Gotta love calling a player that was absolute tripe for multiple years a “scapegoat”
Maguire | he stays!
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Gotta love calling a player that was absolute tripe for multiple years a “scapegoat”
pogba says hi
This one is a little bittersweet. His heart was always in the right place too bad he always wasn't.
Good for you if you “love” something like this.
Alexis Sanchez says hey
50 million likely from those 3 + Henderson and Williams. There should be enough money to get another midfielder and CB.
Nowhere near the worst. He had 2 good seasons and 2 poor ones. 50% hit rate. Sanchez was absolutely terrible in practically every game. Factor in his 400k pw wages (double Maguires?) and he was far worse. Di Maria was pathetic. Pogba? Lost the full £89m on that one and he didn't exactly cover himself in glory.
As corrosive as we perceive Pogba to have been he did more in his 1st year than Maguire did was really my point. Neither are transfers to write home about but I remember when Harry got the captaincy that ‘my captain’ nonsense when he’d never shown any leadership before, during or since.
At its conception a record transfer for Pogba at that time is understandable, it just went as badly as it could. Maguire however was never a good piece of business.
On the pitch his non-existent leadership & in a number of cases, shambolic displays were as corrosive as anything we’ve seen post Fergie for me.
Is he ...is he...really going? It's like losing a really shit player.
I’m not getting excited until all papers are signed….
Not even close, Pogba was very good at times here. Only non Liverpool/City player to make PFA team of the year in 19.
to his detriment his heroics kept Mourinho in the job for longer than he should have, was our best player in the record breaking run that got Ole the job. It didn't pan out how most wanted overall but he's far from our worst signing
It wasn't great though was it? Terrible sounds a bit entitled but, thinking about it, I don't hark back to bygone seasons and think 'that was a good season because we finished 2nd or 3rd or 5th', I remember how we played and the enjoyment of the year and that stretch from Mou through to Ragnick leaving is by far my least favourite time as a United supporter. There was so much off the field distraction, bad signings, terrible managerial appointments and for my money we played such negative, basic football for the most part.
Maguire isn't to blame for costing so much money or being signed to play a style of football that a teenager can see he's not built for, but it happened and he'll have the scapegoat reputation for the rest of his days sadly. As said, wish him well but hopefully he does leave.
Erik just doing things right.
No questions about it.
Harry, good riddance .
No questions about it.
Harry, good riddance .
Thank god we can all finally move on, both for us and for Harry himself.
Not his biggest fan….
He definitely wasn’t. Some fans just have it out for certain players.Not even close, Pogba was very good at times here. Only non Liverpool/City player to make PFA team of the year in 19.
to his detriment his heroics kept Mourinho in the job for longer than he should have, was our best player in the record breaking run that got Ole the job. It didn't pan out how most wanted overall but he's far from our worst signing
Good player in his day. Very underrated at his peak due to his clumsiness/ungainliness but think he eventually lost confidence and dropped to the level people claimed he was and lost his way. Should never have been made captain but fans were disgraceful with him - the booing was disgusting given he always had a good attitude. The move is best for everyone. Am convinced, he will be Maldini-esque in every game we play him as per but hope it works out for him in every other game.
No. Fair enough.Because it's a discussion forum and I disagree that he was good and want to voice so
I'm happy he's going - even wished him good luck - do I have to lie about how I feel about him as a signing and performances because he's a good pro?
So was Maguire
McTominay has (limited, but) squad utility. Others don’t
Yep. Post Greece both were shite. Except pogba was mostly injured or got himself suspended/Mia when the going got tough.
65000 reasons why he is here and no one will buy him.
I hope we raise 50m+ from Fred, VDB and McTominay.
Telles was 6m. And also there were several other transfers worth 0.7-1m each - Iqbal, Laird, Savage, Bishop…
Fred was better than McTominay last season to be fair. And I think played more, but did not check the minutes (just my guess by watching us play).
I think we should get rid of all of them, sign Amrabat, fully promote Mainoo. Essentially 3 out (Fred, McTominay, VDB) and 3 in (Mount, Amrabat and Mainoo).
It's perhaps a matter for another thread, but how do we judge a signing? It's all a bit subjective.
Pogba was the most expensive signing in the history of this league when we signed him. And he still is the most expensive signing this club has ever made even after 7 years (Antony was £85m and Pogba £89m) without even accounting for inflation. And then he left at his supposed peak at 29 for nothing. He can't be judged by the same standard as Dan James for example, who was bought for pittance and sold for profit, can he?
Was Pogba a bad footballer? No. Did he get even remotely close to achieving what we hoped for given the cost and his ability? Also No. That's a pretty bad signing.
He did show plenty of leadership in those first couple of years when his form was good and we played in a style that suited him. None of that excuses his weakness or his too-frequent errors.
He is a very polarising character. Some cannot see any good. Some turn a blind eye to some of the bad. It turns into a worthless debate.
I realise he is not good enough but I don’t like the plethora of two-faced BS comments along the lines of “wish him all the best but he’s the shittest player ever born”. It’s tiresome.
Fred is in his last year, we can’t lose him for free so must be sold no matter what
So we get 30M and we pay him a severance fee out of that. Wonder how high that is.
Savage was a free transfer and I think the Bishop fee was nominal at best but Laird and Iqbal were in the range mentioned. We also got 75k from our sell on clause for Dylan Levitt so it blows my mind that we have not bid for Mbappe yet.
Depends on the difference between the salaries. With us declining 30m then accepting it the next day, I would assume it's minimal.
£35m
Pennies make pounds init.
Good luck to him.
Severance pay? Huh?
On what planet is Maguire a worse signing than Pogba?
Maguire cost 80m and it looks like we will recoup between a third and half of that fee
Pogba cost 89M and we got nothing for him, I'm pretty sure he earned a lot more than Maguire did as well
If this goes through, I'll call it "The Redemption of Moyes"!