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Do you want LVG sacked?

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YzWayne said:
The club might still be sitting on the fence.
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That's the thought that worries me. How anyone could have watched us this season and still remained on the fence makes me wonder what (and why) they wonder...

ZupZup said:
There was booing for the stewards who were being a bit over zealous with the pitch invading kid and an older gent who I presume was the kid's father.

That had subsided though before LVG's speech and the booing started again when it was announced he was going to say a few words. The polite applause during his speech came when he thanked the fans for their excellent support all season... that is not applause for LVG, but fans applauding the support shown by their fellow supporters.
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Should hope you're right. Didn't make it to the game, but if I had (and it shames me to say this), I'd have booed him too. I couldn't care less if folks think that's "not done". Frankly, the way this cnut has treated every supporter of this club is what's not done. Telling us our expectations are too high and expecting us to actually appreciate the shite the team's served up...
 
soapythecat said:
The childish side in me would like to see the club announce his sacking at about 10pm tonight, just after Liverpool win the EL. That way we will have the headlines tomorrow. Win-win in a period when we have absolutely nothing to be excited about.
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This. Cos I can't get over how we didn't show up to let them get though.
 
I chose "Evaluate at end of season" and I definitely want him out now.
Top 4 is NOT unrealistic and if he disagrees then he can go retire.
The season has not been good enough and this is the final straw.

I frankly don't care if he wins the FA Cup or not, he has to go.
 
It will never happen, but how good would it be if he got unceremoniously sacked this week, Utd announced Mourinho & let Giggs manage for the FA Cup!

Oh to dream :D
 
K2K said:
He isnt the only one:

Luca Toni



Lucio



Since van Gaal didn’t have a spot for Lucio in the first team, moving to Inter Milan and helping them win the 2010 Champions League against his former club Bayern Munich.

Giovanni



Rivaldo



Van Gaal responded by saying:



Rivaldo had this classic retort:
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It does sum it up, what is so ironic, we have VG blaming scholes if he gets the sack, look at the things people have said about scholes, and the things people have said about VG, its like 2 ends of the spectrum. The reality is? VG is just not a nice person. When we were all in school we all had that teacher that had nothing going for him/her they were ever nice, they saw it has a job without the other part of what makes the job work, making sure the relationship with the players was good. Managers need to balance when to have a good relationship with the players, and when to show the athority. It seems VG thinks to gain respect and being completely void of anything likable about him is the same thing. Players gain respect for their managers when the manager can see both sides, and he takes in new idea's. The difference between great managers and VG, top managers know when to be a dictator, and when to evolve. There was a reason why William Bligh was mutinied 3 times, and that is what VG is, the william bligh of football
 
In a season where potentially five English clubs could qualify for champions league, for Man Utd not to be one of them is unacceptable. This alone should be reason enough to sack him.
 
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Ish said:
Do some really still need to wait for the FA Cup final to "evaluate at the end of the season"? Is that 1 match really going to sway a yes/no decision?
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The people who voted in that option may be too tired of LvG to sit and change their choice.
 
Ish said:
Do some really still need to wait for the FA Cup final to "evaluate at the end of the season"? Is that 1 match really going to sway a yes/no decision?
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I said Champions League qualification or I wanted him sacked and that remains the case. Haven't changed my vote yet because some people have been arguing he should be sacked before the cup final, which I think is a ridiculous idea, so "Yes, sack him now" isn't an accurate description of my view.
 
Hate Vangle for putting United fans in the position where we can't even celebrate an FA Cup win without thinking that by winning we risk putting the future of the club at risk i.e. earning him the stay of execution.

In an ideal world, we win the FA cup.. and he fecks off. I really want this trophy, but I want him gone more in truth. I am sure I am not alone in thinking that.

Fans clapping deserve a slapping, end of. It is borderline mentalist to cheer him on in the current situation, they must be undercover dippers who want the club to fall into freefall. It is a neglectful way of supporting a club.. and does not put the health of the club first, it is to satisfy their egos that they are somehow better fans.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I said Champions League qualification or I wanted him sacked and that remains the case. Haven't changed my vote yet because some people have been arguing he should be sacked before the cup final, which I think is a ridiculous idea, so "Yes, sack him now" isn't an accurate description of my view.
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Aargh, makes sense. Apolgies. I guess I never considered the now to be that literal.
 
Red_Aaron said:
not surprised by his comments as the arrogance of the man has never been in question,it was one of the things i used to like about him
bottom line though louis is that any inadequacies in the squad are entirely down to you, your intent to move players on in the summer was sadly not matched by your intent to bring in suitable replacements. Prem teams have big squads, our domestic calendar is bloated and we play a shit tonne of games his outdated ideas of squad composition don't hold here/now. The greatest manager these shores has seen always had big squads but LVG thought he knew better, the worst part of this is he suffered with the same injury issues last year and yet didn't learn his lesson instead he brought injury prone schweiny and played him every week until he broke
Also, digging out the fans is really unnecessary. Whilst a good lot of talk on here is about expectations my experience at the ground over the last two seasons isn't like that at all. LVG has received incredible support from match goers, the only expectation they have is for entertainment and the football on show this season has been a disgrace. had we been able to see progress in the style of play and an attacking verve I've no doubt he'd get the time to finish his '3 year process' with the view of a foundation being laid for the next manager. At the moment though you cannot see any signs of progression or evolution i have no idea where this team is going and if he's intent on retiring next season there is literally no point in him staying.
Win the FA Cup then close the door behind you
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That is because, in the eyes of Bayern Munich CEO "Van Gaal is advice resistant". His philosophies are absolute
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I said Champions League qualification or I wanted him sacked and that remains the case. Haven't changed my vote yet because some people have been arguing he should be sacked before the cup final, which I think is a ridiculous idea, so "Yes, sack him now" isn't an accurate description of my view.
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I agree we shouldn't be sacking him before the cup final. Just want to add though it is as ridiculous an idea, as this sight is disgusting if we win...
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Edit: Spoilered it, found it too annoying to watch myself
 
Oneunited26 said:
It does sum it up, what is so ironic, we have VG blaming scholes if he gets the sack, look at the things people have said about scholes, and the things people have said about VG, its like 2 ends of the spectrum. The reality is? VG is just not a nice person. When we were all in school we all had that teacher that had nothing going for him/her they were ever nice, they saw it has a job without the other part of what makes the job work, making sure the relationship with the players was good. Managers need to balance when to have a good relationship with the players, and when to show the athority. It seems VG thinks to gain respect and being completely void of anything likable about him is the same thing. Players gain respect for their managers when the manager can see both sides, and he takes in new idea's. The difference between great managers and VG, top managers know when to be a dictator, and when to evolve. There was a reason why William Bligh was mutinied 3 times, and that is what VG is, the william bligh of football
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Exactly this.

He seems to relish this vindictive part of his personality for some reason. A good manager is able to master the balancing act, being authoritative when need be, and also having a soft side and being able to treat players like human beings.

For me, the Toni quote is the one that rings the most true. He really does treat players like interchangeable objects, and will hang them out to dry if need be. Thats why his stints everywhere never last, people get sick of him quite quickly.
 
Ish said:
Do some really still need to wait for the FA Cup final to "evaluate at the end of the season"? Is that 1 match really going to sway a yes/no decision?
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As others have said, when the poll went up, I chose 'evaluate at the end of the season', so I see no point in changing it. It makes no difference if I change it or not, does it? For what it's worth, if he goes I won't shed a tear, and if he stays I won't throw a tantrum.

I wrote a big long post explaining my thoughts on the matter, but I just deleted it. I'm not going to sway anyone who wants him gone, so what's the point? I'd only end up with people highlighting things I wrote in order to challenge them.
 
Oneunited26 said:
that is what VG is, the william bligh of football
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Similarly, there's no bounty in sight.
 
Badunk said:
As others have said, when the poll went up, I chose 'evaluate at the end of the season', so I see no point in changing it. It makes no difference if I change it or not, does it? For what it's worth, if he goes I won't shed a tear, and if he stays I won't throw a tantrum.

I wrote a big long post explaining my thoughts on the matter, but I just deleted it. I'm not going to sway anyone who wants him gone, so what's the point? I'd only end up with people highlighting things I wrote in order to challenge them.
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Yeah agreed. It's only going to end up going around in circles again, with everything (good and bad) being mentioned again and again.

I guess my question wasn't for people to change their votes, but posed more along the lines of ascertaining if there really are those who'd be keen to give him his final year?

If you're on that train of thought, I wouldn't mind having a PM discussion with you. I'd be keen to read your line of reasoning. Otherwise, no worries bud.
 
There is no reason for him to stay and the more I think about it he must be going at the end of the season:

I think the nail in his long overdue coffin will be the fact he only has one year left on the contract. He has missed CL football and for 250million + has the chance to win an FA cup...not exactly the best return. Given there is only a year left he cannot keep saying they are building, or it's a project because we have gone backwards.

he will always be remembered as a phenomenal coach given his trophy cabinet but is clearly unsuited to the PL. Proof again it is the hardest league to win and I am excited at the prospect of Guardiola, Mourinho, Poch, Klopp, Wenger (who will no doubt bottle it again) next season with honourable mentions to Bilic, Koeman and Ranieri of course. IMO only great managers missing are Simeone/Ancelotti.
 
Badunk said:
As others have said, when the poll went up, I chose 'evaluate at the end of the season', so I see no point in changing it. It makes no difference if I change it or not, does it? For what it's worth, if he goes I won't shed a tear, and if he stays I won't throw a tantrum.

I wrote a big long post explaining my thoughts on the matter, but I just deleted it. I'm not going to sway anyone who wants him gone, so what's the point? I'd only end up with people highlighting things I wrote in order to challenge them.
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As someone who feels the same I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.
 
Badunk said:
As others have said, when the poll went up, I chose 'evaluate at the end of the season', so I see no point in changing it. It makes no difference if I change it or not, does it? For what it's worth, if he goes I won't shed a tear, and if he stays I won't throw a tantrum.

I wrote a big long post explaining my thoughts on the matter, but I just deleted it. I'm not going to sway anyone who wants him gone, so what's the point? I'd only end up with people highlighting things I wrote in order to challenge them.
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In a non confrontational way i would be very interested to hear positives for him staying. Earlier in the season I was really hoping for us to do well and for him to ride out the hate but the situation feels so irreversible that a new manager is seemingly the easiest and best option.

Agree on your point about evaluating at end of season. After all, he has got us to the FA cup final, at least let him try and win it.
 
Raees said:
Fans clapping deserve a slapping, end of. It is borderline mentalist to cheer him on in the current situation, they must be undercover dippers who want the club to fall into freefall. It is a neglectful way of supporting a club.. and does not put the health of the club first, it is to satisfy their egos that they are somehow better fans.
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that is a load of bollox

I keep seeing this over recent weeks. Those sitting at home watching from their sofa have no right to judge match going fans on how they choose to support the team

If you want to cheer, fecking cheer likewise boo your heart out if thats what you want. You have paid to get there and for a ticket. As long as you arent hurting anyone do what the feck you want
 
Badunk said:
As others have said, when the poll went up, I chose 'evaluate at the end of the season', so I see no point in changing it. It makes no difference if I change it or not, does it? For what it's worth, if he goes I won't shed a tear, and if he stays I won't throw a tantrum.

I wrote a big long post explaining my thoughts on the matter, but I just deleted it. I'm not going to sway anyone who wants him gone, so what's the point? I'd only end up with people highlighting things I wrote in order to challenge them.
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True that for me too
 
Ish said:
Yeah agreed. It's only going to end up going around in circles again, with everything (good and bad) being mentioned again and again.

I guess my question wasn't for people to change their votes, but posed more along the lines of ascertaining if there really are those who'd be keen to give him his final year?

If you're on that train of thought, I wouldn't mind having a PM discussion with you. I'd be keen to read your line of reasoning. Otherwise, no worries bud.
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The tl;dr version of what I wrote is that I don't think it's all his fault. I said that the squad was weak under Moyes, but was shouted down by the 'we won it by 12 points last season' brigade. The squad is still weak and lacking confidence, but it isn't as bad as 'get rid of everyone except Martial, DDG and Rashford'. It could be as simple as a couple of players in and a couple of players out. Long-term injuries clear up, those that had a tough season (eg Darmian) coming good, we stop playing players out of position all the time.

I just take a more long-term view on things and always felt there'd be a lull after SAF went. Ok, maybe not like this exactly, but I think people underestimate how difficult it is to replace him. He's a unique human being and the ripples we're feeling might now may carry on for some time yet.
 
The only way he will be with us next season is if he accepts an extension to his contract. There is no way, after what happened after Fergie first announced his retirement, will the board allow a manager to just enter a season with only 12 months on the contract. Ferguson, of everyone, knows what happens when a team know the manager won't be with them longer. It even happened when he announced his retirement the second time. We were well ahead, but performances dipped after and we kind of limped over the line!

So, if Ed wants to keep him, he's going to have to get him to extend. If that happens, then the huge risk for Ed is that if we are playing shite football and languishing mid table after a few months of next season, he will have to fire him and hte whole united world will be yelling as to why he didn't do it at the end of the last season. There won't be many decent managers around a third of the way in to next season......
 
Badunk said:
The tl;dr version of what I wrote is that I don't think it's all his fault. I said that the squad was weak under Moyes, but was shouted down by the 'we won it by 12 points last season' brigade. The squad is still weak and lacking confidence, but it isn't as bad as 'get rid of everyone except Martial, DDG and Rashford'. It could be as simple as a couple of players in and a couple of players out. Long-term injuries clear up, those that had a tough season (eg Darmian) coming good, we stop playing players out of position all the time.

I just take a more long-term view on things and always felt there'd be a lull after SAF went. Ok, maybe not like this exactly, but I think people underestimate how difficult it is to replace him. He's a unique human being and the ripples we're feeling might now may carry on for some time yet.
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It will most certainly be an interesting conundrum if say, Jose had to come in for next season, and he struggles as well. Then I think a lot of people will second guess "who or what the problem" is. But I do think LvG has flattered to deceive. I don't disagree with anything you said, but ultimately the buck stops with the manager and he's had 2 years in charge, which in football, is a much longer term than most other occupations/industries. And you look at the list of players who've either flattered to deceive or downright struggled - the common denominator is LvG. So either he needs to be held responsible for signing duds, or just signing players he has little to no idea of getting the best out of them.

These are all just without even bringing the tumescent football into the equation.

I'd much rather conclude that, all things considered holistically, I don't think LvG deserves another year in charge. But yeah, it's like you said, it's pointless going around in circles and trying to convince each other of which side of the argument is correct. The bit about the squad as well - I don't think we should bin everyone and sign another 6-7 players. We need key reinforcements, but I'm confident at least a few of these players will show much better form/ability with someone else in charge.
 
Ish said:
It will most certainly be an interesting conundrum if say, Jose had to come in for next season, and he struggles as well. .
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I really hope Jose gets as hard a time as LVG and moyes if things go tits up

But we have so many who would give their right arm to lick his ass crack Im not sure that will happen
 
Randall Flagg said:
I really hope Jose gets as hard a time as LVG and moyes if things go tits up

But we have so many who would give their right arm to lick his ass crack Im not sure that will happen
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Yeah but then there are also plenty like us who don't want him near the club and will be starting the 'I told you so's' far quicker than we began slating LVG and Moyes.

Think he'll get an easier time than Moyes, because he's a big name, but harder than LVG. Not many had any problem with LVG until the results went badly wrong.
 
LVG has two disadvantages. The fact that he's retiring and the fact Jose is available. At least he might leave with a trophy. It could be better but it could have been worse also. Even yesterday in the first half - it summed us up. At one point Mata had the ball and was in plenty of space - and played the ball backwards seemingly unaware of the space around him. The players don't seem to know what they are doing over 90 minutes. The first half was like watching paint dry but the second half we expressed ourselves and when we do that, they we're reminded as to why LVG has to go.

I would rather we don't boo the guy. Whatever people think, he cannot express himself properly in English. So he can't really explain himself properly and maybe that comes across in our play. That's why Jose is a non brainer.
 
SteveJ said:
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Well players cant do what Fletcher christian and the crew done to bligh, but both Bligh and VG are very similar in their approach to how they handled the crew and players, and spend enough time with both personality's, the anger does grow and grow, but I wonder how many of the current squad really have hated VG's methods? when he is gone, who will speak up about his time here, if once again quiet allot of the players hated his approach it will sum everything that is wrong with his out of date methods

K2K said:
Exactly this.

He seems to relish this vindictive part of his personality for some reason. A good manager is able to master the balancing act, being authoritative when need be, and also having a soft side and being able to treat players like human beings.

For me, the Toni quote is the one that rings the most true. He really does treat players like interchangeable objects, and will hang them out to dry if need be. Thats why his stints everywhere never last, people get sick of him quite quickly.
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VG is also like an ageing doctor that refuses to keep up with the times, either because of age that sitting through exams is too much at his age, has what doctors learn if they don't keep up with the times is useless. That is VG for you, what he knows these days are completely out of date. If he was a doctor or a surgeon, he would kill every patient
 
Randall Flagg said:
I really hope Jose gets as hard a time as LVG and moyes if things go tits up

But we have so many who would give their right arm to lick his ass crack Im not sure that will happen
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I'm sure he will if it does go one way. Suspect there will also be murmurings of him having lost it at Chelsea etc

But like you have people still backing LVG, you'll still have people backing Mourinho regardless.
 
Just changed my vote from "sack him now" to "end of the season" - Ed has left it far too late to sack him, so now we have to let him play the FA Cup Final - it would just be pointless not to. Anyone else prepared to change their vote?
 
Oneunited26 said:
Well players cant do what Fletcher christian and the crew done to bligh, but both Bligh and VG are very similar in their approach to how they handled the crew and players, and spend enough time with both personality's, the anger does grow and grow, but I wonder how many of the current squad really have hated VG's methods? when he is gone, who will speak up about his time here, if once again quiet allot of the players hated his approach it will sum everything that is wrong with his out of date methods



VG is also like an ageing doctor that refuses to keep up with the times, either because of age that sitting through exams is too much at his age, has what doctors learn if they don't keep up with the times is useless. That is VG for you, what he knows these days are completely out of date. If he was a doctor or a surgeon, he would kill every patient
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Its true, I can imagine Schweinsteiger spends most of his days in the infirmary with leeches being applied to his knees.
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
Just changed my vote from "sack him now" to "end of the season" - Ed has left it far too late to sack him, so now we have to let him play the FA Cup Final - it would just be pointless not to. Anyone else prepared to change their vote?
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I agree with what youre saying but this was equally true yesterday and before the West Ham game, I couldnt be bothered to change my vote then and I cant now, it doesnt make any difference now anyway.
 
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