@Successful good post, thanks, I fully agree with the statement that LVG did improve United players in their tactical understanding. If you listen to him, he insists on the fact that players should think by themselves in the final third so he is relying on them to be "free" and smart about the next move. Our players are not all smart when it comes to football tactics, hence our difficulties. And yes, sometimes, he had weird decisions, but ultimately, some big games were really well handled (the 4:2 vs City or the 3:2 vs Arsenal).
LVG's Legacy/Foundations
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After the first season we can give him an ok as he took over Moyes train wreck, got us 4th and we were beating some decent sides. The thing is he then got worse in his 2nd season, and our overall play the chances created, the goals scored all deteriorated. Thats when you have to blame him. Now in half a season Mourinho has seen where we went wrong adapted our play, got a winning, and certainly not losing mentality and got the fans excited again. I cant understand how anyone can keep trying to find excuses for VG. It isnt like he was a novice manager. he had managed big clubs before, so it should of been easy for him to improve. In fact you could make more excuses for Moyes failling, as he never managed this size of club before.Some of you people are really impossible to please. To me it's starting to clear up a bit what he was actually doing. You look at the transfers (the quiet ones) and promotions he was looking to strengthen the english core. I think that's a honorable thing by a foreign manager.
The transfer market was a big blow to him. His big profile transfers were unfair treatment. Real Madrid knew they were selling a hopeless player. Di Maria is a work horse with flair equipped with an extremely sulky primadonna mentality. Guys like him will never be pleased with anything. Real Madrid are not a selling club - they would never sell a player they need or think highly of. They even let players like Higuain move if they want someone bigger on their scene.
Schweinsteiger was a huge betrayal by Bayern. What looked to be a gentleman agreement turned out to be another fraud, just like the Hargreaves transfer. What would have been their problem was now thrown over on our side! Then they continued with the below belt punches by saying we treated their world beater like a dog, knowing damn well it would have been the exact same thing they'd done and actually was about to do before we stepped into the picture.
Schneiderlin was a huge mistake. Everyone thought the guy was class, but it turned out he couldn't even pass a ball. Not that he needed to do much of that in his previous club. His biggest problem was that he didn't have the big club mentality. He shrunk whenever having to walk on the grass of Old Trafford. Sad but true.
Falcao - anyone trying to be smart here will look very foolish. The equivalent of this signing today would be Ronaldo or Suarez. Then imagine these guys not even being able to play in the U21. Unthinkable. But it did happen, how can you calculate with that???
Memphis - Called play station generation. Not the first dutch player to fail in the PL. Not the last. Not much to say about this guy more than he let his own interest be above the club. A really disloyal player
Valdes - not really a signing. He just added to the problems we already had and spread his big star mentality problem in the club. Didn't help us at all even though we gave him the chance to join us. Betrayal.
The squad LVG inherited was nothing. Almost every player was going downhill and the mentality of the club had turned into loser (Evertonian). One could argue LVG had to use a lot of time to deMoyes the players. £350m in transfer costs is not much looking at where we were at the time. Anyone who like to argue with this need to put up their facts. Not much we could have sold to net it out either!!!!!!
Regarding the football being played I don't have much to add. It might not be his strength making average players play quality football. Perhaps he did the most out of what could be done with the material? And do remember the patch Jose went through just recently. It's not easy to get a team work 100%. I don't think Jose could have done much if you excluded Pogba, Ibra, Mhiki and Bailly.
However, the most astonishing thing is the way some board members attack a manager who actually won us something and left us with some useful players. Moyes is one thing but LVG did IMPROVE. I honestly believed in class, history, standing by your own and all that bullshit up until this affair ended. We always cheer our own players when they return playing for another team. Looks like this is don't apply on a FA-cup winning manager. I'd say a lot is down to a video game generation who all of a sudden get to air their opinion from their chair thousands of miles away from where things actually take place.
Thats not strictly true. How about the do not shoot without trapping the ball first 'philosophy' he had? Thats not letting them be free in the final third.
Having a good control never hurts, look at Herrera trying to shoot on the spot, your probability of shooting the pigeon instead of having a shot on target dramatically increases.
I don't think our players can say that just because they were asked to control the ball better before shooting, they missed all those attacking opportunities. No, our players, in the final third, did not think forward enough, their footballing brain froze, and we had no attacking opportunities, or not enough. Some of them, like Mata or Herrera are intelligent enough to think about the next move, but Martial was too raw, Rashford had some good footballing sense but was also too raw.
What LVG calls controlling and shooting is best illustrated with this goal from Herrera:
Let's not kid ourselves, do we really think that all our players all of sudden started controlling every single ball before shooting? Obviously not. But if it made sense, they would control anyway.
There's no particular way of shooting,sometimes you control the ball sometimes you don't, insisting a player control the ball first before shooting is something only a mentalist like LVG would do. Why are we still having a thread about LVG's foundations by the way, has someone found a way to attribute our current run of good form to him?
Some of you people are really impossible to please. To me it's starting to clear up a bit what he was actually doing. You look at the transfers (the quiet ones) and promotions he was looking to strengthen the english core. I think that's a honorable thing by a foreign manager.
The transfer market was a big blow to him. His big profile transfers were unfair treatment. Real Madrid knew they were selling a hopeless player. Di Maria is a work horse with flair equipped with an extremely sulky primadonna mentality. Guys like him will never be pleased with anything. Real Madrid are not a selling club - they would never sell a player they need or think highly of. They even let players like Higuain move if they want someone bigger on their scene.
Schweinsteiger was a huge betrayal by Bayern. What looked to be a gentleman agreement turned out to be another fraud, just like the Hargreaves transfer. What would have been their problem was now thrown over on our side! Then they continued with the below belt punches by saying we treated their world beater like a dog, knowing damn well it would have been the exact same thing they'd done and actually was about to do before we stepped into the picture.
Schneiderlin was a huge mistake. Everyone thought the guy was class, but it turned out he couldn't even pass a ball. Not that he needed to do much of that in his previous club. His biggest problem was that he didn't have the big club mentality. He shrunk whenever having to walk on the grass of Old Trafford. Sad but true.
Falcao - anyone trying to be smart here will look very foolish. The equivalent of this signing today would be Ronaldo or Suarez. Then imagine these guys not even being able to play in the U21. Unthinkable. But it did happen, how can you calculate with that???
Memphis - Called play station generation. Not the first dutch player to fail in the PL. Not the last. Not much to say about this guy more than he let his own interest be above the club. A really disloyal player
Valdes - not really a signing. He just added to the problems we already had and spread his big star mentality problem in the club. Didn't help us at all even though we gave him the chance to join us. Betrayal.
The squad LVG inherited was nothing. Almost every player was going downhill and the mentality of the club had turned into loser (Evertonian). One could argue LVG had to use a lot of time to deMoyes the players. £350m in transfer costs is not much looking at where we were at the time. Anyone who like to argue with this need to put up their facts. Not much we could have sold to net it out either!!!!!!
Regarding the football being played I don't have much to add. It might not be his strength making average players play quality football. Perhaps he did the most out of what could be done with the material? And do remember the patch Jose went through just recently. It's not easy to get a team work 100%. I don't think Jose could have done much if you excluded Pogba, Ibra, Mhiki and Bailly.
However, the most astonishing thing is the way some board members attack a manager who actually won us something and left us with some useful players. Moyes is one thing but LVG did IMPROVE. I honestly believed in class, history, standing by your own and all that bullshit up until this affair ended. We always cheer our own players when they return playing for another team. Looks like this is don't apply on a FA-cup winning manager. I'd say a lot is down to a video game generation who all of a sudden get to air their opinion from their chair thousands of miles away from where things actually take place.
Seriously??
Seriously, some people really need to get a grip. Why didn't Jose build on LVG's 'foundation' instead of saying that it would take the players a while to unlearn what they had been taught. Why has it taken Jose 4 transferred players and 6 months to make more progress than the last 2 managers in 3 years???
Even now to be defending LVG after his time here is shocking! Can't get my head round it.
Some of you people are really impossible to please. To me it's starting to clear up a bit what he was actually doing. You look at the transfers (the quiet ones) and promotions he was looking to strengthen the english core. I think that's a honorable thing by a foreign manager.
The transfer market was a big blow to him. His big profile transfers were unfair treatment. Real Madrid knew they were selling a hopeless player. Di Maria is a work horse with flair equipped with an extremely sulky primadonna mentality. Guys like him will never be pleased with anything. Real Madrid are not a selling club - they would never sell a player they need or think highly of. They even let players like Higuain move if they want someone bigger on their scene.
Schweinsteiger was a huge betrayal by Bayern. What looked to be a gentleman agreement turned out to be another fraud, just like the Hargreaves transfer. What would have been their problem was now thrown over on our side! Then they continued with the below belt punches by saying we treated their world beater like a dog, knowing damn well it would have been the exact same thing they'd done and actually was about to do before we stepped into the picture.
Schneiderlin was a huge mistake. Everyone thought the guy was class, but it turned out he couldn't even pass a ball. Not that he needed to do much of that in his previous club. His biggest problem was that he didn't have the big club mentality. He shrunk whenever having to walk on the grass of Old Trafford. Sad but true.
Falcao - anyone trying to be smart here will look very foolish. The equivalent of this signing today would be Ronaldo or Suarez. Then imagine these guys not even being able to play in the U21. Unthinkable. But it did happen, how can you calculate with that???
Memphis - Called play station generation. Not the first dutch player to fail in the PL. Not the last. Not much to say about this guy more than he let his own interest be above the club. A really disloyal player
Valdes - not really a signing. He just added to the problems we already had and spread his big star mentality problem in the club. Didn't help us at all even though we gave him the chance to join us. Betrayal.
The squad LVG inherited was nothing. Almost every player was going downhill and the mentality of the club had turned into loser (Evertonian). One could argue LVG had to use a lot of time to deMoyes the players. £350m in transfer costs is not much looking at where we were at the time. Anyone who like to argue with this need to put up their facts. Not much we could have sold to net it out either!!!!!!
Regarding the football being played I don't have much to add. It might not be his strength making average players play quality football. Perhaps he did the most out of what could be done with the material? And do remember the patch Jose went through just recently. It's not easy to get a team work 100%. I don't think Jose could have done much if you excluded Pogba, Ibra, Mhiki and Bailly.
However, the most astonishing thing is the way some board members attack a manager who actually won us something and left us with some useful players. Moyes is one thing but LVG did IMPROVE. I honestly believed in class, history, standing by your own and all that bullshit up until this affair ended. We always cheer our own players when they return playing for another team. Looks like this is don't apply on a FA-cup winning manager. I'd say a lot is down to a video game generation who all of a sudden get to air their opinion from their chair thousands of miles away from where things actually take place.
So basically Van Gaal is shit at player judgement and shit at basic management but apart from that he's a great manager.
The facts are that he spent 350m and took us to fifth while playing the worst football Old Trafford has ever seen. He's also been sacked from almost every job he's had - he's simply not a very good manager.
His legacy is the FA Cup and making us sit through two years of the most boring, soul sucking football I've ever seen.
We've spent the first half of this season trying to convince our players it's okay to pass forward and attack.
We've spent the first half of this season trying to convince our players it's okay to pass forward and attack.
That's unfair thing to say. We got slain in recent years by the like of Everton, Portsmouth, Leeds... and some low league teams under SAF.
This...
The sooner we stop talking about LVG and that ginger Scottish tosser the better..
I agree with some of what you've said and strongly disagree with others. I understand van Gaal isn't Mr popular for some but at least try and not make things up. His spending was under closer to 250m, not 350m. He left Ajax on his own accord in 1997, Barcelona in 2000, AZ Alkmaar in 2009. He was sacked by Barcelona in 2003, Bayern Munich in 2010 and Manchester United in 2016. So, he was hardly ''sacked from almost every job he had'' as you claim. It might be forgotten by some but he was a fine manager with a fine record. He is a man, who was passed his best by the time United hired him, and made inadequate progress across two seasons. As a result, he was rightly sacked for poor results and the poor football over the course of two seasons played a part too.
NB. Apologies if you're exaggerating but there are things in your post i strongly disagree with hence why I've quoted you.
Spot on.Some of you people are really impossible to please. To me it's starting to clear up a bit what he was actually doing. You look at the transfers (the quiet ones) and promotions he was looking to strengthen the english core. I think that's a honorable thing by a foreign manager.
The transfer market was a big blow to him. His big profile transfers were unfair treatment. Real Madrid knew they were selling a hopeless player. Di Maria is a work horse with flair equipped with an extremely sulky primadonna mentality. Guys like him will never be pleased with anything. Real Madrid are not a selling club - they would never sell a player they need or think highly of. They even let players like Higuain move if they want someone bigger on their scene.
Schweinsteiger was a huge betrayal by Bayern. What looked to be a gentleman agreement turned out to be another fraud, just like the Hargreaves transfer. What would have been their problem was now thrown over on our side! Then they continued with the below belt punches by saying we treated their world beater like a dog, knowing damn well it would have been the exact same thing they'd done and actually was about to do before we stepped into the picture.
Schneiderlin was a huge mistake. Everyone thought the guy was class, but it turned out he couldn't even pass a ball. Not that he needed to do much of that in his previous club. His biggest problem was that he didn't have the big club mentality. He shrunk whenever having to walk on the grass of Old Trafford. Sad but true.
Falcao - anyone trying to be smart here will look very foolish. The equivalent of this signing today would be Ronaldo or Suarez. Then imagine these guys not even being able to play in the U21. Unthinkable. But it did happen, how can you calculate with that???
Memphis - Called play station generation. Not the first dutch player to fail in the PL. Not the last. Not much to say about this guy more than he let his own interest be above the club. A really disloyal player
Valdes - not really a signing. He just added to the problems we already had and spread his big star mentality problem in the club. Didn't help us at all even though we gave him the chance to join us. Betrayal.
The squad LVG inherited was nothing. Almost every player was going downhill and the mentality of the club had turned into loser (Evertonian). One could argue LVG had to use a lot of time to deMoyes the players. £350m in transfer costs is not much looking at where we were at the time. Anyone who like to argue with this need to put up their facts. Not much we could have sold to net it out either!!!!!!
Regarding the football being played I don't have much to add. It might not be his strength making average players play quality football. Perhaps he did the most out of what could be done with the material? And do remember the patch Jose went through just recently. It's not easy to get a team work 100%. I don't think Jose could have done much if you excluded Pogba, Ibra, Mhiki and Bailly.
However, the most astonishing thing is the way some board members attack a manager who actually won us something and left us with some useful players. Moyes is one thing but LVG did IMPROVE. I honestly believed in class, history, standing by your own and all that bullshit up until this affair ended. We always cheer our own players when they return playing for another team. Looks like this is don't apply on a FA-cup winning manager. I'd say a lot is down to a video game generation who all of a sudden get to air their opinion from their chair thousands of miles away from where things actually take place.
Spot on? It's a car crash of a post, and I suspect one designed just to wind people up.
The facts speak for themselves, amount of goals scored, shots on goal and chances created were decreasing season on season with Moyes and then lvg.
I'd rather erase my memory and forget them than give undeserved credit
What about goals conceded?
Here's some help: http://fcstats.com/club,statistics,manchester-united,13,50.php
I'm going to tell you once, I've had enough of your wums on this forum. 10 years is enough. How's that for a fact? Consider this a shot across the bows
I'm not even sure what is @Successful trying to say. He just numbered all the bad stuff.
He could have bought good players but didnt. He could have set us up playing better but didnt buy good enough players... it goes in a circle.
Fair play he won Fa cup but other than that he didnt leave much if anything worth remembering.
He could have bought good players but didnt. He could have set us up playing better but didnt buy good enough players... it goes in a circle.
Fair play he won Fa cup but other than that he didnt leave much if anything worth remembering.
And to answer your question;
Over reliance on a world class keeper, a negative formation and tactics which involve keeping the ball but not taking any risks, it's no wonder we didn't concede as many. Add a huge dollop of luck as there was some truly calamity defending at times
Middlesbrough have the 7th best defensive record in the league and are in 16th place. It's easy enough to play super conservative and not get a ton of goals scored against you but that doesn't matter when all your energy is spent on defense and you can't score.
I have zero issue with people hating LVG and not rating. But when I read nonsense like 'Worst football since Sexton', 'made zero progress'. I personally can't accept that shit. Not after enduring Moyes for 8 months, ending up with us out of Europe, trophyless, with a squad sapped of morale and all belief in themselves, playing the most cluless football I've ever seen an incarnation of a United team put up.
Had it not been for a pre-game warm-up hammy twinge to Martial and a squad trimmed down to a has-been undroppable captain LVG may never have stumbled upon Rashford. He was already in the youth system, had zero to do with the Dutch fraud.
While that may be true, he still maintained faith in him for the rest of the season and started him in the FA Cup final. If I were Rashford, I'd still be very grateful to LvG
Van Gaal's legacy is limited to Martial, Rashford, Rojo, Darmian and the development of a few players because Mourinho chose not use it. But reading recent contributions to this topic might give the impression that Mourinho is doing a good job and he got United playing well and scoring lots of points. In fact United is 13 points behind the leader and hasn't beaten a top 4 club, while the current winning streak has a lot to do with wrong off side and red card decisions. But I'll give Mourinho credit for that, because PL referees are generally spineless cowards who are easily intimidated by Mourinho.
It's hard to imagine Van Gaal would have been in a worse position by now if he'd gotten the full support of the board a year ago, with or without spending 300 million in august. This team is helpless without Zlatan, but that's not a transfer policy, that's a one off. Both in his unique combination of skills and importance to a team, and in beeing without contract and fit. It's not like you can get another player like that when he's too old, which can't be long. And even with him it's not very good. You can get another player like Pogba including his ridiculous price, but paying those amounts of money doesn't prevent him playing like a headless chicken. He's got that in common with DiMaria, but the difference is he can't be sold on with less than a 15 million loss on it, it will be difficult to sell him on without losing more than 50 million. Maybe to a Chinese club, they don't have much understanding of football there yet.
But the Chinese spending spree is another reason why putting the emphasis on young players in general and local talents especially wasn't such a bad idea. Clubs that have a policy of buying the finished product for a lot of money will feel suffer the most from the Chinese. Trying to play posession football wasn't such a bad idea either, it is difficult in the PL, especially with players who have been playing in England for a long time, but I saw Real Madrid-Dortmund a few weeks ago and United isn't getting nowhere near that level with this kind of football.
It's hard to imagine Van Gaal would have been in a worse position by now if he'd gotten the full support of the board a year ago, with or without spending 300 million in august. This team is helpless without Zlatan, but that's not a transfer policy, that's a one off. Both in his unique combination of skills and importance to a team, and in beeing without contract and fit. It's not like you can get another player like that when he's too old, which can't be long. And even with him it's not very good. You can get another player like Pogba including his ridiculous price, but paying those amounts of money doesn't prevent him playing like a headless chicken. He's got that in common with DiMaria, but the difference is he can't be sold on with less than a 15 million loss on it, it will be difficult to sell him on without losing more than 50 million. Maybe to a Chinese club, they don't have much understanding of football there yet.
But the Chinese spending spree is another reason why putting the emphasis on young players in general and local talents especially wasn't such a bad idea. Clubs that have a policy of buying the finished product for a lot of money will feel suffer the most from the Chinese. Trying to play posession football wasn't such a bad idea either, it is difficult in the PL, especially with players who have been playing in England for a long time, but I saw Real Madrid-Dortmund a few weeks ago and United isn't getting nowhere near that level with this kind of football.
That says it all.
The foundations which were built were rotten to the core and thank God, they have now been completely uprooted and removed.
We are now playing exciting/attacking football. The fans are excited when a match is scheduled. We look forward to our games.
We have now won 6 league games in a row, for the first time since....SAF! LVG had 2 full seasons to do what Jose has achieved in 6 months.
And during those 6 games, referees have made horrendous decisions AGAINST us...not for us, as your post states. Did you watch the game against Middlesborough? The game against WHU was the first time, where we have profited from bad officiating. The other games have generally been against us. We have only been awarded 1 penalty (I think) so far this season, which is definitely strange.
I am beginning to think that some posters are merely WUMing, because some of what is written in this thread, is absolutely bizarre, almost as if the poster did not watch any of our games last season or this season.
Wasting your time on this one.
A loyal Van Gaal puppet to the very end.
Threatened to stop following United if Van Gaal was sacked and Mourinho replaced him.
I don't think he is Wumming though.Hes just one of those so indoctrinated that Van Gaal can do no wrong with him.
I doubt Lvg himself will take any credit about foundations. These words are thrown around more by people who hate him to take the mickey out of him than anything. His legacy is the FA cup and few players like Rashford, Martial who might go on to have a long successful career at United. Result wise he wasn't so bad but the football was dour enough to mask the good. It's hilarious to see people discuss his influence on player's preferred instinctive decision making in front of the goal. Like come on.
Have people actually forgot about the god awful formations, lineups, positions and substitutes? Things worth remembering are also our pathetic attacking football, our piss poor mentality and games we would just concede and die without even a whimper. If LVG was still in charge I can guarantee that the last two games would ended with either a draw or loss. Tell me about his legacy again. 
Um, that's because it was erm, the worst football at Old Trafford in a very long time. People couldn't even be arsed after a win anymore. That's because the football was sooo bad! That's why not even an FA Cup was enough to save Louis van Fraud. Remember, we were even 10 minutes away from fecking that up as well. The board were not prepared to take another year of that shit....so he was canned. And rightly so.
Darmian, Falcao, Di Maria, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Rojo, Memphis
Shocking transfers.
Shocking transfers.
Can we lock and hard delete this thread and never talk about it again?
Please someone just do it. These saddo LVG die hards are just like the Hydra. Close one thread and another two pop up in their place.
Think the people who don't agree with what's being said on this thread should just not be here & spamming the '' button just because you do not agree. No one cares & your opinion is definitely not better than anybody else's 
' button just because you do not agree. No one cares & your opinion is definitely not better than anybody else's It regressed year on year during those 3 years
Another car crash of a post.
I stopped reading here. I can't imagine what other rubbish is in that wall of text.
Save your attempts for worst post of the year for the end of the year, people will forget about these posts if you make them in January.
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