I think the misguided belief is the thing that irks people in this situation, but another good point on the family and he is a northern boy. He'd probably be living in Essex too, so would need to be handsomely compensated.
Maguire | he stays!
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No one is saying he should take a pay cut and stay. If he wants to go and only lesser clubs wants him then he has to accept that's his level now and he'll get paid accordingly.
He has every right to stay and just take the money but not to leave and get compensated. The club should call his bluff and see how much he does want to play.
Why are you lot being so harsh on the reserves and u21 teams? It would be really unfair on them if they're told to carry Maguire with even worse players than the first team.
No he is not wholly responsible. We have not treated him like he's valuable (whether he is or not is irrelevant).
no he won't. He can play no games for the next 2 years and would instantly get signed by a PL club in need of an experienced defender. We signed Jonny Evans for fecks sake. I'm sure he'd find a place at West Ham or Everton or Wolves.
Hilarious take at this stage of the season (less than 24 hours after our first game).
Out of interest though, what makes you say that?
It's not just Woodward though. He didn't negotiate the Antony deal of last year, nor Mount this season. All those transfer can very easily go the Maguire route and hurt us in the present and future team building.
I think a lot are missing the point. It's not the current leadership that paid huge money or wages for him, and the current manager doesn't want him. This hanging around for more money, sure he's entitled to do so but this isn't any of the current leadership or managers fault. He's absolutely not going to get any sympathy from anyone for this and I can see ETH holding a grudge if he doesn't move. Unbelievable, genuinely thought he'd care more about his career to move but apparently not.
Surely not the same, I can get sacked at my job for bad performance. That doesnt happen in football.
He's still upset that Ole was fired, and now he wants us to fail so he can be "right" about wanting Ole to stay.
We've signed Evans on a 1 month deal, and to be honest, only because he has an extensive history with the club. The equivalent would be Sheffield United signing him in a few years on a short term deal.No he is not wholly responsible. We have not treated him like he's valuable (whether he is or not is irrelevant).
We signed Jonny Evans for fecks sake. I'm sure he'd find a place at West Ham or Everton or Wolves.
He's 30. It's early retirement and he's negotiating for his pension.
And people here were saying we shouldn’t sell Maguire and Mctominay for anything less than 70m
Well this makes no sense at all because we did agree a fee with West Ham for Maguire. That's not the sticking point here. What a clueless post.
I fear that one might have been McTominay-dependent. If he stays and the Maguire deal collapses, I'd guess that is it for incoming players this summer.
He'll still move. This way, he'll just get an extra £7m out of it.
Have to love an exclusive that says deal off but might be revived. This is just West Ham putting pressure on us to get a hurry on for a replacement.
I already said this multiple times, i'll say it again.
Maguire only cares about the money. And maybe the prestige, bragging rights of being associated with a prestige brand like United.
He doesn't care about playing time. He doesn't care about playing for his country. Southgate picks him anyway, no matter the circumstances because it's a nepotism choice, not a meritocratic one.
I'm slightly surprised there isn't some Saudi buzz around him, but maybe even they don't want him. He would be good for their league as a meme, circus performer/entertainer. He certainly brings attention/views.
Maguire only cares about the money. And maybe the prestige, bragging rights of being associated with a prestige brand like United.
He doesn't care about playing time. He doesn't care about playing for his country. Southgate picks him anyway, no matter the circumstances because it's a nepotism choice, not a meritocratic one.
I'm slightly surprised there isn't some Saudi buzz around him, but maybe even they don't want him. He would be good for their league as a meme, circus performer/entertainer. He certainly brings attention/views.
We’re too soft
Don’t pick him in the squad. Don’t let him train with the first team. Tell him if he’s not found a club by September 1st then he’s not getting registered
Don’t pick him in the squad. Don’t let him train with the first team. Tell him if he’s not found a club by September 1st then he’s not getting registered
It happens (contract buy out) but not as often.
Then again if your current employer had to pay a 6 or 7 figures to your former one to get you onboard, he'd probably think twice about firing you.
Having a DOF doesn’t stop you from signing shit players on big wages.
McTominay is still in the manager's thinking.
If it's "anybody" dependent, it'll be VdB.
We just need to buy a good CB now. By itself it will show Harry that he won’t be playing here any longer.
shoot him if necessary, in the face, with a gun
I'd prefer it if we promoted an academy player and demoted Maguire. Preferably a Greek academy player.
*it's not very effective*
Lesson learned hopefully. Next time don't give out silly contracts to players. Playing for Manchester United should be the pinnacle of a player's career. It's an honor to wear the red shirt. If the player doesn't like the money, just leave the club.
Hope he rots on the bench and loses his England spot
We are still not learning from our mistakes, we are still giving our stupid contracts to new players. How much was Mount around 200 to 250k per week. Rashford is also around 300k a week. Who the feck will buy our players. The reason why we were able to offload Fred and Elanga was because of their reasonable wages. I think some of our Einsteins who deal with contract negotiations would see this after this season.
Add some white text into the settlement...His 7 million will be paid in coins once a week and the drop off point is Morecambe Bay*
*Location subject to change without notice
*Location subject to change without notice
Some of you lot suggesting he walk away from the millions he’s entitled to under his contract would be the same wankers sending around massive typo-filled emails trying to drum up support to go on strike because they reduced the opening hours of the canteen by 15 mins on a Friday.
Ok fair. Another example. James Tarkowski is earning 100k a week at Everton currently.
I know we aren't supposed to think Maguire is anything other than shit on the Caf, but he could easily get a similar deal at a lower PL club after his contract expires at United.
I'm sure he wants to be at the Euros, but enough that you leave 7m on the table? Just stick that in a boring index fund and it's 70m in 30 years
FFS
I knew it. Good things would never happened to us.
I knew it. Good things would never happened to us.
Mount would be doing this to us in a few years, when we all agree he's a shit footballer.
In principle I agree with you outside of Manchester being a shittier place than London or United bench being nicer than being on the field for West Ham. Maguire is entitled to not accept a pay cut but he also needs to think midterm. He has two more years in his contract and if he doesn't play he won't get 100k per week in 2025, if West Ham offers him something like a 4 to 5 years contract at 100k for weeks, he puts himself in a better situation than the current 190k until summer 2025. Unless he thinks that he will get 100k in 2025 and not 50k.
I don't think that he is purely declining this offer for financial reasons, I suspect that his ego is playing a big role.
You're arguing semantics. Nullifying/breaking? What's the difference?
And players are routinely compensated when they move. It might not be the full value of the remaining contract (and if I've said that, I didn't mean to state it because I know clubs aren't just paying out two years' wages), but contracts generally include a loyalty bonus which will often be owed when a club sells a player that hasn't requested a transfer, regardless of their wage at the new club.
I really can't be arsed checking, so maybe some of what I've said has come across as a bit absolute, but surely it goes without saying that there's always a degree of negotiation? Players and clubs are obviously after the best deal for themselves.
And again, semantics. Of course it's not a direct comparison to losing a job, but there are similarities.
Ultimately, contracts are there to be honoured. A club can tell a player he can't move if they want to keep him, and a player doesn't have to move when a club says they no longer want him. Compensation is always going to be due when a contract is cut short. It's the same with any job, regardless of whether you've got another lined up.
Given how clearly the club doesn't want to sign more without first committing sales... Can they even bring someone in now ?
That might be a little harsh, unless the person you ask to do it is a Wolves striker.
What a disaster.
I just remember that interview he gave ages ago when he was being a stubborn cnut after a shiite performance “look I’m the captain of Manchester United…”. It really went to his head didn’t it. he obviously has thick skin to deal with the boos and criticism but it’s very clear to me this guy is an obstinate fcuk. Ole was also a fool to make him captain. Maguire will stay and he will continue his delusion that he is probably still the captain and that he’s good enough to play for United. Just go Harry, swallow your pride.