Maguire | he stays!

JB7 said:
It's not really simply the cost, clubs pay players as part of leaving the club all the time, it just rarely gets reported on. And it's very rare players go to a club that will only pay them half of what they're currently on. That's on our football club giving him the big money in the first place, not him.


Of course you would. This idea that it's perfectly reasonable to walk away from half your expected earnings across the next two years to leave a club you don't even want to leave, to live somewhere you probably don't even want to live, is completely fecking insane.
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Well yes of course I would. I even did it last year as i quit my job where I earned 50% more than now. But now I work much less hours. It's also stupid to compare footballers to normal people. He earns in a week (even at west ham) what the avarage person earns a year.
And he would trade Manchester for London, hardly a downgrade..
 
If he thinks 90k/week worth more than daily internet abuse then fine.
Keep the fecker. Make him play with reserve team and air it, with player cam even. Everyone loves tiktok meme
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Is it 7M or 15M that he wants? The first one is kinda ok. It is our fault that we gave him a big contract.
The second one means he gets almost all the money we owe him, which means he is ok to stay, if he doesn't get his money and he doesn't care if he gets selected for English NT or not.
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7 is from the Guardian, 15 from The sun (Custis)
 
adexkola said:
The costs to his career are overstated; he will find a place in a PL squad after his United days are over. Whether it's now or in 2 years. Plus, he's on the plane to the Euros next year.

He's not the one in a bind. We are.
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You really think someone's going to give him a big contract at age 32 and after 3 seasons of largely warming the bench? And that's he's necessarily on the plane to the Euros next summer if he hardly plays for United?
 
Josep Dowling said:
He has to significantly drop his salary to leave and also drop down in size of club. What would you do in his situation?

The only person to blame is Woodward giving average players way above average salaries. None of them want to leave for that reason.
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I understand the business and legal decisions being made by Maguire re: his contract, but it doesn’t make him less of a c***.
 
justsomebloke said:
You really think someone's going to give him a big contract at age 32 and after 3 seasons of largely warming the bench? And that's he's necessarily on the plane to the Euros next summer if he hardly plays for United?
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Place at the Euros I don't know. Being signed by a PL team ? Yes absolutely though maybe for less than what West Ham offers currently.
 
Haha knew it when those ETH quotes came out, bizarre thing to say just as he was "leaving". Shouldn't have even been on the bench last night either.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
Yeah, that's the bit that's confusing me over all this.

I've seen comparisons to the De Jong situation, but that was over deferred wages when Barcelona restructured the deal mid-contract. That's an unusual scenario. This is the run of the mill situation where a player is just being sold before the end of the contract but has received all wages up until then.

If compensation of millions is due to Maguire based on the wages for the rest of his contract, does that mean in situations where the player is the one pushing for the move then they have to compensate the club for millions of the transfer fee for 'breaking' the contract mid way through?
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The De Jong comparisons are wrong but it’s not far off.
A fixed term contract is different from normal employment. Maguire has signed a fixed contract for 5 years. Barring him violating that contract, he is owed that money.
That fixed term contract is also why United can demand a £30m fee. It’s to protect both club and player. He has every right to expect his fee.
 
arnoldS said:
Well yes of course I would. I even did it last year as i quit my job where I earned 50% more than now. But now I work much less hours. It's also stupid to compare footballers to normal people. He earns in a week (even at west ham) what the avarage person earns a year.
And he would trade Manchester for London, hardly a downgrade..
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So you didn't take a huge pay cut if you now work considerably less hours :lol:

And for a northerner, with a young family, settled not too far from their own families, moving to London probably is a huge downgrade in terms of his life comfortability. I'm a normal person and nobody could pay me enough to live near London.
 
JB7 said:
It's not really simply the cost, clubs pay players as part of leaving the club all the time, it just rarely gets reported on. And it's very rare players go to a club that will only pay them half of what they're currently on. That's on our football club giving him the big money in the first place, not him.


Of course you would. This idea that it's perfectly reasonable to walk away from half your expected earnings across the next two years to leave a club you don't even want to leave, to live somewhere you probably don't even want to live, is completely fecking insane.
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Presumably he does want to leave, otherwise there's nothing to even consider. He can just stay, no one can force him to go. And he'd be moving to London, so....

If anything is fecking insane, it's this seeming total belief that no one walks away from money out of other and broader concerns, ever. People do that all the time, for many and good reasons. Including people who can much less well afford it than Harry Maguire.
 
Plastic Evra said:
Place at the Euros I don't know. Being signed by a PL team ? Yes absolutely though maybe for less than what West Ham offers currently.
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I don't think there's a "maybe" there, with another two years on the biological clock and 3 years out of being a regular. And I said "big contract".
 
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JB7 said:
So you didn't take a huge pay cut if you now work considerably less hours :lol:

And for a northerner, with a young family, settled not too far from their own families, moving to London probably is a huge downgrade in terms of his life comfortability. I'm a normal person and nobody could pay me enough to live near London.
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Well I wouldn't move to London either because I'm not rich. If you have that kind of money you have a perfectly comfortable life everywhere.

I didn't reduce my hours obviously I just have a job where I can finish my workload in 25 hours a (being paid regular 40hours) instead of 60 hours. But thats not the thread for that kind of discussion.
 
If he doesn't want to leave to go to West Ham then just say it. He is wasting West Ham and United's time...just say you are not interested in a move to West Ham. The End.
 
justsomebloke said:
Presumably he does want to leave, otherwise there's nothing to even consider. He can just stay, no one can force him to go. And he'd be moving to London, so....

If anything is fecking insane, it's this seeming total belief that no one walks away from money out of other and broader concerns, ever. People do that all the time, for many and good reasons. Including people who can much less well afford it than Harry Maguire.
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"And he'd be moving to London, so...." So what exactly?

Where have you seen anything suggesting he wants to leave, ever? All the noises that have ever come out are that he wants to stay, both from the press that seem to report his side and the press that report the clubs side. It's very clearly the club that want him to move on, so that they can sign another defender. That in itself is fine. But if he's essentially being pushed out of the door, to move to a club he doesn't ideally want to play for, in a part of the country he probably doesn't want to live, to earn half the money he would have been earning if he had stayed put, it is entirely reasonable that he expect to be compensated for doing so.
 
RuudTom83 said:
If he doesn't want to leave to go to West Ham then just say it. He is wasting West Ham and United's time...just say you are not interested in a move to West Ham. The End.
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Meanwhile we are hamstrung with money
 
RuudTom83 said:
If he doesn't want to leave to go to West Ham then just say it. He is wasting West Ham and United's time...just say you are not interested in a move to West Ham. The End.
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He wants to go and wants United to pay for it.

Sounds like Trump saying he will build a wall and Mexico will pay for it.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Is it 7M or 15M that he wants? The first one is kinda ok. It is our fault that we gave him a big contract.
The second one means he gets almost all the money we owe him, which means he is ok to stay, if he doesn't get his money and he doesn't care if he gets selected for English NT or not.
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I would expect he would be asking for the difference in pay between the West Ham and United contracts over the duration he has left of his United contract.

He is apparently on 200k a week at United. If WHU are offering him 150k a week, the delta over the 3 years left on his contract would be about 7.5mil.
 
I really don't blame him for recognising that he'll never make this kind of money again and that he's approaching his twilight years. It's smart for him to dig his heels and stay put just as it was for Jones.

The blame lies with people like Ed Woodward and the other clowns handing out contracts at this club.
 
gaffs said:
He is apparently on 200k a week at United. If WHU are offering him 150k a week, the delta over the 3 years left on his contract would be about 7.5mil.
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He is on 190k.
No way WHU will give him 150k. That will make him highest paid guy or 2nd guy at the club. So no chance.
He has 2 years left on contract. 3rd year is a +1.
 
RuudTom83 said:
If he doesn't want to leave to go to West Ham then just say it. He is wasting West Ham and United's time...just say you are not interested in a move to West Ham. The End.
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We would take it, but it seems he wants the pay off from United as he would be walking away from a much bigger salary.

I would do exactly the same, if i was him.
 
Express your disdain for the player if you want but please try to stay away from vitriolic things like calling a player cancer, calling them a cnut or asking fans to go to a players house to hound them out of the club. Be civilized normal people please. Thank you.
 
not sure what people are expecting? He has a contract and every right to negotiate what is owed if he doesn't want to leave

he's just doing what anyone in his position would do, and will likely get a good settlement
 
De Jong wasn’t wanted at Barcelona. He refused to leave because he was owed £15m.

Whats the difference? (other than one being a very good footballer)
 
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I don't understand why we don't pay him. He is a limited player with no use, no ambition and bad mentality (by rejecting WH, he just accepts his demotion and don't want to fight for his career).

I m sure his agent advised him to stay on his contract. He will be semi retired in 2 years with no football and I doubt he will be able to find a contract over 20k. Does he believe that the Saudis will give him a grant contract?
 
He's a proper grifter but we also deserve the blame for paying him much more than any other club would have and effectively inflating his ego by naming him captain after a a few weeks to get him to the point where he can't see himself earning less at other smaller clubs.
 
Wilt said:
De Jong wouldn’t leave Barca for Utd because he was owed £15m.

Whats the difference?
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Because he was owed that in deferred wages. Maguire is just being a greedy little git thinking he's entitled to millions to leave because no other club would be stupid enough to give him the ridiculous wages we have (thanks Ed).
 
RedDevil@84 said:
He is on 190k.
No way WHU will give him 150k. That will make him highest paid guy or 2nd guy at the club. So no chance.
He has 2 years left on contract. 3rd year is a +1.
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I was working on the report that he was asking for 7mil pay off.

We don't know for sure, but for there to even be a conversation, WHU would need to make him one of the highest paid players at the club.

If as you say, West Ham are offering him less than 150k, then it is even more reason for him to drag his heels.
 
Blood Mage said:
I really don't blame him for recognising that he'll never make this kind of money again and that he's approaching his twilight years. It's smart for him to dig his heels and stay put just as it was for Jones.

The blame lies with people like Ed Woodward and the other clowns handing out contracts at this club.
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The club and ten Hag need to cut their losses of the mistakes in the Woodward era. Pay him off and use the net amounts to get a replacement. It’s as simple as that but unfortunately ten Hag’s recent comments and putting him on the bench yesterday have opened the door for Maguire to stay.
 
Tarrou said:
not sure what people are expecting? He has a contract and every right to negotiate what is owed if he doesn't want to leave

he's just doing what anyone in his position would do, and will likely get a good settlement
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see i hate that argument, because players cant have it both ways. There are many times when a player wants a move away, but they are still under contract. It goes both ways. So for me both sides need to be realistic, but i really dont get maguire as a realistic guy. Still remember him celebrating some little nothing goal against one of the euro trash minnows as if he had just vindicated himself or something
 
justsomebloke said:
You really think someone's going to give him a big contract at age 32 and after 3 seasons of largely warming the bench? And that's he's necessarily on the plane to the Euros next summer if he hardly plays for United?
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He's not getting a big contract again regardless. This is his last big contract. Will someone give him a moderate contract at 32? Yes. With that in mind, it doesn't make sense for him to shortchange himself by leaving money on the table. Get your owed monies now.

And yes. The only way he doesn't make it, is if a younger crop of CBs force the issue for Southgate. It's less than a year to the Euros. Southgate isn't a manager who goes for bold changes, he goes with his trusted players.
 
Wilt said:
De Jong wouldn’t leave Barca because he was owed £15m.

Whats the difference?
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The difference is that Barca owed him that money already. It wasnt about his future contract. Imo, completely different situations.
 
Wilt said:
De Jong wouldn’t leave Barca because he was owed £15m.

Whats the difference?
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De Jong will play for Barcelona. Harry Maguire won't.

I would also want the money, but he cannot portray this uber-professional standard either. He's in it for the money like most people are, and he's foregoing guaranteed football in exchange for the money.

Ultimately the only person responsible is the man who gave him the contract in 2019.
 
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