I'd say it's to do with a decreased wage.
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I'd say it's to do with a decreased wage.
Probably to make up for the difference in pay he’ll be getting at West Ham versus sticking with us.
He's taking a wage cut, so we'll probably pay the difference (or close to it) in a lump sum. Severance isn't the right word.
It's likely he wouldn't make the move otherwise. The fee from West Ham must be enough to offset this payment and still come out positive on the FFP account sheet, or whatever.
It’s probably a pay off from Utd to cover some of the wage cut he will get at West Ham. Probably the only way he’ll agree to leave.
But he has accepted West Ham's offer, no? He doesn't have to agree to go, unless he is being forced out by United. Why is a player entitled to the wage paid by his current club when he's accepting a move to another club? I don't think I've heard of this before.
Fair enough I guess. I just don't think I've heard of this happening before.
If he stays he won't play and cost us a fortune in wages. If he moves with no lump sum, he loses money. Yeah it's shit but I reckon that's the issue.
Probably happens a lot but doesn’t get spoken about.
It's United. Of course, it gets mentioned.
this isn’t new. Other clubs just get a better spin from the media and call it a loyalty bonus like what Barcelona does.
Why? It's not like he's going to lose his pace
After Greece.
Nah his best season was directly after that incident in Greece.
It was after the Euros in 2021 his form collapsed.
Reading have been under a transfer embargo for some time, they cannot pay transfer fees. Since the Savage deal got across the line they have also been blocked from registering players altogether although they were working to have that lifted and may have done so already.
So far as Savage goes, whilst we did not get a fee I would hope that we did ask for a decent sell on clause in his contract as I woul assume that would be allowable even for a free and should protect our interests. In the end we did what we should do with an Academy player that is not good enough for the first team, we helped him get set up with a good deal at a level commensurate with his ability so he can continue his career.
I mean the very definition of a scapegoat is someone who is blamed for the mistakes of others. So a scapegoat wouldn't be someone that's getting flamed for constantly fecking up, and certainly doesn't apply to Maguire
Being the one directly succeeding SAF makes it loom a lot larger than the duration and importance it really has in the grand scheme of things. He was there less than a year and there was only two major recruits (Mata, Fellaini) for sums that would be dwarfed by a summer later for one notable exit (Zaha).
It was probably a doomed assignment for anyone, no matter how talented the manager. SAF knew to operate all the internal and arcane politics of the club. And the competition only got stiffer and stiffer.
I do think some would not be as bitterly vitriolic if LVG or Mourinho would have come directly after that and failed. Moyes being perceived as small time & provincial is an aggravating circumstance. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.
You just know he’s going to perform like Baresi against us.
I wonder if he’ll stick a reducer on Bruno.
I wonder if he’ll stick a reducer on Bruno.
Ah also one player can be the lightning rod for systemic issues. As well as being shit themselves.
Bailly £500k?
Everyone (including Erik, I'm sure) seems to have forgotten about the poor guy.
My coffee table is better than Maguire
Yeah who knows. It’s all water under the bridge now, we talk about it with a faint scene of nostalgia.
It happens pretty much every time a player surplus to requirements and on high wages moves to a 'smaller' club. Smaller in the financial sense I mean, in terms of wage budget/structure.
Normally at United we have to just let the contract run out, as we can never get anyone to take them off our hands and come close to the wages the player is on...
Free transferBailly £500k?
Everyone (including Erik, I'm sure) seems to have forgotten about the poor guy.
We spent 80m as a line of pundits were referring him to being the next Bob Moore and that 2018 world cup display and Woodward & Co went weak at the knees.
let face it its a great deal and puts us on a net gain in the balance sheet of circa £25m
He didn't need more time though, his decision to get rid of the PL winning backroom staff and bring in his guys from Everton was more than enough damage before the season even began.
You need football manager in your life, happens all the time in that. Players won’t leave unless you agree to partial wage coverage switching clubs. Not sure how many players have done this in real life and would love to know of any.
He did convince Kroos to join before he was sacked and that changed his mind. What a player he would’ve been for us back then. Moyes in
We won’t pay the whole difference. Because Maguire also doesn’t want to sit on the bench for two more years not playing and losing his place in the England squad, so there’s value for both sides. I am sure it’ll be paid as pennies on the pound. Maybe as little as 2-3m, or as much as 5m. But never the full 10m. That’s assuming West Han are “only” paying him 100k a week, versus our 190k. They may also be paying him a 2-3m signing bonus so they don’t break their wage structure.
So many factors we aren’t aware of.
I don't think it's new or unique to Maguire or United & I don't think he is entitled to it in a legal sense. Just a further incentive to convince the player to accept a transfer involving a big pay cut. He's not forced out but MU is keen shifting him out.
I think it's all speculation to be fair ? Certainly the sums involved are.
Is this really happening?
Pretty much had to be sold this summer for various reasons.
Happy enough with a £30m fee. He's England's regular CB, so could have got more - but I guess given his age and being out of favour here then it's a fair price.
Disappointing that we're apparently having to fund (in whatever way) the difference in wages. Surely he should be on less money dropping down to West Ham, and now being 30, then the deal he negotiated when his stock was higher? But I guess if he was willing to sit on his contract here and not move without it, then it's best just to get the deal done and a younger, quicker replacement brought in.
Happy enough with a £30m fee. He's England's regular CB, so could have got more - but I guess given his age and being out of favour here then it's a fair price.
Disappointing that we're apparently having to fund (in whatever way) the difference in wages. Surely he should be on less money dropping down to West Ham, and now being 30, then the deal he negotiated when his stock was higher? But I guess if he was willing to sit on his contract here and not move without it, then it's best just to get the deal done and a younger, quicker replacement brought in.
Look to the stars and for a misplaced pass in the direction of London, brother.
This was my view on signing him at the time too. He wasn't that much of an upgrade on Smalling that we needed to splash the cash on him. Should have done like City did and back down for another target. He was good in his first two years here though but everything turned over in Ole's last season. Especially when we played him when he wasn't ready to come back due to desperation and not wanting to trust Bailly.
We spend 80m on him, plus around 40m salary for 4 years (add another 5m for the fee we need to pay him off for his contract worth). That's total 125m investment. And we will receive 30m from West Ham. So that's around 95m net spent on Maguire.
He has 2 decent seasons with us, and 2 very poor seasons.
What do you lot think of that? Tragic decision to bring him in? or just one of those big money deal not coming off as expected?
He has 2 decent seasons with us, and 2 very poor seasons.
What do you lot think of that? Tragic decision to bring him in? or just one of those big money deal not coming off as expected?
So if he gets 90K at West Ham and we promised him 190k, that is a 100k difference for 2 years left in his contract. Even if we pay him for a year, that's lot of money to take out of the 30M we are getting.
Good deal. We can't whine about that fee. He's 30 years old and it's clear that we don't want him.
Of course it’s a big money deal not coming off. We were desperate for a strong CB at that stage and got rinsed by Leicester. But football is not played on a spreadsheet, so let’s leave the “here’s how much money we lost on a player” to the accountants.
A lot of managers take their backroom staff with them, Moyes was just not up to it, sometimes managers don't work out, just like sometimes players don't, the club realized that and got rid of him quickly
West Ham is not a pauper's club though, wages are said to be 100-140k/week in the upper bracket.
Not necessarily the full amount of the difference. No one here knows really. Maybe it's been reported there's some wage compensation scheme ongoing ? It's certainly a possibility.
In truth us peons only get a very broad outline of the money flows that happen on those deals, except for a general sticker price.
There's this idea that once he's left us he'll be going back the being a good defender again at West Ham.
It's fine if you believe that the sum total of his mistakes over the years is explainable by way of pressure, but really it's just a naive point.
He made similar mistakes at Leicester; the only difference is that United fans didn't watch Leicester with any regularity, but I can assure you, the same error laden traits were there even before he joined United.
This isn't some thing that developed in line with his move to United, or is factored on by the presence of pressure. It's just who he is.
So no, I don't buy that moving to West Ham will suddenly mitigate his penchant for egregious mistakes by way of reduced pressure. He'll be largely the same. It's an issue of decision making and of general mobility.
It's fine if you believe that the sum total of his mistakes over the years is explainable by way of pressure, but really it's just a naive point.
He made similar mistakes at Leicester; the only difference is that United fans didn't watch Leicester with any regularity, but I can assure you, the same error laden traits were there even before he joined United.
This isn't some thing that developed in line with his move to United, or is factored on by the presence of pressure. It's just who he is.
So no, I don't buy that moving to West Ham will suddenly mitigate his penchant for egregious mistakes by way of reduced pressure. He'll be largely the same. It's an issue of decision making and of general mobility.