Because some of them, Cal especially, will not hear a bad word said against their Lord Jose Mourinho
Madrid's deliberate red cards
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Because some of them, Cal especially, will not hear a bad word said against their Lord Jose Mourinho
I'm looking at it from a more emotional point of view. I couldn't rule out doing what Suarez did if I was in the same position. I'd never do what Madrid did. In my opinion.
Now you're clutching at straws.
Show me a regulation which states (in spirit or letter) that a player who gets booked on purpose will be liable to punishment further than that dictated by his yellow card, and you'll have a case. Until then you are pissing into the wind.
Because they deliberately got sent off so that they didn't face getting a suspension later on in the competition, they will now be able to make at least one cynical foul each in the knock out rounds and pick up a card knowing they won't have to face a suspension. They should have to face the same risks as other players who have picked up yellow cards in the group stages, if anything the rules need changing and getting a red card shouldn't wipe away the previous yellows, being rewarded for being dirty or time wasting in this case is just ludicrous.
Also time wasting is considered cheating hence the referee giving the yellow card in the first place.
Because some of them, Cal especially, will not hear a bad word said against their Lord Jose Mourinho
This is wonderfully ironic, seeing as the people who are saying there is nothing wrong with it have the rules on their side, whereas the people saying they should be punished have nothing but their dislike for a certain club and manager.
With all due respect, RK, your emotional POV is irrelevant, the only regulation breached was time wasting and they were booked for it.
Should the rules be tighter to prevent this situation from ever happened? Probably, but they're not.
Casillas said after the game that red cards sometimes happen in football and Dudek asked him about his problems with stomach.Love that little caption, it makes it as obvious and damning as it gets, not that it wasn't an obvious set-up anyway.
Casillas told Ramos to be more careful with Ajax striker!
I like how they want to make everyone stupid, but nobody can do with that anything!
You are either missing the point of the entire debate or you are just very slow.
I understand what they did. I also understand why they were booked. What I'm asking is, other than the rule they broke which resulted in the booking, what rule have they broken?
Well that would the regulation posted by peter, a couple of pages back.
Disciplinary code, article 10.
"Unsporting conduct" is a suitably vague offence but I'd say events last night could certainly come under that heading. feck knows if this regulation has ever been used before, or if UEFA have the balls to use it in this instance. It would be hilarious if they did get their ban extended but I won't hold my breath.
I'm not arsed if they are punished or not to be truthful. I find the whole thing a laugh really but only those with a pro-Mourinho agenda(nailed on MUFC gaffer, the best thing since sliced bread etc)can deny what went on and that it's cheating for the sake of the bigger picture.
Whole Poland is in ecstasy, because Mourinho had told Dudek what Alonso and Ramos had to do.
And now he's admired in Poland!
feck, sometimes I really can't stop laughing when it comes to making our footballers the greatest in the world. Welcome to Poland, that's our media. But that's when your players are shit and even a talk with Mourinho and later with Casillas can make front pages in many newspapers.
I don't get what the first picture has anything to do with this scenario. He could be talking about whatever.
Cant believe its being compared to Suarez, that offence was much worse than this.
Madrid arent the first and wont be the last team to do this, big deal. Move on get over it!
Madrid arent the first and wont be the last team to do this, big deal. Move on get over it!
You just edited that before I quoted it to include the point I was going to make; that regulation is incredibly vague and you could argue it applies to any number of things which happen week in week out. United are almost certainly playing a weakened team tonight, that's unsporting because all the team's in the Champions League who play us should have to face the same prospect. So let's hit United with punishment for that.
At the end of the day, you know full well that Madrid have not broken any rules other than the ones they've already been punished for by way of a yellow card.
Again, they've not broken any other rules than the one they were knowingly punished for. And the anti Madrid and anti Mourinho agendas are far more evident in this thread than anything else.
Casillas said after the game that red cards sometimes happen in football and Dudek asked him about his problems with stomach.
Casillas told Ramos to be more careful with Ajax striker!
I like how they want to make everyone stupid, but nobody can do with that anything!
That bolded bit is actually quite believable, Casillas wasn't expected to play due to a stomach bug.
Don't class everyone the same - I hate Mourinho, the guy is a walking normal-looking leper.
An unwritten rule of not acting like dicks. I couldn't give 2 shits about what the idiots at UEFA have written down, I know what feels right and I know what feels wrong.
Making a split second decision and saving my team in the last minute of a huge game and getting myself sent off and suspended would feel 100% right and I'd take the criticism from neutrals and the opposition that came with it.
Getting myself sent off deliberately for time wasting to erase my previous disciplinary indiscretions because I can't trust myself not to cheat in future games and get punished again feels wrong, especially against a club like Ajax who carry so much prestige and have done so much for football through the years, it just shows a lack of respect.
What Suarez did was an instinctive and professional offence, what Madrid did is a blatant corruption of the laws and a slap in the face for fair play and professionalism.
If you can't separate a calculated scam from a split second, natural reaction, you're at best biased or at worst retarded.
offence? didn't he got sent off? didn't Ghana got the penalty?
Spot on.
come on, if Manchester United were in the same situation and you were the manager you would probably tell your players to do the same. stop trying to look like a saint and admit it.
Oh my god. Speaking of bias and retards.
I bet if it wasnt Madrid you wouldnt have even clicked on this thread. You cannot prove it was deliberate can you? Not with 100% conviction.
It's time to get real people.This is "professional football" and specially CL football we're talking about.These notions of "fair play" are rarely taken into account by managers and players.It's winning at all cost most of the time and even more so when you can do it without breaking any rules/laws/whatever
It was deliberate but who cares? I would clap our players if they do the same in the exact same situation, this is the champions league we are talking about, you have to do that kind of stuff if you want to win it.
I just wish we could have done something like that to make Fletcher play the 2009 final.
I know for a fact any other player and indeed any person on here would do exactly the same. Phil Neville did it for Everton against Liverpool a few years ago, it's an instinctive reaction. If anyone here honestly expects someone to let the ball go in their goal when they can stop it with a part of their body, they are robots that have no survival or competitive instincts at all.
No one knew that situation would occur so I highly doubt it was planned, it happened and the boy did what any other person in his shoes would have done.
Madrid's scam was premeditated and as obvious as it gets. Ramos even thanked the ref for Christ sake.
I'll try and remind myself of this in the future, there's no room for debate with people with such stupid ideas as this. The rules don't matter, what I think matters! Jesus...
This is unreal, I can't believe people are even comparing the two incidents, but to say what Madrid have done is worse is beyond the realms of normal stupidity.
A goal was denied but they were given a free shot, so that's OK? I swear to god sense and reason have been totally lost on the caf.
I'm talking about the yellow cards, if you were the Manchester United manager and you were in the same situation, won't you tell your players to do the exact same thing?
That bold's all utter bollocks.
Ever seen a goal replayed to see a defender on the link jumping and craning his neck to try and get his head on the ball? Yes, because it happens all the time, not everyone instinctively stick their hands out.
In fairness if it wasn't Madrid this thread would either have not been started or lasted no longer than half a page. Madrid or not Madrid though, it was a scam and a clear one at that. Nobody can prove it and that's why they'll get off but it's clear to anyone impartial to see what went on and what purpose it served.
Even Marca, Madrid's pocket mouse, know it was a swindle.
I'm joining you right there.
Exactly, spot on.
If it's not that big of a deal, if it's not cheating then why don't the players just come out and admit what they did?
Because they know what they did was wrong, that surely is evidence enough.
Is anybody on here denying it was done intentionally? Or are people simply pointing out that doing it intentionally means nothing according the the laws of the game?
Take your time...
If you have ever played football you know you would have done the same thing Suarez did. We are talking about the world cup, if I was in the same situation I would have accepted that red card with a smile in my face.
You might have done, but that doesn't mean everyone would have.
Answer the question I posed; have you ever seen a goal replayed to see a defender on the link jumping and craning his neck to try and get his head on the ball?
Yep, I'm out. It's hurting my brain too much. We have two sides calling each other retards here, nothing is going to change that.
I suggest others do the same, or if not, don't resort to heavy insults, it's already getting a bit out of hand.
Probably, and I know it probably goes on elsewhere other than Madrid. It is cloak and daggers stuff though, it's beyond me how that is even up for debate.
I couldn't give a monkeys that it was Madrid, I've nowt against them or Mourinho. You don't have to have an agenda to separate right from wrong.
I've seen Lyon player do it a few years ago and admitting it in front of the media without problem.They don't have the obligation to come out in public and say " we took advantage of the rule".Even if it's not cheating, it's not a nice aspect of the game.
Just because they say nothing about it means nothing.
Yes, that happens many times, you are right, but sometimes you just can't get your head in the ball and if you are playing for the World Cup semifinals you would put your hand on it if you had to.
Not really. If Ghana had scored you'd now be banned and out of the competition. Not much smiling going on there in that scenario.
Ok, but do you really think that he told Ramos to be careful with Ajax striker?
Look at Dudek when he's talking to Casillas. He doesn't look asking 'heyo, how's your stomach?'
He's one of Mourinho assistants and it was just seconds before that talk with Dudek.
Ok, but do you really think that he told Ramos to be careful with Ajax striker?
Look at Dudek when he's talking with Casillas. He doesn't look asking 'heyo, how's your stomach?'