder will the media keep talking about how professional Maguire is by deciding to sit this out over his money rather than go to a club where he can play every week
Leave him out of the squad
A morals clause is common in US sports contracts but I haven't heard of one in the UK.
Player power. If you are underperforming and not worth your wages you just sit your contract out. If you are over performing you demand a rise midway through your contract to prolong or hand in a transfer request and refuse to play if you are not sold.
Clubs fault. If this was Bhoely this would have been dealt with. As crazy as he is.
Scarier thing is we’re doing the same thing under the current leadership. Just won’t realise it for a few years
Yeah, that's the bit that's confusing me over all this.
I've seen comparisons to the De Jong situation, but that was over deferred wages when Barcelona restructured the deal mid-contract. That's an unusual scenario. This is the run of the mill situation where a player is just being sold before the end of the contract but has received all wages up until then.
If compensation of millions is due to Maguire based on the wages for the rest of his contract, does that mean in situations where the player is the one pushing for the move then they have to compensate the club for millions of the transfer fee for 'breaking' the contract mid way through?
Let’s just say we did, then we wouldn’t get a fee for selling him. Pretty basic, really.
Imagine being stripped of captaincy, losing your place in the starting 11 and still refusing to leave. Shows how big of a mistake it was making him captain in the first place. Awful player with an ego far beyond his own capabilities.
O Captain! My Captain!?Is there some sort of competition going on here for who can write the dumbest post or something?
A lot of us do! Mount signing seems to have woken quite a lot of people up though. We are absolutely abysmal at dealing with the blatantly obvious issues in the squad. Wouldn’t be surprised to see us go out and buy a left winger before the close of window. Casemiros legs will be gone by Xmas with no help in CM and no back up options.
Mount will be Ten Hags Maguire. Same way a lot of us saw he was no where near good enough for the club before Ole decided he was going to be our new captain fantastic.
If he demands more money, it just shows that he's more interested in money than playtime or his career. He obviously doesn't care about the club and is acting like a spoiled child, taking a player's spot that could have been given to someone young and ambitious.
Maguire has been fully unmasked and is showing his true colours. If we acted like a proper big club, we’d have his replacement in already and ten Hag would stop the bullshit in the media of demanding Maguire fight for his place.
This is where I don't understand the finance people at United. Surely selling a player for £23m (factoring in Maguire's payout) is better than keeping a player on £200k+ per week, who will now sit out his contract on the bench. That's £20.8m just on gross wages and doesn't even factor in employer's NI and pension.
This is before you consider the fact he isn't good enough for United and the manager doesn't want him. Why keep a player who is happy to sit on the bench and club cannot even rely on him when required?
We never learn any lessons. The zoom in of Maguire and Henderson chatting to each other at half time speaks volumes. Neither should be near the club any more and both have value.
This is before you consider the fact he isn't good enough for United and the manager doesn't want him. Why keep a player who is happy to sit on the bench and club cannot even rely on him when required?
We never learn any lessons. The zoom in of Maguire and Henderson chatting to each other at half time speaks volumes. Neither should be near the club any more and both have value.
And fans have the right to boo him on the pitch too… not that I’d agree, but that’s the way it is.
He wants to be paid off for the drop in wages.
It will be sorted out in the end. Just some posturing and negotiation probably being handled by his agent and without much input from Harry himself.
No, we're not paying him additional to his WH wages, it's about the difference. The problem is we can't just move him without his permission. And he's fully right to demand the salary of his contract.
It seems greedy and we have every right to boo him, but it's not his fault the club made him bigger than he is.
But the privilege also costs some sacrifices. For Maguire, chance to play in a starting XI of an EPL club (and have a shot on England squad) is a privilege.
He may stay here in reserves, but he won’t be offered any contract in 2 years and will have to retire early.
He has to significantly drop his salary to leave and also drop down in size of club. What would you do in his situation?
The only person to blame is Woodward giving average players way above average salaries. None of them want to leave for that reason.
Get that money Harold. Better in your pocket than the Glaziers.
Simply go if I'm not wanted? What is the point in staying?
Is it any wonder we had a collapse under Ole when Maguire and Ronaldo were the two main leaders in the team?
Giving Maguire his payoff is the lesser evil in the grand scheme of things