LVG's Legacy/Foundations

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He obviously lied about his condition to LVG to get a last payday. There's no way he'd get a contract at Man United with the body of a 60 year old. LVG signed him without seeing the full medical report and I'm sure they didn't do a full medical here either out of "respect".

What bullocks!

Schweinsteiger played 28 matches in Bundesliga and Champions League in the season 14/15 for Bayern after 22nd of November 2014 (he missed the first 18 matches after the World Cup - he only missed 6 after that date - 5 when the flu really hit him in April). And in this season he had a better per minute goal/assist rate as a central midfielder than Rooney had as offensive player...
 
He obviously lied about his condition to LVG to get a last payday. There's no way he'd get a contract at Man United with the body of a 60 year old. LVG signed him without seeing the full medical report and I'm sure they didn't do a full medical here either out of "respect".

Is there any evidence for this? Seems a bit of a stretch. I'm pretty sure the club HAS to do a full medical for insurance purposes.
 
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http://www.sportskeeda.com/slideshow/football-5-similarities-sir-alex-ferguson-louis-van-gaal

Thought this was good and interesting read.

Two of the greatest managers of our generation. Well, perhaps SAF is on a higher level, but still.
 
You could level those points at a lot of managers. Nothing special there really.
 
Van Gaal made mistakes and in his second season his outdated methods were exposed to a greater degree than they were in his first season but in those two years he managed to secure CL football in one and miss out on CL football by goal difference. He wasn't a rip roaring success but he steadied the ship from the Moyes freefall.

Taking side from 1st to 7th vs from 7th to 4th and then 5th isn't spectacular but it's an improvement.
 
His final signings were abysmal.

So much for foundations.
Yeah looking back lvg was a disaster. He bought some good players (blind, martial, herrera) but the signing of players like schweinsteiger, schneiderlin and depay has left us with a hugely expensive yet totally unbalanced squad.

He brought through rashford but there's nothing to say he wouldn't have come through under a different manager. And the football we're playing at the moment makes the dross he served up look even worse.
 
Van Gaal made mistakes and in his second season his outdated methods were exposed to a greater degree than they were in his first season but in those two years he managed to secure CL football in one and miss out on CL football by goal difference. He wasn't a rip roaring success but he steadied the ship from the Moyes freefall.

Taking side from 1st to 7th vs from 7th to 4th and then 5th isn't spectacular but it's an improvement.
Mate he tool over from possibly the most inept manager in United's history and he spent about £350 million. The improvement wasn't sufficient imho
 
Yeah looking back lvg was a disaster. He bought some good players (blind, martial, herrera) but the signing of players like schweinsteiger, schneiderlin and depay has left us with a hugely expensive yet totally unbalanced squad.

He brought through rashford but there's nothing to say he wouldn't have come through under a different manager. And the football we're playing at the moment makes the dross he served up look even worse.
I'll give him massive credit for Blind, brilliant signing.

But Herrera was a club signing that we had failed to sign the season prior.Martial too with the club viewing him as one for the future and only signing him earlier to ward off competition.

The worst thing about Van Gaal' s signings from last Summer is that even he himself had long given up on them before the season concluded. Only Martial made it to the FA cup final team.

The football was the worst thing seen at Old Trafford since the Sexton years. Pointless possession football.
 
Van Gaal made mistakes and in his second season his outdated methods were exposed to a greater degree than they were in his first season but in those two years he managed to secure CL football in one and miss out on CL football by goal difference. He wasn't a rip roaring success but he steadied the ship from the Moyes freefall.

Taking side from 1st to 7th vs from 7th to 4th and then 5th isn't spectacular but it's an improvement.
Plus a first fa cup in 12 years
 
TBH, I didn't mind him faililng at signing the right players - even SAF made bad buys. Every manager ends up wasting money in the transfer market.
The problem I had with LVG was the ridiculously boring football. Boring as in, the most boring team in the league.

And regarding the foundations: every single foundation has been dug up and then re-set again, by Jose.
Jose has even said that it is taking time to get rid of the old mentality of the team (ie. side/back passing and pointless possession).

If only Jose had taken over from SAF - that would've been the best thing.
 
Yeah, it's quite amazing that we happened to win an FA cup (first in 12 years) by playing the worst football this generation of fans ever saw.

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I would like to hear caf users step up to these two guys explaining a bit about football. Would be interesting to hear.

A cup run is a cup run, both Wigan and Portsmouth have won in the last decade and we don't aspire to play like them either.
 
Yeah, it's quite amazing that we happened to win an FA cup (first in 12 years) by playing the worst football this generation of fans ever saw.

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I would like to hear caf users step up to these two guys explaining a bit about football. Would be interesting to hear.
Yes, and if Lingard had of took vg to heart he would of trapped that volley first ...and the chance would of gone
 
Yeah, it's quite amazing that we happened to win an FA cup (first in 12 years) by playing the worst football this generation of fans ever saw.

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I would like to hear caf users step up to these two guys explaining a bit about football. Would be interesting to hear.
:D Did you watch any of United games last season? It was just painful to watch.
 
You know thats the best thing written on this thread. This team the way it playing now is light years away from vg team

Yeah and still people are pining for that clown?? Feck's sake!
 
His final signings were abysmal.

So much for foundations.
Bit extreme. Other than Depay, the other signings were perceived as good purchases at the time. Depay was considered one for the future. The only other exception would be Martial who was an unknown. Don't forget all the Einsteins on here were lapping up Darmian because Valencia is supposedly a crap RB.

The fact Jose hasn't taken a shine to some of them doesn't make them abysmal, just not right for Jose. I would love to understand why Blind or Schneiderlin can't be tried out in Carrick's position.
 
LVG was a crazy, washed up manager who had barely won anything of note in years. The highlight of his career was signing Martial, who he himself admitted was surprised as to how good Martial was. The FA cup win was great and all, but it came at the expense of missing out on top 4 to G/D against our bitter City rivals, all while playing boring, dull football.

Watching United under LVG tested the patience of even the most loyal United fans, it was a chore watching us play under him, more often than not. The enjoyment and excitement associated with watching and supporting United was scarce under LVG. I felt like I was watching United cause I had to, rather than because I loved to.

The football we played wasn't the United way, he wasn't a United manager and I'm happy we are getting as far away from him and his "process" as quick as we can. Jose was the manager for us, everyone after SAF has just been a waste of time.
 
Bit extreme. Other than Depay, the other signings were perceived as good purchases at the time. Depay was considered one for the future. The only other exception would be Martial who was an unknown. Don't forget all the Einsteins on here were lapping up Darmian because Valencia is supposedly a crap RB.

The fact Jose hasn't taken a shine to some of them doesn't make them abysmal, just not right for Jose. I would love to understand why Blind or Schneiderlin can't be tried out in Carrick's position.
Van Gaal himself didn't play them after a while either.So it seems like LVG signed players that weren't right for himself either.

Schneiderlin can't play the Carrick role.Simply doesn't have the qualities for it.

And the Darmian thing was mostly due to the hate that Valencia seem to have garnered around here at the time, which was very stupid.
 
Some of you people are really impossible to please. To me it's starting to clear up a bit what he was actually doing. You look at the transfers (the quiet ones) and promotions he was looking to strengthen the english core. I think that's a honorable thing by a foreign manager.

The transfer market was a big blow to him. His big profile transfers were unfair treatment. Real Madrid knew they were selling a hopeless player. Di Maria is a work horse with flair equipped with an extremely sulky primadonna mentality. Guys like him will never be pleased with anything. Real Madrid are not a selling club - they would never sell a player they need or think highly of. They even let players like Higuain move if they want someone bigger on their scene.

Schweinsteiger was a huge betrayal by Bayern. What looked to be a gentleman agreement turned out to be another fraud, just like the Hargreaves transfer. What would have been their problem was now thrown over on our side! Then they continued with the below belt punches by saying we treated their world beater like a dog, knowing damn well it would have been the exact same thing they'd done and actually was about to do before we stepped into the picture.

Schneiderlin was a huge mistake. Everyone thought the guy was class, but it turned out he couldn't even pass a ball. Not that he needed to do much of that in his previous club. His biggest problem was that he didn't have the big club mentality. He shrunk whenever having to walk on the grass of Old Trafford. Sad but true.

Falcao - anyone trying to be smart here will look very foolish. The equivalent of this signing today would be Ronaldo or Suarez. Then imagine these guys not even being able to play in the U21. Unthinkable. But it did happen, how can you calculate with that???

Memphis - Called play station generation. Not the first dutch player to fail in the PL. Not the last. Not much to say about this guy more than he let his own interest be above the club. A really disloyal player :(

Valdes - not really a signing. He just added to the problems we already had and spread his big star mentality problem in the club. Didn't help us at all even though we gave him the chance to join us. Betrayal.

The squad LVG inherited was nothing. Almost every player was going downhill and the mentality of the club had turned into loser (Evertonian). One could argue LVG had to use a lot of time to deMoyes the players. £350m in transfer costs is not much looking at where we were at the time. Anyone who like to argue with this need to put up their facts. Not much we could have sold to net it out either!!!!!!

Regarding the football being played I don't have much to add. It might not be his strength making average players play quality football. Perhaps he did the most out of what could be done with the material? And do remember the patch Jose went through just recently. It's not easy to get a team work 100%. I don't think Jose could have done much if you excluded Pogba, Ibra, Mhiki and Bailly.

However, the most astonishing thing is the way some board members attack a manager who actually won us something and left us with some useful players. Moyes is one thing but LVG did IMPROVE. I honestly believed in class, history, standing by your own and all that bullshit up until this affair ended. We always cheer our own players when they return playing for another team. Looks like this is don't apply on a FA-cup winning manager. I'd say a lot is down to a video game generation who all of a sudden get to air their opinion from their chair thousands of miles away from where things actually take place.
 
So I guess it isn't just myself and @sunama ay? So this is the world famous trainwreck of a thread you wanted me to come and have a look at? Seems like a real banger of a thread :lol:.
 
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