Maguire | he stays!

I mean, I don’t really blame Maguire for holding out to be paid what’s left on his (ridiculous) contract. But at the same time, it makes me dislike him even more.
 

What does this stupid tweet mean?
"particularly when he's due to leave for a fee" .. what
So there should be a payoff when he is leaving for free or when his contract runs out? Leaving for a fee is the case where giving the player a payoff for the loss of wages makes most sense.
 
Genuinely never hated a United player more, and he's barely done anything wrong, weird isn't it.
 
Maybe Harry just loves the hate and online abuse...some people like living in misery so fair play to him!
 
Genuinely never hated a United player more, and he's barely done anything wrong, weird isn't it.
Yeah, it’s between him and Fellaini for me. And as you say, their main crimes are being shit and fecking annoying to look at.
 
Maguire is 100% in the right here.. wouldve been nice if he moved on. but anyone blaming him for not taking a financial hit is being stupid.
This is the kind of nonsense Barca were doing last summer and everyone was laughing at them.

We gave him a contract.. we have to honour it..
If he is fine to stay on the bench, great. We should be fine too. Any other response from our fan base would be a disgrace.
 
I dont think its true that we're pushing for a move.. all the reporting has been that Maguire was available at the right price. Ten Hag has said that he's happy to have him stay and fight for a spot in the team. He's 1-2 injuries away from starting as well.

I don't think we're desperate to sell him and are content to have him as CB#4 so it comes down to Maguire if he wants to stay or go

You don't have to be desperate to convince someone. United accepted a bid for a player and also negotiated a severance package for said player, the severance package is quite obviously meant to convince the player to accept to end his contract. Otherwise would not accept bid for West Ham, not offer to pay a player to leave or both.
 
Hilarious take at this stage of the season (less than 24 hours after our first game).

Out of interest though, what makes you say that?
I get that it’s slightly premature but a combination of underwhelming signings outside of the keeper upgrade, not moving on enough of the dead wood and replacing them with better players (like what Chelsea and Liverpool have done), the Glazers dragging their feet making it difficult for us to compete for top players, our poor preseason form and lack of cohesion that looks to have followed us into the actual season.

I really hope things change, and fast.
 
Knew this was all too good to be true. We've gone from getting around £60million for Maguire and McTominay to both of them probably staying.

This club. :lol: :lol:
The transfer boys at United have in one stroke found themselves back in the doghouse. Pathetic show again. What part of another season warming the bench possible loss of England spot, will mean Maquire being worth even half of that 30m next year.
 
And Martial has the right to get paid while he's injured. He's cost United way more than £7m over the course of his time on the treatment table.

Contracts exist to protect the players. Otherwise they'd never sign.

And, of course, those same contracts protect the club from losing their players for nothing. Otherwise they'd never buy.

It's rough with the smooth. We simply have to accept the rough right now.

And that goes for Maguire as well. He can point to his contract and stay, he will get payed 190k weekly for it, and he’ll get booed every few times he gets on a football field the next year. He’ll just have to take the rough with the smooth, and maybe he likes it a bit rough even?
 
It's bad optics for Maguire, but he has every right to expect United to cover part of his wages. The club gave him the contract and it's the club that wants him to leave more than Maguire himself, so ultimately we have to accept and be happy that he may stay if we don't compensate him accordingly.
 
Hard not to be annoyed at this, but I’m still hopeful he will leave before the window closes.
 
Maybe Harry just loves the hate and online abuse...some people like living in misery so fair play to him!

He hasn't covered himself in glory, but it's once again a consequence of our habit of heavily rewarding mediocrity without the ability to roll that back when said player offers zero value for multiple seasons. We saw it with Lingard and a host of others that we weren't able to flog.

To be honest, I'd just pay him the £7m to feck off and start from scratch rather than have him on the bench or not in the squad at all sucking a wage out of the club. We're effectively giving him the £7m by not selling him anyway.
 
I dont think its true that we're pushing for a move.. all the reporting has been that Maguire was available at the right price. Ten Hag has said that he's happy to have him stay and fight for a spot in the team. He's 1-2 injuries away from starting as well.

I don't think we're desperate to sell him and are content to have him as CB#4 so it comes down to Maguire if he wants to stay or go
Yep. I've said this all along.
 
What does this stupid tweet mean?
"particularly when he's due to leave for a fee" .. what
So there should be a payoff when he is leaving for free or when his contract runs out? Leaving for a fee is the case where giving the player a payoff for the loss of wages makes most sense.

In fairness what he's saying is true. We should never have to pay off / subsidise a player just because he cant get the same stupidly high wage elsewhere. Thats on the player.. if he was good enough then other clubs would be happy to pay him what he wants.
 
Just pay him up and be rid of him, rather than carry on paying him 190k every week for two years and leave on a free after. Club made the first mistake of paying 80m for him, then giving him 190k a week, now we have to pay for our mistakes.
 
Discounting future cashflows basically means taking into account that money promised in the future is worth less than the same amount of money promised now. The discount refers to the amount of value difference it would take for you to accept the future payment rather than payment now.

For example, if I offer you £100 now or £100 in a year, you would always choose to take it now. Why? Because inflation, money in the bank, things can change etc. So how much would I need to offer for you to think the payment in a year is better? £110, £120? £200?. That concept is the time value of money, and discounting future cashflows is a financial mechanism for taking it into account.

In this case, a contract promising £190k a week that has 24 months left might pay out £18m, but if you were offering to pay someone out of it you would pay it less with a full payment now. How much the discount is varies due to the circumstances. In this case a very cash rich person like a top level pro footballer is probably less in need of the cash now than say you or I might be, so will be more comfortable with receiving the amounts in the future. Therefore there time preference for money will lead to a lower discount being needed.

My explanation was going to be worse :D
 
If there's any truth to this, I'm almost hoping for us to still get Pavard and he'll drop to 6th choice. Playing with the reserves, vs lower division teams when and if we face them and dropping his place in the national team.

I know you're getting paid for this, it's what puts food on your table, but ffs, don't you want to play most of the games?
 
*reasonable football supporter*: if I were in charge I would strap Maguire into a Saw-like device for the remainder of his contract, crushing his head between two stone slabs.
 
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I dont think its true that we're pushing for a move.. all the reporting has been that Maguire was available at the right price. Ten Hag has said that he's happy to have him stay and fight for a spot in the team. He's 1-2 injuries away from starting as well.

I don't think we're desperate to sell him and are content to have him as CB#4 so it comes down to Maguire if he wants to stay or go
We should be - when he's on such high wages.
 
Two things can't be true:
1. Harry believes that he's good enough to playing every week and back as a key part of the England setup
2. Harry would prefer to not play again, forego the above and just sit and collect c. 90k a week more wages

If I were United I'd hang him out to dry in the press. Sources close to the club were apparently baffled that Maguire - who has constantly expressed how much he needs to be playing - would refuse a chance to join a storied club in a starting role, just to earn more wages at United. United were 100% behind the move and had agreed all terms with WHU, but the player is holding out for more money, rather than fighting for his England place.
 
Di Maria?
He barely registers on the radar because he barely featured, he was a dick yes but he didn't want to leave Madrid, didn't want to be here and had no issues leaving when the situation was clearly not worth continuing.

Maguire doesn't help himself because of his attitude and his ego, which unlike Di Maria, is a completely unwarranted ego. I genuinely can't stand to look at him knowing he thinks he's incredible and that he has nothing to prove at United, that and basically holding the club to ransom if he was to leave. This despite the fact he isn't good enough to start for us and if Southgate isn't a tool (he is) he should lose his England place but because he thinks he deserves to be at United and get paid a stupid amount of money considering his actual skillset he demands we pay him millions to go to West Ham.

I cannot stand him i'm sorry, again, it's not entirely his fault that he's had bad patches playing for us, but even then he never takes any accountability for those, he just rubs people up the wrong way.
 
Silly move by Maguire if true. Either he genuinely thinks he is prime Baresi level, or he has advisors in his ear giving him pretty bad advice.. could be both

If he holds tight, just have him cleaning boots and putting the cones out, he might realise hes not as good as he thinks then
 
Silly move by Maguire if true. Either he genuinely thinks he is prime Baresi level, or he has advisors in his ear giving him pretty bad advice.. could be both

If he holds tight, just have him cleaning boots and putting the cones out, he might realise hes not as good as he thinks then
Fine move by him, he wants £ to feck off and he's entitled to it.
 
Folks saying we should get Pavard or Todibo and push Maguire to 6th choice don’t get it, we can’t get them until Maguire moves on as we need the money from that sale to buy either one. It’s so frustrating, just go Maguire
 
It depends a lot on who you are supporting. Athletes or artists are often taking care of more than their own lifestyle.
I know, I was being silly. That being said, it is 4.5m over a year, so I can see why you'd fight for it. I'm not sure why he feels like he deserves it, which is more to the poster's second point.

Tbf I don’t blame him I wouldn’t move too if 90k per week was on the line. Its the clubs fault for dishing out huge contracts.
Some players are desperate to play and take huge paycuts but he’s 30 years old, I think we are saddled with him till his contract runs out
 
ETHs comments yesterday about „happy to have him, fight for his place“ don’t help either. We gotta be much more harsh. Why not sayin rn he is a MUFC player, finalizing details of his move to West Ham. Until then he will be available for us.

So, that’s Pavard etc gone and based on yesterday’s 1/10 shitshow, we are in a very unclear situation
 
But ETH simply cannot share this opinion, it cannot be. Any half decent attack minded manager understands that Maguire doesn’t fit even in his peak career form - and ETH is better than “half decent”.
He’s not CB number 4 . If /When Varane gets injured Maguire comes in .
 
He’s not CB number 4 . If /When Varane gets injured Maguire comes in .
More often than not, I think it will be Lindelof but if playing against a striker who is strong in the air, then it probably will be Maguire.
 
ETHs comments yesterday about „happy to have him, fight for his place“ don’t help either. We gotta be much more harsh. Why not sayin rn he is a MUFC player, finalizing details of his move to West Ham. Until then he will be available for us.

So, that’s Pavard etc gone and based on yesterday’s 1/10 shitshow, we are in a very unclear situation

That's just ETH doing the diplomatic/political thing, as he probably knew the deal was off at that point, too. He can't really win in that situation.
 
Troll from maguire to United fans

Can't wait for Ten Hag to start showing some balls by ditching that fecking idiot down to the reserves. We can come back in a few months when Maguire misses the cut for the Euros because of that.
 
And ladies and gentlemen, as wrong as you may think booing our own player is, this is why he got boo’d.
And fans were annoyed when we booed the fecker.

He's a parasite. Boo him until he fecks off with the Glazers.
I really dont feel sorry for Maguire anymore... he has been getting booed by the fans, you would think that he would leave and carry on his career.

Instead, he is pissing the fans even more, I cannot see how he recovers his reputation with the fan base now.
I used to be against booing him for playing poorly alone, but now, he deserves every boo he gets. He knows the fans don’t like him, the manager doesn’t rate him and his teammates don’t respect him as a leader. And yet, despite West Ham offering him £100k per week and the captaincy, he needs a payoff. An absolute disgrace of a player.
Maybe if he hadn't been jeered (disgracefully in my opinion) by our "fans", then maybe he might feel a bit more affection for the club?

If you get treated like shite by your own supposed supporters, then maybe you stop giving a feck about what they think of you. He's already getting booed for nothing more than not being able to play in a high line- what are we going to do if he refuses to move, boo him more?