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LVG's Legacy/Foundations
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You can't both blame LvG for being an idiot for having a small squad and then say it was a fluke that he was in a position to let young players play.
He kept a small squad which was a mistake, however it let us play youth players instead. That's it, it was a policy of his, keep a small squad to let young players into the first team. It wasn't a luck or fluke, it was his choice.
He kept a small squad which was a mistake, however it let us play youth players instead. That's it, it was a policy of his, keep a small squad to let young players into the first team. It wasn't a luck or fluke, it was his choice.
This couldn't be stressed enough, I thought the likes of Anderson, Cleverley, Bebe etc. were never going to leave. I know some of his signings haven't been doing well but he was pretty ruthless getting rid of Van Persie, Welbeck and those sort of questionable players.
I think Blind at center back has got to be among his best achievements. Not sure why you mentioned Herrera though, he didn't get much of an opportunity because his passing was always risky. Can't thank him enough for breaking the FA Cup curse and his development of Rashford.
At the end of LvG's first season, I was quite hopeful. The next season was a Horror show.
He simply regressed dramatically.
He simply regressed dramatically.
With the spin coming out of united we won't have a clue for a good few years what effect he actually had on players and club behind the scenes. For now players will avoid comments so not to piss people off, remember Blind during the summer. I doubt Mourinho cares because he compliments him a lot but we tend to ignore it and call it digs or whatever suits our tone.
It's not like majority of fans didn't want him gone, the clubs mouthpieces should give it a rest now and move on. He is not saying a bad word about us, why are we trying so hard to drown out a mute voice. Is it guilt or something else? Was there some unkept promises? Does anyone wonder how a manager starts with buying established stars and after a season scrap the whole project for a new one(hence, the lack of progression from 1st to 2nd season)?
Unlike some I liked him and was never bored but at the turn of the year I did say for his own good and ours he should leave. His arrogance was rubbing the wrong way and when you don't have many friends(agents) in the media the entertainment business is a hostile environment to get any job done.
To the OP legacy, even its only one player or lucky gamble. It's a legacy. Not forgetting we finally won the FA cup again in 2016, yep the year LVG won the FA cup.
It's not like majority of fans didn't want him gone, the clubs mouthpieces should give it a rest now and move on. He is not saying a bad word about us, why are we trying so hard to drown out a mute voice. Is it guilt or something else? Was there some unkept promises? Does anyone wonder how a manager starts with buying established stars and after a season scrap the whole project for a new one(hence, the lack of progression from 1st to 2nd season)?
Unlike some I liked him and was never bored but at the turn of the year I did say for his own good and ours he should leave. His arrogance was rubbing the wrong way and when you don't have many friends(agents) in the media the entertainment business is a hostile environment to get any job done.
To the OP legacy, even its only one player or lucky gamble. It's a legacy. Not forgetting we finally won the FA cup again in 2016, yep the year LVG won the FA cup.
many agreed the Earth was flat too......
The Earth, the world or the planet?
A mystery, it's almost like LVG didn't believe in the youth as much as was made out later on. Thankfully we'd loaned out Powell before the Midjtylland game otherwise he'd have been another who would have started before Rashford.
Are you happy to admit that Moyes left a legacy too then???
Yep, he did.. Good or bad he did.
I doubt it.
Many fans seem to rate Perreira very highly.
Yet, with every manager that comes, he never makes the first team or even the subs bench (most of the time).
For example, this season, Jose has sent him on loan.
IMO, I don't think he will ever truly be a MUFC player and will most likely move to another club within 12 months.
Three managers (Moyes, LVG, Jose) don't rate Perreira, which is why Rashford was almost always going to get the nod when Martial got injured in warm up, regardless of who our manager was.
This absolutely has to be a wind up.
I refuse to believe this is a genuine post. I am guessing its a MCFC fan, who is posting in this forum and his mates over at Bluemoon are having a laugh to the replies his posts are getting.
LVG and his darn foundations. If he ran a construction company, we'd never see any buildings. Just lots of deep holes, where foundations of building are being dug.
Nice...Pogba was in this guys list. At least Mourinho listened
90% of managers wouldn't have gone into a league season with an undersized squa though. Either way, it was so far down the pecking order that it didn't matter anymore if Rashford was a success or a failure. I know we see it differently but I just don't really get in this scenario why LVG should get credit. I am not saying don't give him any credit, but plucking this kid out of the 18's and rotating say for example Rooney/Martial out of the blue.. That might give more credence for the idea? I dunno, we literally had nobody else to play up front, nobody else to play on the wing after Depay and nobody to play on the right after Jesse Lingard and/or Peirera.
I dunno, the FA cup is a genuine centerpiece of his time at United and I will be eternally thankful for it but I just struggle to come to grips with giving credit to somebody who completely ruined the squad and sabotaged our ability to command a strong league position all in the aim of letting youth fill in spots. That is such a negligent way to operate, especially if your fans are expecting a league challenge.
This absolutely has to be a wind up.
I refuse to believe this is a genuine post. I am guessing its a MCFC fan, who is posting in this forum and his mates over at Bluemoon are having a laugh to the replies his posts are getting.
LVG and his darn foundations. If he ran a construction company, we'd never see any buildings. Just lots of deep holes, where foundations of building are being dug.
I've been a member of this board for nearly 10 years contributing with comments and contents pro united. I think you'll have to look a long time before you see me on the other side of town.
he apparently wanted to give chances for youth players to come through in cases of injuries to the senior players?
and again, he could have easily played
Depay
Pereira-Mata-Lingard
Instead of
Rashford
Depay-Mata-Lingard
I agree with you that it is quite possible pereira is vastly overrated but at that point we didnt have a choice and we had to play either of them. rashford vs pereira is, if you look at it as on feb 2016, quite straightforward. Pereira has played lots of games at youth levels internationally and for club and scored loads. He even played in the u20 wc. Rashford on that date played like 6 games internationally. by all accounts pereira was a much safer bet than rashford at that point and most managers go for safer options is what i meant. When he played very few knew who rashford was. I remember reading the matchday thread that day and i remember clearly lots of people who were upset that pereira was not playing over rashford.
That in my eyes is an error. A dangerous way to introduce youth prospects and entirely the wrong way. League position never lies. We simply didn't have a good enough crop of young players to do it and league position showed that.
It still remains in my eyes an absolutely awful way to introduce youth. Some kids without even 10 caps to their name just starting at first team level out of nowhere.
He could have easily played anyone. That is kind'of my point about blind luck.
Its not just dumb luck if you chose a player that people wouldnt normally choose and it worked. Unless you think Van gaal didnt have judgement of the youth players. But his record over 25 years prove thats one area he has an excellent judgement in. So yes, I believe he knew what he was doing rather than just picking the name out of a hat which you seem to be suggesting by calling it dumb luck
The guy made many errors of course (which ultimately got him sacked, rightly so) but he clearly gave many chances to young players, a lot of whom who could end up being part of united in at least a squad capacity, by design. Not sure how anyone can blame him for not maintaining a big squad and at the same time say its just lucky the squad was small else rashford wouldnt have played. Surely its one or other. And having caps need not mean anything if you have talent. Fergie himself once sold Kanchelskis for Beckham and Ince for Butt, when becks especially had little to no experience (played about 5 games for PNU in league 1 then).
And going by mourinho's record, its unlikely he would have played rashford in the first team had he not broken through last season. I didnt want LvG managing us this season anymore than you did but that doesnt mean we just act as if he did nothing right. I dont let hate come in the way of facts.
Just as well as you're obviously not capable of providing one.
Come on, that's just the way Mourinho talks. We all know that. He's just unwilling to share any credit with LVG.
First of all I'm happy the discussion is ongoing. I think there are a lot of thoughts that need to be aired and I also see there's still a huge support for LVG on the forum. Who knows, he might make a new appearance at the club in the future
I am very well aware of the fact that his name alone can make this place so hostile, but I think we need to put things into perspective here. First of all I don't think we should compare Moyes with LVG at all. Moyes was a complete charlatan, a fraud of a manager who made SAF believe they had the same philosophy of football just because they had the same backgroundI think SAF need to call that the biggest mistake of his life. Or is there anyone here who would like to argue on that?
Some posters try to make it look like LVG is some harmful insect to clubs and that he never won anything. Are you for real or just trolling? Here's a little something for you:
Managerial honours
Ajax
Barcelona
- Eredivisie: 1993–94, 1994–95, 1995–96
- KNVB Cup: 1992–93
- Johan Cruijff Shield: 1993, 1994, 1995
- UEFA Champions League: 1994–95
- UEFA Cup: 1991–92
- UEFA Super Cup: 1995
- Intercontinental Cup: 1995
AZ
Bayern Munich
Manchester United
Netherlands
Awards and achievements
- 2014 FIFA World Cup: Third place
- World Soccer Manager of the Year: 1995
- Onze d'Or Coach of the Year: 1995
- Rinus Michels Award: 2007, 2009
- Dutch Sports Coach of the Year: 2009, 2014
- Die Sprachwahrer des Jahres (3rd place): 2009
- German Football Manager of the Year: 2010
Manager
Preston North End
Manchester United
Individual
- LMA Manager of the Year: 2002–03, 2004–05, 2008–09
- Premier League Manager of the Month: November 2002, September 2004, January 2006, February 2008, February 2009, January 2010, March 2010, October 2010, September 2012, March 2013
There's a big difference between LVG being worse than Moyes and being in some way responsible for the club looking in better shape now.
He did a very poor job as United manager but certainly did better than Moyes. The only link LVG can claim credit for re the improvements post his reign is that United now has a better manager than him. His biggest legacy that led to long term improvement is being sacked.
Blind at center back and the FA Cup should be about all he's remembered for - and playing the most boring football I've ever had to endure as a United fan. He'll probably be given some credit for Rashford as well but it was definitely just completely out of luck that it worked out for LvG. All the credit should go to Rashford for taking his chances again and again and again - not LvG for having no other options.
Actually, Rashford's emergence was facilitated by lvgenius' policy of handling a small squad, so in the case of injuries it would be an academy player, rather than a squaddie on dubious wages who would step forward. See, Lingard, CBJ + TFM.
So yes, lvg deserves plenty of credit for Rashford.
I'm not naive enough to give van Gaal credit for Rashford. He stumbled upon that by luck.
I'll remember him for bringing us the FA cup, and for subjecting us to the dullest and tumescent football I've ever had the misfortune to watch.
I'll remember him for bringing us the FA cup, and for subjecting us to the dullest and tumescent football I've ever had the misfortune to watch.
That falls apart for me when he began dumping most of the youngsters as soon as a senior player returned. CBJ was dumped as soon as Rojo was back despite Rojo being absolutely terrible at left back. Rashford only stayed on because of how freakishly well he performed. The small squad helped Rashford out and was a decision taken by LvG but I still feel almost all the credit should go to Rashford.
You can leave your work behind, but for it to become a legacy or a foundation you need the club to treat it as such and build on it. United chose not to, the club decided to go on in another direction. That's understandable, the players kept having difficulty with understanding the style of play and were a bit short on technique to execute it well. But Bayern Munich for example didn't and got rewarded. For Barcelona and Ajax it was bit different, because there he only contributed to a legacy that was already there. Because he's very involved with the organizaton and things like the youth academy his contribution is big, but at both clubs there already were foundations of possession based technical football.
I still think it was a mistake and United should have continued with spending on young talents and a small squad to give academy players chances and not get a manager who wants to defend with very expensive players who are the finished product. But the process was discontinued, I expect to see the result of that in the long term, this season United could spend an enormous amount of money, a player like Zlatan was out of contract and the Spanish giants were taking it easy. It's not going to be like that in coming transfer windows.
I still think it was a mistake and United should have continued with spending on young talents and a small squad to give academy players chances and not get a manager who wants to defend with very expensive players who are the finished product. But the process was discontinued, I expect to see the result of that in the long term, this season United could spend an enormous amount of money, a player like Zlatan was out of contract and the Spanish giants were taking it easy. It's not going to be like that in coming transfer windows.
That makes no sense of course. Benching them and even leaving them out of the squad is part of a successful development to starting player. Youngsters come with ups and downs, also CBJ and Rashford. And no matter how talented the youngster is, it's a manager's skill to give them a good start. So there's nothing special with Rashford, CBJ, Martial etc, after Kluivert, Seedorf, Vd Sar, Muller, Badstuber, Xavi, Iniesta etc it was just business as usual for Van Gaal. A lot of the youngsters he has given chances through his career didn't become such great players, but also these great talents were helped a lot by a manager who knows how to break in youngsters.
Hmm, was there a little "Shat the bed" legacy left over from Van Gaal?
Look at how quickly Pep has got City to play a dynamic possession style. LVG took 2 seasons and we just passed the ball from CB to FB all game before booting it to Fellaini. What an absolute charlatan.
I blame this loss on LVG. That is his legacy.
One fan on 606 said yesterday he should never have been sacked.
We got a glimpse of that strong squad he left us tonight. They were all as shit as they were before.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/louis-van-...ative-fast-strikers-ahead-next-season-1560006
Looks like things are starting to come together. I think the fear of dropping Rooney and the betrayal of Schweinsteiger were huge factors in his failure.
Looks like things are starting to come together. I think the fear of dropping Rooney and the betrayal of Schweinsteiger were huge factors in his failure.
Louis talked nothing but shite. Today is a good day I'm refusing to think about that clown.
This thread should be locked so it can't be bumped every time we play well.
This, can't we just forget about the bullshitter ffs.
His legacy is Blind on corners.
LVG did shovel up some of the most rabidly pure cack ever seen at OT but I remember Frank O Farrell & Dave Sexton & believe me the LVG era was far better than those days.
I think that from the FA Cup win against Derby there were definite green shoots of recovery to be seen in our displays the latter part of last season & that most of the criticism on here is horse goot! His youth development was admirable & deserves some respect. That "legacy" has been completely discarded by Maureen & it remains to be seen where this journey takes us.
Ask Conte over at Stamford Bridge what he thinks about our boys legacy there!? LVG finished 5th with an FA Cup in what was a shitey dreadful season for us. At least there was the promise of youth passed on to our successor. What an unholy mess Conte was left with!!
I think that from the FA Cup win against Derby there were definite green shoots of recovery to be seen in our displays the latter part of last season & that most of the criticism on here is horse goot! His youth development was admirable & deserves some respect. That "legacy" has been completely discarded by Maureen & it remains to be seen where this journey takes us.
Ask Conte over at Stamford Bridge what he thinks about our boys legacy there!? LVG finished 5th with an FA Cup in what was a shitey dreadful season for us. At least there was the promise of youth passed on to our successor. What an unholy mess Conte was left with!!
LVG's biggest legacy maybe 2, we have become better in possession at times, while none of us are a fan of pass pass pass, with Jose's more direct style of play wanting the game quicker we are getting a good mix when we play the right players we are good at building the play from the back, and no question VG's decision to promote rashford is one of the best coaching decisions any manager ever done, who will hopefully become one of the best forwards in the world
And this decision saw rashford benefit from this, and look at rashford now, weather many say it was a bad move or a good move, rashford already had displaced rooney in the starting lineup and is averaging a goal a game which is the hallmarks of a top class forward
And this decision saw rashford benefit from this, and look at rashford now, weather many say it was a bad move or a good move, rashford already had displaced rooney in the starting lineup and is averaging a goal a game which is the hallmarks of a top class forward
Betreayal of Schwini?
He obviously lied about his condition to LVG to get a last payday. There's no way he'd get a contract at Man United with the body of a 60 year old. LVG signed him without seeing the full medical report and I'm sure they didn't do a full medical here either out of "respect".
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