I disagree. We gave him a contract on vastly inflated wages. We need to pay for that mistake.
Maguire | he stays!
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I disagree. We gave him a contract on vastly inflated wages. We need to pay for that mistake.
That's not at all what's happening. You're confusing painful mediocrity with something like subordination.
Since you brought up the analogy of your job, it's like your company hiring you on a 5-year contract and then soon finding out that there is not much work available that they'd actually trust you with. Doesn't mean they can fire you. Not your fault they hired you. Most they can do is tell you "go somewhere else or just sit around earning money".
He's entitled to do so, just as we're now entitled to drop him from the squad much to the dismay of his England aspirations.
I've honestly never fully accepted the fact Samuel is alluding to. Paying off players to leave.
If you have any career interest, the player should forego his residual salary by accepting lower pay - in return you get your career back.
Of course easier said than done but clubs need to be firm beyond doubt. "We don't need you and you will not play - either leave or ruin your career." This is under the assumption that the club/manager don't see a way for the player to fight his way back into the plans.
If you have any career interest, the player should forego his residual salary by accepting lower pay - in return you get your career back.
Of course easier said than done but clubs need to be firm beyond doubt. "We don't need you and you will not play - either leave or ruin your career." This is under the assumption that the club/manager don't see a way for the player to fight his way back into the plans.
Can't we get some Saudi club in for him?
I used to be against booing him for playing poorly alone, but now, he deserves every boo he gets. He knows the fans don’t like him, the manager doesn’t rate him and his teammates don’t respect him as a leader. And yet, despite West Ham offering him £100k per week and the captaincy, he needs a payoff. An absolute disgrace of a player.
this is a completely childish and simplistic, people-pleasing view...
united negotiated the contract, maguire has every right to let it run out
We should play him in the meaningless games and give team instructions to play an extremely high line leaving just two at the back so we can expose how shit he really is.
this is a really bad opinion
I agree with you but shouldn’t he have already taken the hint by now? I mean Shaw starts ahead of him at CB in important games.
Money is more valuable today than tomorrow. Given inflation and opportunity cost and what not.
190k for 2 years and 50k for 3 years (conservative figure) beats 100k for 4 years and 50k for 1 year.
Oh, and there's always Saudi!
Why are people saying he's entitled to the remainder of his contract? If he stays then yes obviously he's entitled to it then but if he leaves then he's not fulfilling his end of the contract so why is the club expected to?
He's 30. There aren't any more big contracts left for him.
If he leaves United, his top level club career is over.
Given the emergence of Guehi and Colwill, his international career is probably going to be over soon as well.
So what has he got left? The answer is earning as much money as possible before retirement.
If he's about to sign a 3 year deal with West Ham for £100k, he'd finish up earning less than if he saw out the last 2 years of his contract with United at £190k. So from Maguire's perspective, he'd be no worse off if he stayed and earned his full salary twiddling his thumbs in the reserves.
The club signed the contract. Now the player holds all the cards. United know the situation and they'll eventually relent. The player will get what we originally agreed to pay him and the club will get its transfer fee.
If he leaves United, his top level club career is over.
Given the emergence of Guehi and Colwill, his international career is probably going to be over soon as well.
So what has he got left? The answer is earning as much money as possible before retirement.
If he's about to sign a 3 year deal with West Ham for £100k, he'd finish up earning less than if he saw out the last 2 years of his contract with United at £190k. So from Maguire's perspective, he'd be no worse off if he stayed and earned his full salary twiddling his thumbs in the reserves.
The club signed the contract. Now the player holds all the cards. United know the situation and they'll eventually relent. The player will get what we originally agreed to pay him and the club will get its transfer fee.
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FFS!!!!!
Maguire
West Ham (today)
FFS!!!!!
For some of the fees and wages they have been paying players, to shell out 30 mill is nothing for them and they will have another high profile player in the league.I'm not sure where that leaves him on the England front for his career but I'm sure his greed will take over though anyway.
I understand everyone’s frustration which is boiling over into anger in some cases. However, if we can’t shift him then we are probably going to need to play him in some matches as we aren’t particularly blessed with back ups at centre back! Varane can’t play two games a week so I can see him playing a fair bit. There’s no way we can afford to bring in another player now so I guess we’re going to have to keep him happy to get the best out of him!
West Ham had a deal for around £200k pw for Rice. They could easily offer something like £150k pw for Maguire, who would be a first team starter and a star player for them.
Stop being stingy WHU.
Stop being stingy WHU.
Would Maguire just feck off, accept your level and salary. We should not have to pay him off.
What a shit show. We should stop putting him in the squad if the window passes and he's still here.. He chose this. The new Winston Bogarde.
Poor little Jacob Maguire. It isn't like he won't receive the remainder of his loyalty/signing bonus when he leaves.
He's not arguing against Maguire having the right to let his contract run. What he's saying is that future earnings are contingent on you still being employed by the club that's selling you thus that money isn't "owed" to Maguire. He's being bought out of that contract. United shouldn't have to pay him for it.
But yes, Maguire has the right to sit out his contract, just like United now has the right to not include him in match day squads, etc.
What an incredibly thick statement.
Go for a walk
Are you ok ?And people here were saying we shouldn’t sell Maguire and Mctominay for anything less than 70m. Enjoy them now. You all deserve it.
Money over his career.
This is bad for everyone involved. Maguire won't play, his career stalls and he won't be playing for England again.
If he ever does play for us, the fans will hate him even more than they already do.
This is bad for everyone involved. Maguire won't play, his career stalls and he won't be playing for England again.
If he ever does play for us, the fans will hate him even more than they already do.
Maguire isn't going to play anyway, so that's not exactly a punishment.
I dont see this.
PSG put Mbappe Neymar Verrati etc in a group of player they didnt want to stay to train separately. ETH had Maguire on the bench yesterday.
Hope he never makes the bench again!
It doesn't, not only because he would make more money with the second option but if reports are correct United were willing to give him a severance package but not the 7m he expects. Currently he is heading toward less guaranteed money.
I thought that was more of a 'I'll put you on the bench and not even bother bringing you on despite warming up' thing. Outside of a major injury I can't see him playing again.
Future earnings are promised and the club now want to break the agreed contract to sell him on elsewhere. Therefore he is perfectly within his rights to negotiate terms to that contract being broken so he can go to another club. He has every right to expect Man Utd to pay him for it.
Debatable. The talk out of the club basically has McTominay and Maguire in the same position - happy to keep them but if a good bid comes in we'll accept. If we take the Maguire talk as just being PR and trying to help push the price up for a player that we actually do want to sell and upgrade, then I'd say the exact same goes for Scott. The only real difference is that Maguire obviously has a higher profile so there's a lot more talk about him in the media.
Alternatively maybe ETH and the club actually are happy to keep both of them, in which case they'll be fairly happy with this news about the West Ham deal falling through (as they would have been a few weeks ago when the same happened with Scott).
This would be pretty annoying, especially if it hampered the rest of our business.
Saw this coming he will still be here until deadline day perhaps a loan deal with view to buy from Aston Villa.
So far, Harry may think and hope (and not without reason) that he may get say 15-20 appearances this season, including 7-10 starts (in all competitions). If another CB comes, then he won’t have reasons to hope for it
Bbbboooo.
Is there some sort of competition going on here for who can write the dumbest post or something?
Maguire is only one or two injuries (not guaranteed but could happen) away getting more minutes by default, if no new defender is added to the team.
The team isn't so deep he's actual surplus.
Those future earnings are based on him being Manchester United Captain and defensive leader.
He isn;t that any more, because he has been utterly hopeless. That is on him, and no one else.