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Super Nani said:
I can't believe Ed Woodward hasn't got any United supporting mates who haven't had a serious word with him and threatened to punch him in the face if LVG is still here next season.
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Behave, you can't have mates that support United if you don't have mates.
 
The only good thing about WH loss is that now only a moron would keep LVG here. Although with how Woody handles football affairs you can not be certain of anything.
If LVG somehow managed to get us into top-4, it would have been rather strong case for him to stay at least in the eyes of the board. But now. Well we hope, we dream.:D
 
iKeano said:
The footage that Lingard took inside the coach while it was having beer cans thrown at it is embarrassing entirely.
Can you imagine Cantona, Hughes, McClair, Schmeichel, Irwin, Ince etc acting like that & more to the point can you imagine Fergie standing for it?!
They're like kids who have a supply teacher in the class.
Fergie would have had the bus there on time too.... As opposed to being late for back-to-back London league fixtures. Maybe Luis doesn't know his A-Z as well as knowing nothing about football in the 21st century.

There better be Ta Ra Luis banners at OT next weekend... Otherwise I'll be the only one!
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To be Honest, I also thought the same thing, all the players looked extremely immature like 15 year old giggly school kids
 
Saw a tweet from a few journos earlier. Oliver Kay being one. Story is LvG will be judged on these next two games.

Same old bullshit, same old story. Don't even care about cups or trophies anymore. I want to see my team up for the fight and not to back down. We can't even do that :lol:

I am so despondent after that tonight. I haven't felt like this since the City winner in 2012. We knew there was a fight to be had and yet, we bottled it. Herrera, Rojo, Blind, Valencia, Schneiderlin, Rooney, Carrick....All of them jumping out of the way of 50/50s. Couldn't handle it.

If Pardew can get his act together, it's going to be a long day at Wembley
 
Sigma said:


Drunk west ham fan talks more sense than most of our fans.
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Every word he spoke was entirely correct, even if he seems a little drunk. Good to see fans that don't despise each other and actually have a good head on their shoulders.
 
Scorpy said:
Top-four fight still on
"Still in the last match of the season we can pass over Manchester City. They can lose and we can win - then we are fourth. In this league it happens a lot [surprise results] and Swansea City are on a very good run. But we have to beat Bournemouth and that's also tough."
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SAF: "Lads, it's Tottenham."
LVG: "Bournemouth at home is tough."

World of difference in their mentalities, and it's no doubt something that transmits to the players.
 
I think it's safe to say that Manchester United has been a bridge too far for Louis.

It's all right fellas, I'll wait.
 
TitusCrumble said:
Motivation is the thing that drives good players to great players.
Leicester have won the league, not because they are a team full of the best players in the league but because they believed- they were motivated. Where did this motivation come from? It came from Ranieri. Ranieri believed in them, he told them from the very first day that they were better than they thought and then they made history and he won the premier league in his first season with Leicester. Motivation stems from belief, motivation stems from the manager forcing them into believe in themselves. Last year Enrique motivated his players, they had great team spirit and they won the bloody treble. This year with Simeone he very clearly has a great connection with his players, who he motivates to play the best way they can- that's what drives them on for 90 minutes defending for their lives. Great managers are great managers because they are great motivators, tacticians, man managers.

Let's look at Mourinho this season with Chelsea. He couldn't motivate the players any more, he couldn't be the great manager he is because he couldn't fulfil one of the fundamentals of leading a team to glory. LVG claims to be one of the best managers in the world yet he cannot fulfil the basic fundamentals of leading a team. He does not connect with the team. Just look at how players talked of how they adore(d) Simeone, Ferguson, Pochettino, Mourinho. Some players like LVG but that was a long time ago. Right now, none of our players talk about how great he is, they just say he makes them work hard and that they want to work hard for him- revised stuff that essentially they feel inclined to say. He can't motivate them, he doesn't change tactics during the match and he can't man manage very well hence why Pereira and Januzaj were essentially thrown out of the first team. He must go. There is simply no way we can progress with a manager who can't motivate the team. LVG must be gone.

The way I see it we need a great motivator. Someone who clearly has great bonds with their teams. Simeone has this, he is unavailable. Mourinho has proven he can do this with every club he has managed and he is literally the best available manager in the world. Pochettino has this, just look at the way his players talk of him! Mourinho and Poch are our best options, Mourinho being the obvious candidate given his availability. Pochettino very clearly has a great connection with his players, he is young and he changes his tactics to suit the game. I honestly believe we will look at him in 10 years and think we should have attained him when we could have.
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Good post. Keane is the only person on the planet with United DNA that can motivate United to the same extent that SAF could.
 
iKeano said:
The footage that Lingard took inside the coach while it was having beer cans thrown at it is embarrassing entirely.
Can you imagine Cantona, Hughes, McClair, Schmeichel, Irwin, Ince etc acting like that & more to the point can you imagine Fergie standing for it?!
They're like kids who have a supply teacher in the class.
Fergie would have had the bus there on time too.... As opposed to being late for back-to-back London league fixtures. Maybe Luis doesn't know his A-Z as well as knowing nothing about football in the 21st century.

There better be Ta Ra Luis banners at OT next weekend... Otherwise I'll be the only one!
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I agree and am reminded of when Noble carried Herrera off the pitch and no one reacted - like it was OK. No mention of Roy Keane there? He is the first that comes to mind after SAF. I agree that those characters above would not have acted like that. SAF, Keane and Robson were the sort of leaders that would have ensured that no Utd players would either.

In fairness to LVG, he said in the post-match interview that the Utd bus was 100 metres behind the WHU bus until it was attacked, and I read that the problem for the Spurs game was that the police directed the bus down a road with a low bridge and they had to turn around, so it's hardly the club's or LVG's fault in either case.
 
DenisIrwin said:
Good post. Keane is the only person on the planet with United DNA that can motivate United to the same extent that SAF could.
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There's a big difference between Ferguson and Keane. Ferguson knows when to blow his top and when to control his emotions, Keane on the other hand almost always comes unhinged when put under pressure.
 
LvG is past it. The bubble blown by himself is bursting right before our eyes.
Transition - I have not seen anything positive when it comes to transition since LvG took over. He has not built a squad with better quality, nor has he improved us tactically. We have a team of bottlers, a squad that took 250 mil quid to take its current shape, a group of players who do not deserve to be in top 4 of the PL or play a single match in the CL. When LvG first came he said that we were going to rewrite the history together, and that seems to be the only promise that he managed to keep. We have rewritten our history. We are no longer challenging for any major titles.
 
After all he's said about philosophy and process and all he's spent, this doesn't cut it. He's gotta go. But no, who am I kidding. He'll be here next season and I'll need a years supply of alcohol and painkillers.
 
I cannot wait for that past it fraud to leave the club. He's turned the club into a worse version of itself months after months. Just feck off LVG and anyone who support him.
 
Correct me if I am wrong but city only have to avoid defeat against Swansea to qualify in the cl
 
NK86 said:
You are not wrong. A draw would have also helped us but I can't see City losing again.
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Wait a minute if Shitty draw against Swansea and we win, we qualify into the CL?
 
Sigma said:


Drunk west ham fan talks more sense than most of our fans.
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Cue @Dobba to come in and say the guy knows nothing about our club and that Vangle is doing a fantastic job. Then unfurl his "Glory Glory Vangle" flag!
 
Sunny Jim said:
The guy is 100% correct. We reached the stage when even laughing at us is not funny any more.
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Yup, even opposition fans are tired of laughing at us and instead have started feeling sorry for us. We are in a deep hole.

We need the official confirmation from the club that VG will be parting ways after the FA cup final to lift everyone. I hope it comes today.
 
If LvG continues next season I don't know how I would be able to watch our games. This season has been pure torture. I don't know if I can handle another similar to the current one.
 
We need a new manager badly and give him the freedom to bring in 6-7 players.
 
It´s not even about finishing 4th or 5th. It´s about looking at the development of the team and level of play. You can play shit for a full year and (almost) finish 4th just as you can head into the right direction, play great football and still only finish 5th. LVG should be judged on how many points the overall performance realistically would have produced and I´d say that´s between 48-52. Usually when you are outshot by the opposition 25-3, you´ll not find yourself 2-1 up at any stage. You lose 4-0. If Woodward can´t see that he needs to go, too. I´d have fired LVG, even with a top four finish, cause yesterday would have been nothing, but Martial and an insane amount of luck.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
There's a big difference between Ferguson and Keane. Ferguson knows when to blow his top and when to control his emotions, Keane on the other hand almost always comes unhinged when put under pressure.
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I've read a lot of things saying Keane couldn't accept it when players were unable to do things he could as a player and got frustrated and angry very quickly. I'd love to see what he could do when working with top level players as appose to championship standard. Sadly that ship has probably sailed for him.
 
JustFootballFan said:
It´s not even about finishing 4th or 5th. It´s about looking at the development of the team and level of play. You can play shit for a full year and (almost) finish 4th just as you can head into the right direction, play great football and still only finish 5th. LVG should be judged on how many points the overall performance realistically would have produced and I´d say that´s between 48-52. Usually when you are outshot by the opposition 25-3, you´ll not find yourself 2-1 up at any stage. You lose 4-0. If Woodward can´t see that he needs to go, too. I´d have fired LVG, even with a top four finish, cause yesterday would have been nothing, but Martial and an insane amount of luck.
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Absolutely. This is why a positional finish cannot be the sole determining factor. But with LVG we've failed on every level. Nor are we finishing in the top 4 (which wasn't the goal anyway) nor do we football that is acceptable in any way.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Absolutely. This is why a positional finish cannot be the sole determining factor. But with LVG we've failed on every level. Nor are we finishing in the top 4 (which wasn't the goal anyway) nor do we football that is acceptable in any way.
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My biggest gripe with this so called possession team is how we fail to keep possession when under any kind of pressure. This game kind of reminded of the Wolfsburg game, and actually many others, where we failed to keep the ball and blunt the opposition when we needed it the most. West Ham were able to pressure us into losing possession and attack us almost at will, while we failed to get into their box.
 
Insanity said:
My biggest gripe with this so called possession team is how we fail to keep possession when under any kind of pressure. This game kind of reminded of the Wolfsburg game, and actually many others, where we failed to keep the ball and blunt the opposition when we needed it the most. West Ham were able to pressure us into losing possession and attack us almost at will, while we failed to get into their box.
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It really hurts. We had the lead and could not protect it. The game was never under our control. It felt like we were outmanned at both ends of the pitch.

At this point we have proven that Van Gaal's methods do not work. Not in this league, not in Europe. The fundamentals of his philosophy are nowhere to be found in the football we play. Both our goals today scored from long passes into a stretched defense.
 
The more I think about his pre-match interview the angrier I get. I don't like comparing managers to Ferguson and players to Keane but could you image Ferguson if the bus was attacked? He'd have been absolutely fuming. He'd have got the players right up for it and in the days of Keane you can bet your life in that atmosphere on that occasion Noble would have been floored within the first minute to set a marker down. Instead we had LVG effectively giving the game up beforehand and being ridiculed by fecking Geoff Shreeves and us playing like we were sorry to be there. The attitude of this team just stinks. I'm sick of pretty much all of them. There are only about 6 players I'd keep, and oddly enough most of them were at the club under Ferguson. Martial aside our recruitment has been absolutely pathetic.
 
Insanity said:
My biggest gripe with this so called possession team is how we fail to keep possession when under any kind of pressure. This game kind of reminded of the Wolfsburg game, and actually many others, where we failed to keep the ball and blunt the opposition when we needed it the most. West Ham were able to pressure us into losing possession and attack us almost at will, while we failed to get into their box.
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It's been the biggest gripe for ages. And when you think about it, it's not really restricted to some games. We're generally good at keep ball but that's something that's easy to be good at. Think of what happens when we start crossing the half way line; how long it takes for us to play a forward pass and what happens when we play a forward pass. Instantly surrounded by crowds of defenders we struggle. I've never seen a team this incapable of moving the ball in between the lines in opposition half. How often do we see this team take touches inside the box and work a chance out of that?

The exact same logic comes to fore when teams press us high up.
 
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