I don't condone the booing of Maguire but it will be impossible to feel any sympathy for him after this deal collapsing. He's just here for the money now, that's obvious.
Maguire | he stays!
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I don't understand it. After last night, surely Maguire and his agent were like ''ok I'll be a squad player then''.
Not including him on the bench last night would have been the best power move.
We've got £26m of his book value left. If we get a £30m fee, we are +4m.
The problem is that becomes -£3m if it includes a £7m pay off (ignoring just taking him off the wage bill, but we want to sign another player for the same sort of wage in Pavard as it is).
The problem is that becomes -£3m if it includes a £7m pay off (ignoring just taking him off the wage bill, but we want to sign another player for the same sort of wage in Pavard as it is).
There's an odd imbalance in the money and the power.
Maguire demands that he is little or no worse off if he leaves, but he isn't it all responsible for his form decreasing his value so much
Maguire demands that he is little or no worse off if he leaves, but he isn't it all responsible for his form decreasing his value so much
Most of the reporting hints at this being revived later in the window. I think United have to continue pursuing the Pavard deal to force through the exit later, show him there is no path back for him to first team football. Whether we can get the funds signed off for that, I don't know.
He is entitled to it if he stays. If he's happy sitting on the bench and getting paid that money, go for it. You can't change club for the benefit of your England/Club career and demand they pay you what was agreed under totally different circumstances. He shouldn't be happy, but he has to weigh it up against actually playing football. You can't have both.
Tbf that’s on the Glazers. They sign off the budget.
I think the deal had already collapsed by last night, hence the reason he was on the bench
Yes i am as confused as you are my friend.
But in terms of what you can do with your life.
Way to completely miss the point.
Has to go to the Seychelles instead of Dubai?
Apparently I was negative for saying I didn't believe this deal would happen.
This is now Winston Bogarde territory. It’s just makes him look really bad. The fact he is happy to sit on the bench for another couple of years instead of playing for a big EPL club like West Ham is just pathetic.
West Ham are in London, the lifestyle is great there for someone on £100k p/w .
And what about Engurland. Thought he was proud to play for his country. Clearly doesn‘t give two monkeys about playing in the Euros, or playing at all for that matter.
Also, ETH comments didn’t help. “If he doesn’t want to fight for his place then he should go, He is a good player, England’s best centre back.”
I know he‘s trying to be diplomatic in the media but he is giving him false hope. Just leave him out of the match day squad. Maguire probably thinks an injury to Varane and he’s back in the team.
I said it before and I’ll say it again. Utterly shameless
West Ham are in London, the lifestyle is great there for someone on £100k p/w .
And what about Engurland. Thought he was proud to play for his country. Clearly doesn‘t give two monkeys about playing in the Euros, or playing at all for that matter.
Also, ETH comments didn’t help. “If he doesn’t want to fight for his place then he should go, He is a good player, England’s best centre back.”
I know he‘s trying to be diplomatic in the media but he is giving him false hope. Just leave him out of the match day squad. Maguire probably thinks an injury to Varane and he’s back in the team.
I said it before and I’ll say it again. Utterly shameless
Who knows. Maybe the sheer option is enough for him to play hard ball. The world today eh.
I do think most of us would do the same. Double wages is future proofing your family that much more.
I was just kidding, as I said, I can see why you'd fight for it - over the 2 years left on his contract, that's nearly £10M, which is generational money. Why he thinks he deserves it, is odd, if he's accepting he needs to move to get game time.
We should have excluded him from the squad then him and his agent would be forced to look for another club.
Lindelof was the CB sub, so ETH clearly wasn't going to use Maguire.
He should be in trouble anyway. Surely the likes of Stones, Tomori or Ben White have shown in the past 12 months that they are at least at a similar level and realistically way above him?
I know and it will happen again I’m sure because I still don’t see who we have behind he scenes who has the competence to challenge/support the manager. Just a lot of people who will take credit when going well but be blame less when it doesn’t.
I don’t blame Maguire in a way, club wants him to give up 10-15m but they’ll just piss it all away.
Reminds me of Sunderland documentary when their new owners are trying to unsuccessfully force/guilt trip Rodwell to leave and write off his wages and they then go and spunk 3m on Will Grigg.
Deal isn’t off until West Ham buy an alternative. Having said that, Maguire is such a strange character study; it takes some serious stones to stand your ground and line yourself up for what will be almost universal hatred, at the same time, when actually playing, looking like a terrified, nervous wreck. What kind of paradox is he presenting? If you have the nerve to go up against a club and fanbase, how can you be so scared when on a pitch?
Sums up how little self-insight he has. Full of himself and a move to play regularly and play for England is not important enough for him it seems. Shows what his priorities are and that he has no motivation.
Except there has never been a suggestion that he'd be moving clubs because he wants to. It's because the club wants to move him on so they can sign another centre back. All the noises out of his side have always been that he wants to stay and fight for his place.
He will leave I am still confident of that give it another week or so He won't be here .
The poster is correct. He's entitled to the money so the club should fulfill their obligations.
Ok he's not going to be destitute if he leaves but that isn't the point. He's entitled to the money
We did last summer. And seems like this summer again.
He's obviously still going to leave.
It's either £23m for the sale (£30m - £7m). Or it's nothing for keeping him.
People were talking about accepting £20m earlier in the window. £23m will be the final figure. It'll be fine. That's still more or less break-even on his amortised value. Maguire's agent is simply playing the game.
It's either £23m for the sale (£30m - £7m). Or it's nothing for keeping him.
People were talking about accepting £20m earlier in the window. £23m will be the final figure. It'll be fine. That's still more or less break-even on his amortised value. Maguire's agent is simply playing the game.
Where is the "it's not your money anyway" brigade? Will blame anyone who criticizes the absolute stupid spending by the club, but will moan when players will want their contractual obligations fulfilled. Same thing will happen with lots of the overpaid "stars" we have on the payroll.
It somehow just seems thickheaded. I'm not sure he really thinks that far. He just sees the money-bag in front of him and don't think much more about it, until a new problem (hate from the fanbase and no place for England presents itself).
Never on the front-foot, not in real life neither it seems.
I can’t imagine having him and Henderson around the squad not playing is a good idea.
Maybe Nice could come for him to replace one of their departures? Sir Jim to bail us out?
Also, if West Ham really wanted to get him they would have paid him what he wanted. Imagine going to a club who only wants to pay you half your current salary.
Of course West Ham does the right thing here, don’t get me wrong, but whatever Harry does exect staying in United will put him in the losing corner.
But to be fair, he doesn’t care about playing or not, he did that for 12 years. Now he’s earning MONEY instead, that he didn’t do for 12 years.
Of course West Ham does the right thing here, don’t get me wrong, but whatever Harry does exect staying in United will put him in the losing corner.
But to be fair, he doesn’t care about playing or not, he did that for 12 years. Now he’s earning MONEY instead, that he didn’t do for 12 years.
I mean most people are in agreement the value he is assigned in the books was way too high for him.
If he had been a 50m£ signing and let's say at 75% of the wages he is on, moving him for 20-30m wouldn't be as much of a problem and seems fairly in line for a player his age, position and stature.
Both on the bench last night looking sour.
He definitely should be in trouble, he's been an utter disaster for Utd for the last 2 years basically. Atrocious. If Southgate picked players purely on their club form he wouldn't have played since the Euro 2021 final.
He's generally been good for England though and Southgate has a core of favourites he likes to play regardless, Maguire is part of that list.
Maguire seemed quite friendly talking to Martinez.
I really dont feel sorry for Maguire anymore... he has been getting booed by the fans, you would think that he would leave and carry on his career.
Instead, he is pissing the fans even more, I cannot see how he recovers his reputation with the fan base now.
Instead, he is pissing the fans even more, I cannot see how he recovers his reputation with the fan base now.
Depends what he values more, money or career. Obviously money.
A move is his last opportunity to show he is still a somewhat level of player. His career is rock bottom now and for £7M he want to sit on the bench or worse for two years. He won't have a career left by the end of it and will be costing himself more in the long run. He'd be looking at the championship at best.
I hope you're right - but how are you so sure, have you got contacts in the game?
But it says the deal is already off…
Yes, exactly.
We'll have some transfers that are amazing value, some that are terrible value, and plenty in between.
If Maguire's transfer ends up costing us money on his book value, we simply have to take the hit. The real problem was caused by Woodward's inability to negotiate down from Leicester's initial asking price. That forced our hand on the player contract, and now we are where we are.