If you've seen 7th, what's worse in seeing 5th other than arguing semantics for the sake of arguing.
I don't think Ed or the Glazers give a flying feck about the fans. If they did, VG would have been out in Decemeber.
I think it's a decision between risking missing out on the top 4+Adidas revenue by persisting with VG and getting a top manager not well liked by some of the members of the board . This is why I am fairly confident that VG will be sacked for Mourinho after the cup final.
Paul Ince thinks we should keep him.... How is it anything like saf? He's leaving next year anyway!!
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...ester-United-triumph-FA-Cup-final-News-Gossip
How do you know he doesn't have quintaphobia?If you've seen 7th, what's worse in seeing 5th other than arguing semantics for the sake of arguing.
I don't think Ed or the Glazers give a flying feck about the fans. If they did, VG would have been out in Decemeber.
I think it's a decision between risking missing out on the top 4+Adidas revenue by persisting with VG and getting a top manager not well liked by some of the members of the board . This is why I am fairly confident that VG will be sacked for Mourinho after the cup final.
Are you like 2? Moyes took us to 7th.
The continuity argument is so fecking idiotic I can't believe there are people thick enough to make it.
How can Ince and others like him totally fail to factor in the reality that LVG will be gone in a year's time? The only valid reason to keep him on at the expense of signing a better manager like Mourinho, with time on his side, would be if there was clear progress from last season. Which would more or less have to be a strong title challenge this season, or a comfortable top three finish alongside good performances in the CL (semi-finals).
. The fans clapping after every dross game is appalling.
@Twigginater Your views on anything LvG related have to be taken with a huge pinch of salt given you want him see out his contract. You're an odd one, you seem to fancy yourself as some sort of superior fan and yet you to indulge in mediocrity when it comes to the club.
Couldn't care less if he stays or goes. He's got us higher than we were when he come in, done well in the FA cup and has played a lot of youngsters.
I don't think I'm a superior fan. I don't go that often to Old Trafford.
However when you have people over reacting and acting like LVG is an abomination and talking down the FA Cup and refusing to have any kind of meaningful conversation about the relative position it's toxic. We have fans who are spoiled here and to here numerous people slamming the home support who've bothered to go on a Tuesday night to clap off the fans is a joke.
You have voted for him to see out his contract, though? Surely you do care if stays or goes; if you don't, then that's bizarre. It's abundantly clear that the man is taking us nowhere. I certainly care if he stays or goes as I want the man gone asap. He's not the right manager for us and after two seasons, that's painfully clear. I have absolutely no idea how you could be content / happy with what he has done with us.
I'm sure the majority on here want to win the FA Cup by the way, in fact, I would wager all United fans do. Why wouldn't they? That's not the point though, is it? The point is that yeah we may win the FA Cup but LvG has still massively underachieved and has to go. There's a toxic atmosphere because people are genuinely worried for the future of the club and what managerial situation we will be in come next season.
I voted that ages ago. If he's fired, then there's a case for that. If he stays. There's a case for that.
We have finished fifth, hopefully will win a cup. Introduced two phenomenal youngsters to our attack and have the best defence in the league. It's a good basis to build on. Add in Luke Shaw and a "Martial" on the right I reckon we'd challenge for the league next year.
I voted that ages ago. If he's fired, then there's a case for that. If he stays. There's a case for that.
We have finished fifth, hopefully will win a cup. Introduced two phenomenal youngsters to our attack and have the best defence in the league. It's a good basis to build on. Add in Luke Shaw and a "Martial" on the right I reckon we'd challenge for the league next year.
... I reckon we'd challenge for the league next year.
Phenomenal? Stop that, Roberto!
Yeah we have a good enough squad but we ain't challenging for the league or nothing like it under LvG. What indications have you seen that point to a league challenge next season under LvG? Have you watched us play at all? We are pretty terrible and have failed to beat all sorts of dross this season. LvG has to go so that we can make a title challenge next season.
A lot of that is in spite of him, not because of him. Our defence has been masked by the fact that Smalling is a beast, and DDG is the best goal keeper in the world. The introduction of youth players is because the youth is doing really well, that's not under his direction. Sure he's bought a few young players, but most of them have come through our academy or were already planned before he arrived(Shaw).Best defence in the league. Better attacking at the end of the season. Introduction of great young players. Young squad relatively.
Paul Ince thinks we should keep him.... How is it anything like saf? He's leaving next year anyway!!
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...ester-United-triumph-FA-Cup-final-News-Gossip
A lot of that is in spite of him, not because of him. Our defence has been masked by the fact that Smalling is a beast, and DDG is the best goal keeper in the world. The introduction of youth players is because the youth is doing really well, that's not under his direction. Sure he's bought a few young players, but most of them have come through our academy or were already planned before he arrived(Shaw).
Better attacking? It was 2/3 games at most. He can't get his philosophy to stick, or be in any way consistent.
Twigg, at this stage if you think he's capable of leading this time to the next level, then I don't think you're being objective about it.
Not much to prove that he'll be able to do it. Smaller squad, lack of creative players, inability to coach a consistent game that works/beats the opposition.
His methods are outdated and flawed,his style is slow and ponderous and his management style is backwards.
Best defence in the league with only one good defender. Wonder if it has more to do with keeping 7-8 players behind the ball at all times and refusing to take risks in any shape or form.
Youth getting chances, great, but they wouldn't be getting those chances if everyone was fit. Or if LVG hadn't fecked up the squad depth. And for every Rashford there's any number of Lingards.
Best defence in the league. Better attacking at the end of the season. Introduction of great young players. Young squad relatively.
A lot of that is in spite of him, not because of him. Our defence has been masked by the fact that Smalling is a beast, and DDG is the best goal keeper in the world. The introduction of youth players is because the youth is doing really well, that's not under his direction. Sure he's bought a few young players, but most of them have come through our academy or were already planned before he arrived(Shaw).
Better attacking? It was 2/3 games at most. He can't get his philosophy to stick, or be in any way consistent.
Twigg, at this stage if you think he's capable of leading this time to the next level, then I don't think you're being objective about it.
Not much to prove that he'll be able to do it. Smaller squad, lack of creative players, inability to coach a consistent game that works/beats the opposition.
His methods are outdated and flawed,his style is slow and ponderous and his management style is backwards.
Best defence in the league? Statically yes, but we look a mess under any sort of pressure defensively. There's some good young players alright, and hopefully we get a new manager who can work with them because LvG painfully isn't the right man to get the best out of this team.
Best defence in the league. Better attacking at the end of the season. Introduction of great young players. Young squad relatively.
When LVG tries to pursuade an attacking talent to join us with promises of fluid attacking minded football. Who is going to believe that at this point? He can also tell the truth ''you shall have very little chances every game but you have to score. One chance, one goal, simple, yes? You shall sometimes play in your favoured position but mostly according to my genious plan''
It's hard to have any faith in a manager who stated that Rooney was his main striker...and this worked out so badly that now Wayne is a midfielder.When LVG tries to pursuade an attacking talent to join us with promises of fluid attacking minded football. Who is going to believe that at this point? He can also tell the truth ''you shall have very little chances every game but you have to score. One chance, one goal, simple, yes? You shall sometimes play in your favoured position but mostly according to my genious plan''
This. Also, when you think of great managers, most leave a trail of players who would willingly follow them. You hear of all sorts of names linked each time a Pep, Jose etc. move. True also of Klopp, Ancelotti and co. Yet, with LvG, we increasingly hear only of players who would definitely not move to join him. How many players - aside from the Dutch national team - have ever expressed a longing to reunite with him? On the other hand, players like Toni, Ribery, Zlatan, di Maria etc. form a wide array of proven attacking talent that openly declares their hatred for the man and their desire to never be associated with him again. It's not funny after a point.It's hard to have any faith in a manager who stated that Rooney was his main striker...and this worked out so badly that now Wayne is a midfielder.
Isn't this vote a bit pointless? Surely no-one thinks we should sack him between now and Saturday
This. Also, when you think of great managers, most leave a trail of players who would willingly follow them. You hear of all sorts of names linked each time a Pep, Jose etc. move. True also of Klopp, Ancelotti and co. Yet, with LvG, we increasingly hear only of players who would definitely not move to join him. How many players - aside from the Dutch national team - have ever expressed a longing to reunite with him? On the other hand, players like Toni, Ribery, Zlatan, di Maria etc. form a wide array of proven attacking talent that openly declares their hatred for the man and their desire to never be associated with him again. It's not funny after a point.
Isn't this vote a bit pointless? Surely no-one thinks we should sack him between now and Saturday
Joint best defence because we did not let any team have the ball whilst we backwards passed them to tears. Funny how Tottenham achieved the same defensive stats as us but scored 20 more goals and played much better attractive football. I'd be interested to see the stats based on the goals we conceded and the possession of those teams who scored them, I certainly believe we would have shipped a lot more if the we had played less negative. Also our defence being tight has a clear impact on us actually scoring goals at the other end, I think it is quite misleading as when we had to attack teams to win important fixtures we conceded goals quite easily and looked very poor and disorganized at the back, especially in the CL.
De Gea is immense and Smalling has had his best season which has helped of course but I don't believe we could hold out to teams so well if we didn't play this ultra boring and defensive shite week in week out. Conceding the least means shit when you cant score or do not even set out to score more than one goal per game as Louis has us playing.
I want him gone with a passion, regardless of Mourinho coming or not.
Sacking him now could give us a massive confidence boost.
Could the reason for OT still clapping/signing autographs etc. be that with United being the club that it is, we have amassed a wide variety of fans and perhaps a higher percentage that aren't irate, angry, blokey lads who might be more inclined to show their disapproval?
