Maguire | he stays!

RedRonaldo said:
We spend 80m on him, plus around 40m salary for 4 years (add another 5m for the fee we need to pay him off for his contract worth). That's total 125m investment. And we will receive 30m from West Ham. So that's around 95m net spent on Maguire.

He has 2 decent seasons with us, and 2 very poor seasons.

What do you lot think of that? Tragic decision to bring him in? or just one of those big money deal not coming off as expected?
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Whatever we might think of it, it will probably go down in history as one of the worst signings a team has ever made. We spent Ronaldo money on a decent centre back.

That's not to say that I personally had anything against the signing, and on paper you could argue he achieved the main thing we set out to do which was get into the champions league - and he was alright for us (and brilliant for England) at times.

There have honestly been worse signings made by other teams and especially by us considering the £ for £ and € for €. Maguire never seems to get injured for long and is good for 60 games a season, which was honestly worth the money Vs Jones and Smalling who played what, 20-30 games at best? He will do fine at West Ham.
 
el3mel said:
We bought him for 80m and sold him for 30m only. Got stripped from the armband along the way.

Absolute fecking disaster of a deal that was from the start. Easily one of our worst transfers ever, maybe even the worst.
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And yet you had him in your 'Post SAF best XI' in 2021.
el3mel said:
De Gea
Valencia - Maguire - Smalling - Shaw
Herrera - Pogba
Bruno
Greenwood - Zlatan - Rashford

Not many great options to choose from, to be honest.
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Lets not rewrite history. The last two seasons have been poor but he had very good spells.
 
He's a fairly good defender so long as he never has to catch anybody. He is a good header so long as it's a clearance and not off of a Man Utd corner. He's a pretty good passer. He's the GOAT as far as pointing and grimacing. Hope he finds his way.
 
GazTheLegend said:
Whatever we might think of it, it will probably go down in history as one of the worst signings a team has ever made. We spent Ronaldo money on a decent centre back.

That's not to say that I personally had anything against the signing, and on paper you could argue he achieved the main thing we set out to do which was get into the champions league - and he was alright for us (and brilliant for England) at times.

There have honestly been worse signings made by other teams and especially by us considering the £ for £ and € for €. Maguire never seems to get injured for long and is good for 60 games a season, which was honestly worth the money Vs Jones and Smalling who played what, 20-30 games at best? He will do fine at West Ham.
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Not a great signing but he was not Nicolas Pepe levels of bad lets be honest. We tend to think we are the only big club to make mistakes but they all do it if you want to look for examples. It is a function of being a big club that you are going to pay big money for players who are supposedly at the top of their game and the spotlight means that those deals will look far worse than they actually are when the player does not live up to expectations.
 
Is it Christmas in the middle of summer? If we get north of £25m net from Maguire, it would be.
 
Gandalf said:
Not a great signing but he was not Nicolas Pepe levels of bad lets be honest. We tend to think we are the only big club to make mistakes but they all do it if you want to look for examples. It is a function of being a big club that you are going to pay big money for players who are supposedly at the top of their game and the spotlight means that those deals will look far worse than they actually are when the player does not live up to expectations.
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I don't remember the chronology of transfers then but the same summer Bayern and Juve both bought CBs for 80m€... Did the United bosses felt they had to make a statement they could too ?
 
As others have said he had 2 good seasons when he joined and the rest have been poor. He dealt with the instant pressure of being named captain after he joined pretty well and remember how we were all hoping he would be fit for the Europa League Final

It seems like his Mykonos incident really affected him and Ronaldo's influence and "aura" coming probably undermined his position as captain. He was rushed back from injury and gave an awful display against Leicester which seemed to be the sign of things to come. Ole and then Ten Hag wanting to play higher up the pitch exposes him alot. West Ham will be a good fit as he gets to sit deeper and good luck to him.
 
Zora said:
:lol:

Ouch, @el3mel has had a shocker here!
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First, I have the above poster on the ignore list so thanks for letting me know he quoted me.

Second, in 2021 his competitors for the spot were Jones, Rojo, Evans, Bailly, Lindelof and Blackett. Yeah he's better than these crap options, it's not rocket science. It also doesn't mean he's good himself. Same for Smalling who is also in this lineup Even though he has been mediocre to bad for us.

In the last line of the post I said there're not many good options to choose from.

Since then we had signed Varane and Martinez whom would easily take both spots.

"Shocker" my arse.

Read through the context.
 
Leftback99 said:
And yet you had him in your 'Post SAF best XI' in 2021.

Lets not rewrite history. The last two seasons have been poor but he had very good spells.
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To be totally fair, in 2021 our Post SAF CB's would have been Smalling, Jones, Maguire, Bailly, Blind and Lindelof. Being chosen out of that bunch isn't really a great endorsement :lol:
 
GazTheLegend said:
Whatever we might think of it, it will probably go down in history as one of the worst signings a team has ever made. We spent Ronaldo money on a decent centre back.

That's not to say that I personally had anything against the signing, and on paper you could argue he achieved the main thing we set out to do which was get into the champions league - and he was alright for us (and brilliant for England) at times.

There have honestly been worse signings made by other teams and especially by us considering the £ for £ and € for €. Maguire never seems to get injured for long and is good for 60 games a season, which was honestly worth the money Vs Jones and Smalling who played what, 20-30 games at best? He will do fine at West Ham.
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Whatever we might think, nobody sensible will regard him as one of the worse signings ever.
 
Cloud7 said:
To be totally fair, in 2021 our Post SAF CB's would have been Smalling, Jones, Maguire, Bailly, Blind and Lindelof. Being chosen out of that bunch isn't really a great endorsement :lol:
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No doubt. Just found it funny someone saying he was our best CB after 2 years at the club, to maybe 'worst ever signing' now. These posters change their mind like the wind.
 
madzo2007 said:
As others have said he had 2 good seasons when he joined and the rest have been poor. He dealt with the instant pressure of being named captain after he joined pretty well and remember how we were all hoping he would be fit for the Europa League Final

It seems like his Mykonos incident really affected him and Ronaldo's influence and "aura" coming probably undermined his position as captain. He was rushed back from injury and gave an awful display against Leicester which seemed to be the sign of things to come. Ole and then Ten Hag wanting to play higher up the pitch exposes him alot. West Ham will be a good fit as he gets to sit deeper and good luck to him.
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100% ... I have no animosity for Maguire it has just reached a point whereby his position here is nigh untenable.... I hope he turns it around... Elsewhere
 
RedSky said:
I don't, it's a load of shite. Best player in the post Sir Alex era?? What a load of bollock. He's been one of the most error prone players since Sir Alex retired and a bloody useless Captain.
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Christ. That post was about Pogba. Latest the racist part should have given it away.
But outcome is the same, it was a rubbish post. I repeatedly see posts that part of the reason people criticised Pogba was some hidden racism. Likely true with some. But then can we apply this “logic” to other players such as Sancho, Rashford or even Lingard as well? The latter didn’t even cost a fee but got so much criticism?
And if there are different/other reasons those players get blame, then are there not also different/other reasons Pogba got blame?
 
Decent player in the right system. He’s just horribly exposed in a modern front foot thinking football team, he’ll most likely be fine at West Ham.. and then the usual suspects will come out and say how wrong we were to get rid of him. Ignoring the fact that West Ham play a completely different brand of football to us
 
Hester_manc said:
It's sad about Maguire, because he has previously shown in several seasons that he can be a really good defender. I think he would have had a chance to get back to this level at United if he had experienced more support. Many fans have been disgusted with him. Fans have been booing him, making fun of him, making mocking videos of him. "Experts" on TV have been after him every single time he made the slightest mistake. It has been a vicious treatment he has received in my eyes and it has made it harder for him to find his old form.

I hope that he gets more peace at West Ham, where he becomes an important player and I hope he returns to his old form and level.
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It's unfortunate that there are so many abusive tweets/posts directed at him, and that's uncalled for.

However, the media is always going to talk about United players, fairly or unfairly. Being a United player put him in their crosshairs, and being the captain meant that he was always going to be under a microscope. It was up to him to manage the pressure of being the United captain, and unfortunately, he couldn't handle that.

I'm sure he'd turn out to be a decent buy for West Ham, and haunt us by scoring a set-piece header or something, after which the media will claim that we're idiots for selling him.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
130k would make him top 2 paid player at the club. I am not sure if they are ready to give that kind of money.
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Knowing how bats*** mad Moyes is over Maguire, I bet they will have sanctioned 130-150k on him a week.

Which is ok now, but in 3 years when he isn't even starting material anymore, that's going to be insane, especially when Moyes leaves next summer and we no doubt get a more progressive manager in to appease the fans.

Therein lies the problem. For today/this season I'm sire Moyes gets a tune out of him and its worth it. Rolling forwards and I'm far from convinced that both Maguire won't deteriorate or Moyes won't be here at all. At which point we have a literally insellable player stuck to us eating 130-150k a week out of our modest wage budget.

Ah well 3 posts left until the daily reset.
 
Koldbeer2021 said:
Rolling forwards and I'm far from convinced that both Maguire won't deteriorate
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Not possible. At this point, he can only improve, seriously speaking. If he gets confidence back, he may do Ok for a defensive team
 
31 this year. Is Maguire really going to find his feet again? Maybe he's just past it. It happens.
 
RedMistyDevil said:
I'm sure he'd turn out to be a decent buy for West Ham, and haunt us by scoring a set-piece header or something, after which the media will claim that we're idiots for selling him.
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Literally couldn't care less if that happened. We're miles better off without him. Why does this even enter your head?
 
FujiVice said:
31 this year. Is Maguire really going to find his feet again? Maybe he's just past it. It happens.
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When you play 10 players behind the ball and low defensive line he will do ok there. Maguire was and is not working in a team that is attacking. Someone will now say, what about Leicester. There were just counterattacking.
 
Anyone else think United should go for Laporte to replace maguire on the bench? Gives cover to Martinez as lcb and he wouldn’t have to move house.
 
Our worst signing ever. It will be a massive relief to see the back of him, cheers Moyes.
 
Blood Mage said:
Our worst signing ever. It will be a massive relief to see the back of him, cheers Moyes.
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Another one who named him in their best XI post SAF in 2021.
Blood Mage said:
De Gea
Valencia - Smalling - Maguire - Shaw
Herrera - Fellaini
Rashford - Bruno - Martial
Ibrahimovic
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Yes I selected Fellaini over Pogba, Carrick and Matic, laugh all you want. He was a very effective player under Van Gaal and made the difference in a lot of matches, especially in 14/15.
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Withnail said:
Literally couldn't care less if that happened. We're miles better off without him. Why does this even enter your head?
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Only that the media will always find something to say about United because it drives their engagement.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
I think it's become a stupid cliche for United fans to call every player that's rightly criticized for poor performance a "scapegoat".

"Oh wonder who the next scapegoat will be?" implies that players don't deserve to be slated when they play like shite.
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Surely this is balls. The reason the deal with West Ham has taken so long was due to Maguires expected demands.

If we've agreed stuff with West Ham with feeding it back through Maguire we've agreed nothing.
 
ColvaleGoa said:
Surely not.

Why pay him off if he wants to go and have dreams of playing for England?
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It is fairly standard in these situations and absent us coming to some arrangement with him over the difference in wages over the next 2 years that he was contracted for the likely outcome would be the deal collapsing due to failure to agree personal terms. The shift in us declining 30M to accepting 30M in the space of 24 hrs is due in part to us getting more of the fee upfront but also probably West Ham upping the salary offer leaving us on the hook for less in terms of severance.
 
I'd be wary about the numbers being reported (...conditionally) pertaining to that issue. 10m£ seems the most extreme scenario of United paying all the difference between his current wages (190k/week supposedly, after being scaled up because of the CL qualification) and something like 100k/week for the whole remaining 2 years of his contract. In reality there's a variety of factors unknown to us (Are you using his base salary or the CL season one to calculate this ? What is West Ham paying him ?) that could be involved and an infinite scale of compromises to be had. None of this is compulsory by law, it's all about what middle ground can be agreed to get Maguire's approval to move.

But yes if true Maguire will probably pocket a handful millions to sweeten his exit.
 
Trex said:
This can't be for real. How can we pay him for future earnings is he going to play for free at west Ham. He can stay then and sit on the bench and continue to be meme lord.
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He’s losing out on up to £10 million by accepting a transfer on lower wages.
 
If we have to pay 10m then let him rot here. This madness needs to stop. If he cant agree lower salary then dont pay out his salary and take the financial hit by keeping him here. This paying off players to leave needs to stop and can only happen if we take a financial hit and let player play reserves football if he is surplus to requirements.
 
Classic article to make us look desperate. The media will try and turn this into a United doing everything to get rid and treating an England 'hero' like crap saga. That may be the case but just report the fee and do one.
 
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