You can't just lump them together like that. They're different players and different people.
The club clearly want to sell Maguire. There's no evidence of the same for Scott. McTominay played yesterday.
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The club clearly want to sell Maguire. There's no evidence of the same for Scott. McTominay played yesterday.
What you just said makes no sense. Again, future earnings are contingent on you still being employed by the club - the moment you're bought out of that contract, it doesn't apply.
United isn't breaking the agreed contract, they are simply selling the player. Maguire has options regarding this though.
He can, 1. - sit his current contract out and keep getting the wages agreed with United or 2. accept to move on - negotiate his wages with West Ham, which are likely to be less that what he's currently on, but the perceived benefits are being a starter again/keeping his England place. It's up to him what he values most.
I think United shouldn't have to give Maguire a pay-off since he's the one who wants the move to get more playing time and keep his England spot.
If he stays - EtH has made it clear that he's happy to have him fight for a place. So I don't see why we need to pay him off
If he stays - EtH has made it clear that he's happy to have him fight for a place. So I don't see why we need to pay him off
West Ham fans rejoicing. Gutted about this.
If he is going to play, it's not punishment either.
He isn't the one pushing for a move, it's the club that is trying to convince him to move.
Are you discounting future cash flows?
And yes, if reports are correct and a severance package is included it tilts things towards the latter option.
Okay Mr T op R edIs there some sort of competition going on here for who can write the dumbest post or something?
Thought this was a representative reaction of most United fans, especially from someone who's usually calm unlike Goldbridge.
Remove him from the list of players for the league and he will get a reality check in the reserves. Just what is needed to let him go.
It is, but does his contract state that? Because that's what matters here. Base salary 100k, +30k for being captain, +60k for being defensive first choice. It maybe should say that, but I think it probably does not for fairly obvious reasons.
We will see Shaw at CB before we see Maguire get a run of games again.
it’s not a great position to be in that he needs everyone bar Lindelof to get injured at the same time to get a game.
What do you mean by discount future cash flows?
@AneRu Still think we should have taken a short term funding to get Kim and pack Maguire later? Stick to what you know mate. Leave the Financials to professionals.
@croadyman was the other one who criticized the club for not going for Kim because apparently we aren't serious enough . We can always sell Maguire later, right.
right @edcunited1878 ?
@croadyman was the other one who criticized the club for not going for Kim because apparently we aren't serious enough . We can always sell Maguire later, right.
right @edcunited1878 ?
"Smithers, are they booing me?"
"Uh no, they're saying boo-urns. Boo-urns!"
"Uh no, they're saying boo-urns. Boo-urns!"
Probably time to extend his contract so he doesn't leave on a free
Just send him to the reserves and promote an Academy player yo take his locker space with the first team.
Troll from maguire to United fans
You have to wonder what kind of stupid contract he was signed up on if he is prepared to sit it out even despite not playing. Is it not standard procedure to incentivise these contracts so you get bonuses for starting and so on?
Even so, a pay off that significant feels excessive and Maguire's a bit of a prick for insisting on it. I'm sure it's not going to be in lieu of a signing on bonus from West Ham, and he needs the game time to stand a chance of reviving his England career. There has to be some sacrifice on his part. I also don't think Ten Hag should be leaving the door open for him to stay once the fee has been agreed, he should be pushing him towards the exit door and I was confused as to why Maguire was on the bench for us last night.
Even so, a pay off that significant feels excessive and Maguire's a bit of a prick for insisting on it. I'm sure it's not going to be in lieu of a signing on bonus from West Ham, and he needs the game time to stand a chance of reviving his England career. There has to be some sacrifice on his part. I also don't think Ten Hag should be leaving the door open for him to stay once the fee has been agreed, he should be pushing him towards the exit door and I was confused as to why Maguire was on the bench for us last night.
He's keeping his place in the England squad. He may not start, but Stones gets injured often, Mings is out, Tomori isn't liked by Southgate for some reason, White is unproven with the Euros next year... And Maguire has started most games for England until now. He's on that plane next year whatever happens, so that's not a sword we can hold over him.
Another reason to hate Southgate if you're so inclined
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Of course. Just like he has every right to stink up the club while standing in the way and simultaneously bleeding it dry. He’ll be hated for it by millions, but he certainly has the right. Come to think of it, Maguire is in line to become part of the Glazer family if this continues!
The horrrrrrrrror
What will that achieve?
If we give him his payoff, it'll recoup United £23m (the £30m fee minus the £7m payoff).
Wehereas if we put him in the reserves, we'll get £0m, lower the potential asking price for future bidders, encumber ourselves with his wages under FFP for no benefit on the pitch/bench, make ourselves look petty to all future signings.
And as far as punishments go, paying him £190k to do nothing isn't exactly a bad one.
He can stay and leave the cones out and in the slab.
Let me have a go:Is there some sort of competition going on here for who can write the dumbest post or something?
Put him on the bench and send him out to warm up every 15 minute without letting him play a single minute. Repeat for next game and continue. Maybe in January he is willing to reconsider his options.
I dont think its true that we're pushing for a move.. all the reporting has been that Maguire was available at the right price. Ten Hag has said that he's happy to have him stay and fight for a spot in the team. He's 1-2 injuries away from starting as well.
I don't think we're desperate to sell him and are content to have him as CB#4 so it comes down to Maguire if he wants to stay or go
And Martial has the right to get paid while he's injured. He's cost United way more than £7m over the course of his time on the treatment table.
Contracts exist to protect the players. Otherwise they'd never sign.
And, of course, those same contracts protect the club from losing their players for nothing. Otherwise they'd never buy.
It's rough with the smooth. We simply have to accept the rough right now.
Knew this was all too good to be true. We've gone from getting around £60million for Maguire and McTominay to both of them probably staying.
This club.
This club.
I’m not
I want him gone so that we can improve our team by getting someone in his place.I really don't get what he's thinking, even if the plan is to rot on the bench and wait it out til next year surely that's not worth the extra few million he will get compared to playing regularly and fighting for a spot in the squad for the Euro's.
Is he broke?
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There goes the Pavard deal. Maybe they can still get him for next Summer in the January window.
I now know the reason for his Nickname - Slabhead. If he really thinks that the Booing was bad before what until the next home game. A player holding the club to ramson even though he is entitled to the money via his contract, most fans wont see it that way and No player is bigger than the club. Harry you really are a Slabhead.
This is a very short sighted move by Maguire if true, his chances of being offered close to 100k p/w contract will only decrease from this point if he delays this for another year or two by playing a bit part role and potentially out of the England’s team as well.
Whoever advises him is doing a terrible job and will backfire. He could have quietly left and rebuilded his career and reputation at a similar stature club to Leicester where he did do very well. I think the level of mockery he gets was far too much and especially since other players are given leeway for extended periods of poor performances. From that perspective Maguire always seemed the odd one out for being singularly targeted and maybe because he's far from glamorous. But this kind of attitude will mean people will continue to focus on every little thing he does because while he can't control a transfer fee he can control his wage demands and this looks like a player more focused on money than football.
But ETH simply cannot share this opinion, it cannot be. Any half decent attack minded manager understands that Maguire doesn’t fit even in his peak career form - and ETH is better than “half decent”.
Quality control
What a joke of a situation. Hope nothing but the worst for the rest of his playing career, absolutely coward of a player. If you want money go join the rest to Saudi Arabia but I doubt they would even want him.
Discounting future cashflows basically means taking into account that money promised in the future is worth less than the same amount of money promised now. The discount refers to the amount of value difference it would take for you to accept the future payment rather than payment now.
For example, if I offer you £100 now or £100 in a year, you would always choose to take it now. Why? Because inflation, money in the bank, things can change etc. So how much would I need to offer for you to think the payment in a year is better? £110, £120? £200?. That concept is the time value of money, and discounting future cashflows is a financial mechanism for taking it into account.
In this case, a contract promising £190k a week that has 24 months left might pay out £18m, but if you were offering to pay someone out of it you would pay it less with a full payment now. How much the discount is varies due to the circumstances. In this case a very cash rich person like a top level pro footballer is probably less in need of the cash now than say you or I might be, so will be more comfortable with receiving the amounts in the future. Therefore there time preference for money will lead to a lower discount being needed.
We don't make those kinds of moves, unfortunately. He'll end up staying at Bayern or going to somewhere like...PSG or Juventus or somewhere. Probably Chelsea, since everyone goes there.
The £7m payoff would have also been requested with that bid.Knew this was all too good to be true. We've gone from getting around £60million for Maguire and McTominay to both of them probably staying.
This club.