Mourinho is one of those old school managers who don't need a Director of Football anyway.
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I saw a funny comment that said he doesn't need one as he has Mendes instead.
been posted at least ten times mate
Never gets old...
I did find it interesting when there was that talk about Berta coming in as a DoF that Mourinho was said to be up for it.
When I say interesting, I really mean it didnt make a great deal of sense to me. But that is not to say it was wrong, I just dont know how the thing would be pitched in such a way that it would appeal to him.
When people speculated about United being Mourinho's dream job, part of the reason for that was the perception that at United he would have full control - no interfering owners looking over his shoulder, or DoFs trying to impose players he didnt want on him. That sounds plausible. So it seems odd that we would look change that - or rather, less odd that we would change it, but certainly odd that he would welcome that change.
But again, I just dont know what Berta's remit would be - his, or anyone else brought in in that kind of role. If they are in a supporting role, not imposing players on the manager but collaborating with them to help identify and secure the players they really want, then you can see how it might be appealing.
Obviously he has been doing something right at Atletico, maybe Mourinho has crossed paths with him and is impressed by him, maybe they really could have a good working relationship.
I have a terrible feeling that this will be a long drawn out affair. He can't exactly fire him straight away on Monday if we win tomorrow...
If it isnt done within the first few days I will be seriously worried it isnt going to happen at all. Once the cup is done with there is no reason to wait. Its not like if we give it 3 weeks he wont have won the cup, or he will do something rubbish like lose a couple of easy games that will give us cover to do it. Either he will announce his retirement, which would make it easier for the club as it wouldnt look like we had forced him out, or we have to just rip the plaster off. It has to be in the first couple of days. Im hoping Monday, but I wont start worrying till the end of the week.
Jose didn't want to let KdB move. He was forced to since KdB wanted assurances on starting and frankly, he was not ready at the time - something he himself has admitted to. The mistake, you could argue was not having a buyback clause, which is something the commercial guys should have inserted. It's a similar case with Lukaku who Jose again didn't want to sell, but had to. In both cases, the players have supported Jose's views and Lukaku has said he'd like to work with Jose again having developed a lot more in the time since they were at Chelsea.
As for LvG pi**ing off players, no doubt about that. Way too many in that bracket and I don't think I'll ever get past wondering "what may have been" had di Maria joined under a different manager...
With the rumours of LVG being a candidate as DOF, worth noting that of his signings since he arrived:
Martial; Schneiderlin; Depay; Darmian, Schweinsteiger; Romero; Di Maria; Shaw; Herrera; Rojo; Blind; Falcao
Only the bolded are likely to start the cup final (and I wouldn't be surprised if Rojo didn't). Even allowing for the obvious injuries and a couple of deals being done before he arrived, it doesn't exactly show that keen an eye for a player.
Martial; Schneiderlin; Depay; Darmian, Schweinsteiger; Romero; Di Maria; Shaw; Herrera; Rojo; Blind; Falcao
Only the bolded are likely to start the cup final (and I wouldn't be surprised if Rojo didn't). Even allowing for the obvious injuries and a couple of deals being done before he arrived, it doesn't exactly show that keen an eye for a player.
I think I would rather he just stayed and saw out his final year and then left than stuck around as a DoF, assuming that would mean he will be around for quite some time to come. What would be the point in doing the role short term?
I dont believe it for a minute. But if it happens I think it would be quite possibly the worst possible outcome. With reference to the "Do you trust Woodward" thread, if he did this it would prove to me beyond any shadow of a doubt that he is going to lead us into every pitfall it is possible for us to fall into. It will be very difficult to be optimistic about the future.
It's not just the players though, either. The DoF is supposed to think up the "philosophy" (how I hate this word now!) of the team and the long-term playing style, formations etc. He therefore ensures that the players coming in fit the style of the club, that the various youth teams stick to this and that the entire club adopts the same ethos when it comes to playing styles. The best example is Barcelona of course, where players from all sources fit seamlessly into the first team when required.
Now, imagine (if you can bear it), LvG inflicting the last 2 years of dross and dull football, with no cutting edge, no creativity and minimal risk-taking, on all levels of the club. The eye for a player would really be the least of our issues in this context. He could bring in Messi, Ronaldo, Pogba, Zlatan, Suarez, Bale, Higuain and Neymar in the same window and we'd still play the same s*ite football with about 10 games passing before Neymar and Messi were replaced by Lingard and Young because they're taking too many risks and losing the ball too often. Oh well...
No thats not what they do typically. Its a long way off the mark of the real nuts and bolts of it. So many people are completely confused by the role.
Mutual consent?. I am pretty sure that's how its going to be worded even if he was fired...
I would be more than worried if there was no announcemtnt by the end of next week.
Why? He has failed to meet the minimum expectations and we need to plan for the new season before every decent player has been snapped up, there really is no good way to fire an employee so it should just be done.
Louis has never really 'got' the club, has he? Or even tried to get it. Barely any lip-service paid to our history and traditions (except when moaning how 'unreasonable' these conditions are for him)...Even right now, when Memphis is dropped from the squad, it feels like LVG is more concerned with being personally embarrassed by the players he's vouched for than he is about the club being let down by their poor performances. Nobody wants a United boss to be cravenly ingratiating with the fans, sure, but he hasn't even tried that cheap tactic in his desperate days here. I've never known a football ego like his, even if it has been backed up by success.
Surely they will wait until the Mourinho deal is completely wrapped up before making any official announcements?
I would assume that most formalities are pretty much complete with Mourinho deal, but there often are complications.
Studies have statistically shown that there is less chance of an incident if you do it at the end of the week.
So should we do it on this Sunday then because that's technically the end of the week?
Do enlighten. There are certainly DOFs with duties that encompass more than just transfer dealings such as sporting or technical directors. But the DOF role we are looking at here is mainly one to relieve Ed from transfers, someone to assist the manager build the team he needs. Andrea Berta for example who we are speculated to be after for DOF primarily does that role at Atletico, overseeing the in and outs of players. So do enlighten how long way off the mark it is.
Same. If it isn't announced by this time next week then I'll be in panic mode.
A Dof is a technical director, there is no distinction between them and in theory they are in charge of everything that is not training and selecting the team.
Isn't all twitter talk trash?
Bit unfair in a way though as I would say the following are good signings:
Martial; Schneiderlin; Depay; Darmian, Schweinsteiger; Romero; Di Maria; Shaw; Herrera; Rojo; Blind; Falcao
Martial, Shaw have been very very promising.
Blind, Herrera, Darmian all fit into the solid if sporadic in form, not world class but ok bracket.
Di Maria, Depay, Scheiderlin and even Schweinsteiger/Falcao to a point - have not delivered what we expected but have not become shit players overnight (Di Maria doing well in Ligue 1) and seem more unable to play under VG.
I actually think VG has a relatively good eye for talent but is a terrible man manager and outdated tactician. I still believe Schneiderlin will come good for us and, even though it looks more and more unlikely, Depay.
Winning the FA cup and leaving us with a decent crop of young players is the best way VG can hope to bow out. It would not be golden period in our history but he will have steadied the sinking Moyes ship and, despite some pretty awful football, brought in our first FA cup for a long time. We will thank him for his service, wish him well, close and lock the door behind him when he leaves and be about our business.
Yes he can, if it's going to be done it should be done quickly to avoid mounting speculation.
I remember a few years ago the Irish rugby manager at the time was under pressure from fans and the media made similar arguments in his defence. They talked about the experience of the coaching team and how at least some of them needed to be kept on. It was only when I saw an online blog point out that their experience was mostly in failure than I learned to dismiss their argument entirely.
I believe a lot of clubs with DOFs have differing roles depending on club needs, some more than one Dof and not just a technical director. In theory, it's as you say they can be in charge of football matters but training and team management. But the common role and particular one we are looking at here is a Dof that handles transfers for our manager in place of Ed.
Sorry but this has to be a reality.
Whatever we think of Andreas Pereira, Adnan Januzaj and Memphis individually, what shouldn't be up for debate is that going into this season they were 3 genuine reasons to be excited about our future, he has managed to stagnate and piss off in equal measure, all 3 of them. I'm not one for bowing to player power and I am speaking as someone who unreservedly backed LVG coming into the season but he has lucked into every single one of the young lads that has started under his stewardship he simply needs to go. Add James Wilson to those who have been frozen out for no reason as well.
Whatever we think of Andreas Pereira, Adnan Januzaj and Memphis individually, what shouldn't be up for debate is that going into this season they were 3 genuine reasons to be excited about our future, he has managed to stagnate and piss off in equal measure, all 3 of them. I'm not one for bowing to player power and I am speaking as someone who unreservedly backed LVG coming into the season but he has lucked into every single one of the young lads that has started under his stewardship he simply needs to go. Add James Wilson to those who have been frozen out for no reason as well.
Dropping CBJ from a Cup Final squad & including Phil Jones is an utter disgrace.
Even fit, Jones should be further down the pecking order than any other defender on our books.... Or off our books for that matter!
LVG, once again, surpassing himself on displaying the man-management skills of Hitler.
He is a complete <insert unacceptably foul word here>.
Even fit, Jones should be further down the pecking order than any other defender on our books.... Or off our books for that matter!
LVG, once again, surpassing himself on displaying the man-management skills of Hitler.
He is a complete <insert unacceptably foul word here>.
Sooner he fecks off the better.
Phil Jones ffs
Phil Jones ffs
Would be a very strange thing indeed.
What on earth would his role actually involve?
Head of club philosofolly? Considering how many silly decisions we've made the past few years.
People often harshly label Old Ed as gutless, probably not understanding his role and how you don't just sack someone too early, as you could easily get caught up in having 4 managers a season type fare.
But if we move him upstairs instead of sweeping him out it really will be pure gutlessness.
Apparently he's now had a bust up with Memphis!
I don't understand all these talks about LVG being DOF. Why on earth should we reward failure? This all bit seems like we owe him or are unfairly removing him from coaching duties thus trying to do right by him by giving him the DoF job.
His signings haven't been electrifying the place to be exact and so far hasn't shown anything that would require us to bother offering him the DoF job. This is just an attempt at over complicating things with such a move. Let the guy go on his merry way and that's what he deserves given the extend of his failures.
His signings haven't been electrifying the place to be exact and so far hasn't shown anything that would require us to bother offering him the DoF job. This is just an attempt at over complicating things with such a move. Let the guy go on his merry way and that's what he deserves given the extend of his failures.
Looks like Louie's going for experience but it's not entirely his style.
In Ajax days he would just go with almost full youth and chances are he would win something, too.
In Ajax days he would just go with almost full youth and chances are he would win something, too.
Not surprised really. Memphis is starting to look like Zaha 2.0. Not defending LVG as he's clearly not the best man manger but I would not blame LVG for all of Memphis's short comings.
He needs someone to pull him aside and tell him to check his attitude and be patient. I feel he could become a great player for us under a new manager but he won't get that chance acting like an ass hat.
He's gotten more conservative with age. His tactics, man manage and selections would be enough evidence for that, right?
This just pisses me off. Jones and Rojo in and CBJ is out? How does that make any sense?
To be honest I don't know what to expect but yes, he's definitely in thinking about retirement phase. Pressure and big match stress can also destroy younger players but honestly, CBJ is one of the cooler ones in this squad.
Rojo looked confident at WC but that conservatism didn't worked for him well. The risk is there.
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