They are being reserved for minor competitions e.g Europa League and Carling cup. This allows our top players to best rested for Premier League and F.A. cup. It isn't a champions league winning squad, but it allows us to mount a title challenge as we have enough John O'Shea, Brown, Fortune, Anderson and Cleverley level players to give our big guns a rest and get far in minor comps. You need them less talented players
LVG's Legacy/Foundations
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3 players brought in by Van Gaal have gone already. One can't even get a game for the reserves and three more have played 6 minutes between them. His only successes have been Martial and Blind. With the budget and support he had that is shit.
Frankly to be honest we have no real idea what this squad can or can't win beyond the Fa cup of last season. Because a good number of them are likely to perform much more to their actual talent standard than they ever could under LVG and if they do, our squad might prove way stronger than many of us currently imagine.
His obsession with playing 3 old/past it strikers together in Persie-Falcao-Rooney was a bad misjudgement and then later he went completely the opposite way in playing youngsters who had mixed success. Some parts of his legacy are good, e.g. Rashford, Martial, Blind, Smalling. Ultimately, I don't think he really understood how to be successful in the premier league, which made him look nothing like the legend he was cracked up to be.
Feck's sake, wow what is this guy smoking? Ok, we get it, you absolutely love the erstwhile LVG! When are you going to get it that LVG left no foundations at the club. Whatever remnants he did leave behind are gradually being discarded by Jose and rightly so. His only legacy will be the FA Cup which even wasn't enough to save him. That's how shit he was.
Let's just rename this thread to 10 reasons why @Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber loves LVG and close the fecker. He's history or can't you get over it??
Let's just rename this thread to 10 reasons why @Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber loves LVG and close the fecker. He's history or can't you get over it??
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Can you get over it? Because it seems like LVG either slept with your wife a raped your kid/ a kid you know to the extent that it kills you or anyone to say even the slightest positive thing about him. So much so that you start dreaming they love him so.....
Sounds more like you've been servicing him yourself and you just can't get enough of it! I'm sure there are other 60 year-olds out there you can satisfy? You are a very sad person. Let me tell you something LVG's gone!!
I get a feeling you mean Memphis?
You have some giving him credit for Barcelona's success even though he only spent 6 months there in the last 16 years,with some of those slagging Pep in the process.
Van Gaal was replaced by better managers at both United and Bayern. That is the key to future success.
Zero foundations.
Percy Spencer developed the microwave oven when a Mars Bar in his pocket melted when working on creating magnetrons. A fortunate side-effect to his main plan.
Looney Luis 'discovered' Rashford after his dice-roll of a signing who 'wouldn't play every game' (but subsequently played every game) pulled a hamstring in a pre-match warm-up.
Percy had the wherewithal to investigate and develop his side-effect into a final product. Luckily, Luis wasn't afforded the same time to turn wonderboy Rashford into a first-touch-taking, non-striking, sidewards-passing robot.
LVG left nothing of a legacy at Utd & perish the thought he should be remembered for anything other than a litany of home embarrassments, pseudo-mutiny in the stands at OT and the most boring football many of us have ever had the misfortune to sit through. All this, sprinkled with a Trump-esque arrogance and the veil of broken-English behind which he often hid. No sir, no legacy for me, not by a long shot.
Percy Spencer developed the microwave oven when a Mars Bar in his pocket melted when working on creating magnetrons. A fortunate side-effect to his main plan.
Looney Luis 'discovered' Rashford after his dice-roll of a signing who 'wouldn't play every game' (but subsequently played every game) pulled a hamstring in a pre-match warm-up.
Percy had the wherewithal to investigate and develop his side-effect into a final product. Luckily, Luis wasn't afforded the same time to turn wonderboy Rashford into a first-touch-taking, non-striking, sidewards-passing robot.
LVG left nothing of a legacy at Utd & perish the thought he should be remembered for anything other than a litany of home embarrassments, pseudo-mutiny in the stands at OT and the most boring football many of us have ever had the misfortune to sit through. All this, sprinkled with a Trump-esque arrogance and the veil of broken-English behind which he often hid. No sir, no legacy for me, not by a long shot.
Isn't @Successful a wum account for one of the mods?
Louis van Gaal failed at United but his work while in charge of the Dutch national team is looking better and better and better on the back of their failings over the last couple of years.
Sounds more like you've been servicing him yourself and you just can't get enough of it! I'm sure there are other 60 year-olds out there you can satisfy? You are a very sad person. Let me tell you something LVG's gone!!
News flash pal the whole world knows he is gone. Its crazies like you who haven't quite come to terms with it. That is why you get all hysterical and histrionic at the mention of his name.Sounds more like you've been servicing him yourself and you just can't get enough of it! I'm sure there are other 60 year-olds out there you can satisfy? You are a very sad person. Let me tell you something LVG's gone!!
Memphis, Darmian, Schneiderlin and yes even the much hated Rojo. I mean, look how much better Valencia, Fellaini and Mata already look...
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Words like Legacy and Foundation are perhaps a little too strong, seems to be rubbing some the wrong way, but in a balanced analysis he did leave the odd positive despite a thoroughly underporming spell at the helm of the club.
Some legacy, ruining players' confidence to the extend a solid squad under performs so markedly.
look up the word pyrite. that's what he built his foundations on
The Jose effect can't work with everyone.
you're right. They are winding people right up
. LVG is a Jedi. He mind tricks everyone. His parting statements were“I believe the foundations are firmly in place to enable the club to
move forward and achieve even greater success." No other coach talks about legacies and foundations and gets credited with them. He is a smart man for real. He knows how to play the game.
This sh!t thread still rumbling on?
Legacy? Accidentally presented us with Rashford. Gave us Martial.
Lowered expectations so far, in terms of both league position, and any sort of excitement/goal threat, that this season will be brilliant in comparison.
Legacy? Accidentally presented us with Rashford. Gave us Martial.
Lowered expectations so far, in terms of both league position, and any sort of excitement/goal threat, that this season will be brilliant in comparison.
Nothing accidental about that. LVG said many times that he kept a small squad deliberately in order to give chances to young players. So when we had injuries, he gave chances to Rashford who played brilliantly and then LVG kept playing him.
LVG could have easily kept Hernandez, Nani, Rafael and co and so the likes of Rashford, Fosu-Mensah, CBJ, Lingard wouldn't get any chance to play for us.
So, I give credit to him for playing the young players, for improving Valencia, Fellaini, Young and Smalling, and for signing Martial, Blind, Shaw, Herrera among others. And for making the double over Scousers in both years, for doing well in big matches, and for winning the FA Cup.
In the end LVG undoubtedly failed and he didn't lay much foundation, but there were plenty of positives from his reign. Just that there were more negatives. On comparison, Moyes' only positives were signing Mata and Fellaini, and playing Januzaj.
He said a lot of things. Most of it was utter horsesh!t. Some will still suck it all up though.
Whenever someone insists Rashford was some sort of well thought out plan, I put it to them that he played Will Keane in preference to him. It was Keane's injury that truly left us screwed, and then he turned to Rashford.
Not to forget he brought some authority, confidence and arrogance back to the club. Remember how downbeat and meek we were by the time Moyes left? People were feeling sorry for us for christ sake.
Brilliant.
Results were poor (especially after spending a huge amount of money).
Football was the most boring witnessed in recent times at OT.
Teams like Norwich could come to OT and beat us.
He openly admitted that MUFC were not good enough to attempt to win the league anytime soon (perhaps never) and that we need to lower our expectations.
....but...but, he installed a camera system!!!
I do wonder if some people in here are playing a joke and I am one of the few who are not in on it.
Simply unbelievable.
You are kind of missing the whole point and its always a nice way to divert by picking out a single item out of context and mocking it. No wonder you are wondering if you are missing out on some joke.Brilliant.
Results were poor (especially after spending a huge amount of money).
Football was the most boring witnessed in recent times at OT.
Teams like Norwich could come to OT and beat us.
He openly admitted that MUFC were not good enough to attempt to win the league anytime soon (perhaps never) and that we need to lower our expectations.
....but...but, he installed a camera system!!!
I do wonder if some people in here are playing a joke and I am one of the few who are not in on it.
Simply unbelievable.
Obviously every failed manager has some bright spots. If they were that bad they wouldn't have even made it to top level football. Still imo LVG did more damage than Moyes so it is uncomfortable talking about a "legacy"
Brilliant.
Results were poor (especially after spending a huge amount of money).
Football was the most boring witnessed in recent times at OT.
Teams like Norwich could come to OT and beat us.
He openly admitted that MUFC were not good enough to attempt to win the league anytime soon (perhaps never) and that we need to lower our expectations.
....but...but, he installed a camera system!!!
I do wonder if some people in here are playing a joke and I am one of the few who are not in on it.
Simply unbelievable.
This is the van Gaal appreciation thread (another one). Some people are still mourning and pining for him. Pathetic!
I thought it was the first thing that Jose got rid of? He said it was being used as a petty correctional tool. But I might be wrong on that one.
I also think that was at great risk to league position, Rashford could have appeared in a controlled environment under a stable manager between then and at the age of 23. I am not sure it would have made that much of a difference to his personal development. It is great that we see him now, but he could have played for a couple more years at youth level and I don't think it would have hurt him to. It was definitely a big slice of flukey luck for him.
Disagree 100%
Will forever be remembered for bringing sadomasochism to the back pages of the newspapers.
José has been here for a few months. LVG was here for years. Who do you think has more remains in the club? I bet there are probably papers with tactics and players for the future left in the desk belonging to LVG that José is now stamping as his own.
As I said in the opening post. This thread is where we come to recognize stuff that we believe has some connection to the work LVG left behind. It's a known fact that he's able to build up the core for strong teams. FFS, that names like Xavi, Iniesta and Schweinsteiger means absolutely nothing to you? Let's be serious when discussing this thread. We obviously can't tell what's going to happen NOW. We will only know in a couple of years what were the masterstrokes.
Brilliant.
Results were poor (especially after spending a huge amount of money).
Football was the most boring witnessed in recent times at OT.
Teams like Norwich could come to OT and beat us.
He openly admitted that MUFC were not good enough to attempt to win the league anytime soon (perhaps never) and that we need to lower our expectations.
....but...but, he installed a camera system!!!
I do wonder if some people in here are playing a joke and I am one of the few who are not in on it.
Simply unbelievable.
Whatever silverware we reap in the future is all thanks to SAF! He was here for 25 years and he got us Scholes, Beckham, Giggs etc. This logic doesn't cut it.
People who still support LVG will look to turn any future managers success into LVG's. Whatever we win with Mourinho or any other manager will be credited to LVG, which in all honesty is just idiotic. If a manager as SAF, 10 times the manager LVG ever was, didn't manage to leave a foundation in the squad after he retired LVG will leave even less after him.
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Best to forget about van Gaal. The last three years were depressing as feck. The quicker we forget about it, the better.
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The only legacy he left is his sycophantic horde of disciples who will bestow credit on him for things he didn't do, or things he stumbled on out of necessity.
I'm not even sure Fergie had such staunch defenders.
I'm not even sure Fergie had such staunch defenders.
It's weird isn't it
To suggest that players like Xavi and Iniesta wouldn't have come through at Barca without LVG is absolutely ridiculous. Barcelona are perhaps the only big club that have more of a reputation of playing youth than United themselves. There's no way they would have failed to make it.
Even Schweinsteiger had started playing in CM before LVG came. In fact, I remember reading that during LVG's first preseason, he put him on the wing until the players has a chat and convinced him to put BFS back into midfield.
LVG is a charlatan. Bayern quickly found that out, and I'm glad Ed decided that too eventually. I find it strange that any United fan can defend him when he came and gave us the most boring football played at OT since the Sexton era.
Ridiculous post. How many years ago was that?? So now that Fellaini's the flavour of the month and Jose seemingly can't do without him, of course that's down to Moyes' vision and laying foundations for the club?? Think we need to start a thread on Moyes' legacy/foundations too?Even Jose said himself that he plans to get the players to unlearn everything they've been taught before. I doubt whether he'll be using any of LVGs tactics??? Absurd to even suggest it. That's almost as bad as the guy who said well at least LVG had a camera system installed!
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