Doesn't mean anything though really. He's the manager, it's not like he's saying "should I?".
What's Figo doing there in the first picture looking all like a little dumb child?
Madrid's deliberate red cards
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Doesn't mean anything though really. He's the manager, it's not like he's saying "should I?".
What's Figo doing there in the first picture looking all like a little dumb child?
Which was the point I made to WireRed, who tried talking on behalf of everyone else in saying everyone would do the samething, when it's clearly not true.
Sorry but that's nonsense. For a start the vast majority of players will never get the opportunity to play in a World Cup, are you suggesting that they don't care as much about playing for their club? That conceding a goal in those circumstances in a league game on Saturday won't matter enough for them to handball it, but raise the stakes and anyone and everyone will cheat?
Deny it all you want, you'd do it if you had any semblence of competitiveness combined with the fact is is a momentary reaction. Do you think if you let the ball go in against your club or national team, the supporters that have followed you and your team would be so understanding of you letting the ball drop in your net when you could have stopped it? It's called being professional. What Madrid did was calculated and underhand, something that they planned and flagrantly carried out.
Both are instances of cheating, but one is instinctive and easier to forgive, the other is cynical and less easier to sympathise with.
Deary me, let's try this again for those at the back of the class.
Have you ever seen a goal replayed to see a defender on the line jumping and craning his neck to try and get his head on the ball?
Again, take your time.
He could asked about that rule because he wasn't sure...
We don't know what he asked him about.
I think the World Cup is by far more important than a league game for your club, maybe if it is a decisive league game in the last days of the season, but playing for the chance to be in the world cup final, I think there's nothing like that.
If I was playing for the world cup semifinals in the same situation that Suarez was, I would try to stop that goal even if I had to put my hand on it, concede a penalty and get a red card.
But if was playing for a league match, say in mid-october, I would not do it, I would concede the goal, after all you got more than 30 games to win the league.
Has anyone mentioned that Stephane Mbia did the same yesterday?
Nah I guess that is out of place.
Nah I guess that is out of place.
Everything you just said implies forethought and consideration, something which we are led to believe Suarez had no time for which makes his offence 'ok'.
Now you're getting it, do you really not think there is a difference between playing a league game on a Saturday afternoon and playing in a World Cup quarter final? Not even sub consciously?
If your team is winning 5-0 and it's the last minute of the game in an ordinary league game against Wigan you are surely less likely to do something which may get you sent off to prevent a goal than if it's 1-1 in the last minute of extra time in a World Cup knock out game, or is that just me?
No, 2 + 2 does not equal 473947.
It's been done before.It's just that this time it's getting a lot more talked about.
Who's he? And if he did then he's a dick as well imo. I don't think anyone on here is complaining because it's Madrid, more the act itself. Although to be fair Alonso isn't the most likable character and Madrid not the most likable team for various reasons.
I haven't seen the question you posed until now. Try not to be so patronising, we are all adults after all aren't we? It's hard to judge with such childish attempts to belittle other people's opinions
As for your question, yes of course, that's because they obviously think they can stop the ball without conceding a penalty, getting sent-off, and ultimately being branded a cheat. If you can't do that though, and the only option is to use your arms, you'd do it because it's the natural, professional, instinctive thing to do.
The point is how many people would have commented had it not been Madrid?
Shit, I dislike the team very strongly yet I still can't see the big issue.
Yes, they did wrong, and they were punished for it!
My problem is with all the strange and weird comparisons to unrelated incidents.
Marseille midfieder, picked up a booking in a decided game roughly an hour before Madrid, in fact the game finished before Madrid kicked off, which ruled him out of the rubber stamp next game.
Strange that there isn't a thread for that...
This should be the final post on this thread and move on. Couldnt sum it up any better.
I haven't seen the question you posed until now. Try not to be so patronising, we are all adults after all aren't we? It's hard to judge with such childish attempts to belittle other people's opinions
You're right there, sorry. I should probably leave this thread, it's frustrating me too much.
The fact that you see goals where the defender has tried and failed to head the ball away shows that your conclusion is false.
Not as many obviously but how many people comment on Ozil, Mourinho and Ronaldo every single day on these boards. They are a high profile club so are bound to get commented on more.
When Tiger Woods was busted for cheating he came out and apologised, why can't Ramos and Alonso do the same. Tiger would never waste time to get sent off if he was playing in the Masters, he may be a cheat but at least he's not a bad sport like those 2 wankers.
Hahahahahaha oh dear. So now those to red cards are being compared to infidelity! Brilliant.
I don't see how, if you feel you can stop a goal being conceded whilst also not risking another goal scoring chance(penalty)and getting a red card, that's again the natural, instinctive action to take. If you think you cannot prevent the goal any other way though, you'd have to be a robot to do nothing at all.
Phil Neville, Ashley Cole, Suarez, Crouch, and Cattermole are high profile examples in recent seasons of this.
All these cases are of instinctive, unplanned cheating. Alonso, Ramos and this French league lad that's been brought up are all cynical, premeditated examples of cheating. I'd say instinctive cheating is more forgivable than a concious effort to cheat the whole concept of fair play.
Do you even realize what you're typing ?
Well for one, I don't consider the Madrid players to have cheated, unless you want to consider time wasting as cheating, which they were rightfully booked for. They have not broken any additional rules.
Secondly, I prefer to judge an incident on the severity of what happened, rather than how much forethought went into it.
I was being sarcastic guys, Jesus.
I'm not saying it was the crime of the century or anything but it was clearly bad sportsmanship and that is all I have left to say on the matter.
Bad sportsmanship happens constantly, in most football games. The "professional foul" is bad sportsmanship if one thinks about it.
I don't see why this is such a big deal. Rules can be used to your advantage if they allow it. This has happened before and it will happen again.
If United did it, everyone one here would be shitting themselves over the brilliant managing of SAF
And it's punished appropriately ... as this should be.
You're missing the point it's the getting of the yellow deliberately that's the cheating we're talking about NOT the offence to get the yellow per se.
Pete you're making up rules, it doesn't work that way.
As it is...
Exactly
They've done nothing wrong. When things like this occur, the onus is on the overseers of the game to change the rules to make sure something like this does not happen. Since there is no specific rule against such action, it is fine.
All managers in all sports push the rules of what is permissible to gain advantage. The rules are then changed.
He was booked in 13th minute.
Before that game Spartak and Marseille had seven points, so when he was booked both teams had still the same number of points and French team could lose that game as well.
You're wrong, that's not the same situation.
For a minute there, my faith in redcafe was gone.