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Do you want LVG sacked?

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3 years of floundering. 7th, 4th, 5th.

Honestly thought he did a decent job last season, the repair job of the squad mentally obliterated by Moyes was huge. 4th was a bare minimum, and he got it. Fair play. The few good things about last season were quickly scrapped. We're now worse. We now have more players out of position. We're more defensive yet still ship goals and still lose a lot of games. The eye watering sums of money have amounted to nothing, and somehow the squad is threadbare when we have 2 or 3 players out. We show no resemblance of a team moving forward, or even standing still. It is worsening.

We heard from the horses mouth that it will take 3 years to make it work. Why? Liverpool are largely inconsistent, but even in the games they don't win, you can see Klopp's methods taking effect, you can see they are on the right path. Other than a spell of 6 or 7 games last season, and maybe 2 or 3 games from this season, we have seen no progression. I have no idea what our game plan is. It seems to change by the month. Sometimes we hog the ball and do nothing with it. Others we can't get a foot on the ball and we're lucky not to ship 5 or 6. Where are we going under Van Gaal? What can he possibly do next season to justify keeping him? Does he get given another £150m to spend to rectify the mess of the previous £150m he has flushed away? Does he get to strip the squad and start it again and leave us in a bigger mess? What happens if he gets another year to finish the supposed 3 year project and we're in an even worse position this time next season? That'll be 4 years down the shitter, all whilst passing up the availability of top managers to persevere with this.

He should have been binned in December when we were shunted out of the CL at the first hurdle and lost 4 games comprehensively on the bounce. The whole point of last season was to get back in to the Champions League, and we couldn't get out of one of the easiest groups. Everyone wanted him gone then. Everyone saw no evidence to suggest LvG would save the season, and here we are, the season is done after squandering countless chances to save it, just like everyone predicted 5 months ago!

Get rid.
 
Dobba said:
If he is manager I'll continue to support Manchester United not whoever is sat in the dugout. Until then I sure as hell don't want him to be.


Putting words into someone's mouth is bad m'kay?
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But do you not see the irony here?

A lot of us here don't want Van Gaal,but other than a crazy few,we've still followed United over a very difficult season and last 3 years. Yet you seem to make snide remarks to some of those that don't share your support of Van Gaal.

At least with us an Van Gaal it's due to the job he's done. With you and Mourinho,it's just personal
 
He just needs to see out the last two games and leave, hopefully winning the FA Cup. It would be a respectable end. The club just needs to get their heads out of the sand and let him go.
 
K2K said:
But do you not see the irony here?

A lot of us here don't want Van Gaal,but other than a crazy few,we've still followed United over a very difficult season and last 3 years. Yet you seem to make snide remarks to some of those that don't share your support of Van Gaal.

At least with us an Van Gaal it's due to the job he's done. With you and Mourinho,it's just personal
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With him and Mourinho there's just no logic. He'll use 1 bad season to lambast anyone who dares to want Jose in.
 
K2K said:
But do you not see the irony here?

A lot of us here don't want Van Gaal,but other than a crazy few,we've still followed United over a very difficult season and last 3 years. Yet you seem to make snide remarks to some of those that don't share your support of Van Gaal.

At least with us an Van Gaal it's due to the job he's done. With you and Mourinho,it's just personal
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There is a difference between not wanting a manager who isn't in the job and actively wanting the demise of the current one, via the failure of the club they supposedly support.

If/when Mourinho is manager, I won't want him gone before his contract ends as it'll almost certainly mean the club are failing, again. Same goes if it was Big Sam, Mike Bassett or Paul Whitehouse reprising his Ron Manager role.
 
People cannot blame the players anymore, unless you mean they are simply not playing for him?
He is the problem, proven countless times over his 2 seasons. Scenario, simple change, put Ferguson in charge of this team and they would definitely play a whole lot better than this. Maybe even finished top 2 this season. We lost against 4 of the bottom 8 away from home, beat 2 of them 0-1 (just). Are these players not better than that? We need to be cleaning up there if we want any chance of competing.He sucks the life and confidence out of some players it seems, there seems to be a sense of caution in our play and it may have stemmed from fear. His dull, patient tactics are too slow for the premier league IMO. We need to be fast and physical in our play to win games against the lesser teams and we are far from either of those.
Overall I don't really feel our squad is terrible, with a bit of self belief and the right additions I think we are headed in the right direction. Leicester have proven that you don't need 11 world class players, you need 11 players who believe that they are good enough in their own ability.Another example is look at how Klopp has gotten Liverpool playing? Yes they are inconsistent and all but their squad is not as good as ours but he has given them all a confidence boost and it shows in the way they are capable of playing.
 
Shinehead Dred said:
Three things
1. Martial is going to be a God
2. At 2-1 up it was the perfect time to use that possession football thingy we have been told is football. We didn't.
3. Vangle moved around three and half times in one of the biggest matches of our season. Twice for the goals. Once for the hairpulling thing with Bilic ( thought he was gonna pull vangle's wig off) And once when he half got off his seat to say something else to Bilic.

Jeez
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It's amazing how poor we are at retaining possession when we actually need to, considering the 'philosophy' that's supposedly been instilled into these players. If we're behind in a game the team will quite happily pass it about without any sort of cutting edge or inventiveness, yet we collectively switch off when we actually get our noses in front and have something to defend. It's bizarre and absolutely infuriating to watch.
 
Dobba said:
If he is manager I'll continue to support Manchester United not whoever is sat in the dugout. Until then I sure as hell don't want him to be.


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Why, would you be prefering Vangle's junk?
 
The biggest fault for me is he isn't a "manager".

He doesn't react to the game happening infront of him. He doesn't get on the touchline and show his presence or talk to his players.

He doesn't react to game changing moments. at 2-1 up we should have taken Mata off and pushed Valencia higher up, put Jones at RB for more aerial height. Instead though we leave the game exactly as it is, until it's far too late. He made the last 2 subs with 5 minutes + added time left. How is that long enough to effect the game?

He doesn't plan the game ahead. Jones should have started with Smalling at CB in the first place, this was never a game for Blind to be playing. He should easily have finished top 4 this year, he has failed massively.
 
I never thought I'd get to the stage where I just don't want or care to watch our matches but it's like that now. The problem is Mourinho seems to be the other option and I don't want him either.

The three year old me becoming a United fan purely because his sister had a United shirt and he wanted one would be kicking me right now.

Football can feck off.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Very strange pre match interview. It exuded uncertainty and a lack of conviction.
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It's all down to his fears. This sort of thing transmits itself to the players. No wonder we're mentally shit. I can understand, but he should know better than to let others see that he's not confident. You have to bluff in a highly competitive environment - no matter how you feel.
 
The footage that Lingard took inside the coach while it was having beer cans thrown at it is embarrassing entirely.
Can you imagine Cantona, Hughes, McClair, Schmeichel, Irwin, Ince etc acting like that & more to the point can you imagine Fergie standing for it?!
They're like kids who have a supply teacher in the class.
Fergie would have had the bus there on time too.... As opposed to being late for back-to-back London league fixtures. Maybe Luis doesn't know his A-Z as well as knowing nothing about football in the 21st century.

There better be Ta Ra Luis banners at OT next weekend... Otherwise I'll be the only one!
 
K2K said:
But do you not see the irony here?

A lot of us here don't want Van Gaal,but other than a crazy few,we've still followed United over a very difficult season and last 3 years. Yet you seem to make snide remarks to some of those that don't share your support of Van Gaal.

At least with us an Van Gaal it's due to the job he's done. With you and Mourinho,it's just personal
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Well said.
 
Amethyst said:
It's amazing how poor we are at retaining possession when we actually need to, considering the 'philosophy' that's supposedly been instilled into these players.
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That's because possession football is easy against a team sitting back and difficult against a team that presses with intensity. We've been dogshite at dealing with high pressing for years now.
 
What crap did he tell this time in his pre match interview? Missed it.

Him chatting several times during the game with Bilic pissed me off too and fits in in our players similar useless attitude. You can do this in a friendly or a game we are comfortably winning, but in the most important game of the season?
 
Amethyst said:
It's amazing how poor we are at retaining possession when we actually need to, considering the 'philosophy' that's supposedly been instilled into these players. If we're behind in a game the team will quite happily pass it about without any sort of cutting edge or inventiveness, yet we collectively switch off when we actually get our noses in front and have something to defend. It's bizarre and absolutely infuriating to watch.
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That's because if we're losing, the other team couldn't give a feck, so there's no pressure on the ball. If we're winning they pressure us and we can't play under pressure
 
Dobba said:
If/when Mourinho is manager, I won't want him gone before his contract ends as it'll almost certainly mean the club are failing, again. Same goes if it was Big Sam, Mike Bassett or Paul Whitehouse reprising his Ron Manager role.
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This is insane logic.

It's like being shot and then refuse to go the hospital because that would mean confirmation you're fecked.
 
Dobba said:
There is a difference between not wanting a manager who isn't in the job and actively wanting the demise of the current one, via the failure of the club they supposedly support.

If/when Mourinho is manager, I won't want him gone before his contract ends as it'll almost certainly mean the club are failing, again. Same goes if it was Big Sam, Mike Bassett or Paul Whitehouse reprising his Ron Manager role.
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He is the front runner for the job. Even with that,you have at no point said that you will offer him support when he is manager. Just that you will not actively want him to lose games. That's not support.

Surely if you berate us for not supporting Van Gaal(and you have not only had a go at those that dy that want him to lose),then you'd practise what you preach with Jose.

United ,United is the team for me. I won't support the manager though. I just won't want him to actively lose.

It's not the Jose hate or your undying support for Van Gaal that is the problem. It's the hypocrisy
 
Results are one thing, but the shocking standard of football should be enough to see him gone. I dread the prospect of another season of this. If we were playing exciting football but making mistakes here and there, at least you could see the nucleus of the team going forward. This is just boring, tumescent shite.
 
Dobba said:
There is a difference between not wanting a manager who isn't in the job and actively wanting the demise of the current one, via the failure of the club they supposedly support.

If/when Mourinho is manager, I won't want him gone before his contract ends as it'll almost certainly mean the club are failing, again. Same goes if it was Big Sam, Mike Bassett or Paul Whitehouse reprising his Ron Manager role.
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I actually see where you're coming from and find it reasonable. That said, we are well past the stage of wanting the demise of the current manager. We have been witnessing AND suffering from his demise for a while now.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
3 years of floundering. 7th, 4th, 5th.

Honestly thought he did a decent job last season, the repair job of the squad mentally obliterated by Moyes was huge. 4th was a bare minimum, and he got it. Fair play. The few good things about last season were quickly scrapped. We're now worse. We now have more players out of position. We're more defensive yet still ship goals and still lose a lot of games. The eye watering sums of money have amounted to nothing, and somehow the squad is threadbare when we have 2 or 3 players out. We show no resemblance of a team moving forward, or even standing still. It is worsening.

We heard from the horses mouth that it will take 3 years to make it work. Why? Liverpool are largely inconsistent, but even in the games they don't win, you can see Klopp's methods taking effect, you can see they are on the right path. Other than a spell of 6 or 7 games last season, and maybe 2 or 3 games from this season, we have seen no progression. I have no idea what our game plan is. It seems to change by the month. Sometimes we hog the ball and do nothing with it. Others we can't get a foot on the ball and we're lucky not to ship 5 or 6. Where are we going under Van Gaal? What can he possibly do next season to justify keeping him? Does he get given another £150m to spend to rectify the mess of the previous £150m he has flushed away? Does he get to strip the squad and start it again and leave us in a bigger mess? What happens if he gets another year to finish the supposed 3 year project and we're in an even worse position this time next season? That'll be 4 years down the shitter, all whilst passing up the availability of top managers to persevere with this.

He should have been binned in December when we were shunted out of the CL at the first hurdle and lost 4 games comprehensively on the bounce. The whole point of last season was to get back in to the Champions League, and we couldn't get out of one of the easiest groups. Everyone wanted him gone then. Everyone saw no evidence to suggest LvG would save the season, and here we are, the season is done after squandering countless chances to save it, just like everyone predicted 5 months ago!

Get rid.
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Good post, agree with all of it. It's especially damning that many of the problems we've had were foreseen by people on here long before everything went downhill at the end of last year. You can go back as far as the summer window to identify the weaknesses and lack of depth in the squad, it's been chaotic and downright farcical at times.

Red Stone said:
That's because possession football is easy against a team sitting back and difficult against a team that presses with intensity. We've been dogshite at dealing with high pressing for years now.
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red_devil83 said:
That's because if we're losing, the other team couldn't give a feck, so there's no pressure on the ball. If we're winning they pressure us and we can't play under pressure
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Yep, think both of you are right.
 
I can't believe Ed Woodward hasn't got any United supporting mates who haven't had a serious word with him and threatened to punch him in the face if LVG is still here next season. It's just blatantly obvious to everyone he needs to go and the man responsible with deciding seemingly can't. It's all too late now but the ramifications of missing out on europes top competition can't be salvaged by winning the FA Cup.

No one wanted it to be like this but we badly need a change of management next season or the clubs rapid fall from grace will continue, if that isn't clear to the chief exec running the show it's a huge concern. The decision not to pull the trigger back at the end of the year has backfired massively and now we will have to potentially watch City and Liverpool in Europe next year at our expensive, what a nightmare season.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
3 years of floundering. 7th, 4th, 5th.

Honestly thought he did a decent job last season, the repair job of the squad mentally obliterated by Moyes was huge. 4th was a bare minimum, and he got it. Fair play. The few good things about last season were quickly scrapped. We're now worse. We now have more players out of position. We're more defensive yet still ship goals and still lose a lot of games. The eye watering sums of money have amounted to nothing, and somehow the squad is threadbare when we have 2 or 3 players out. We show no resemblance of a team moving forward, or even standing still. It is worsening.

We heard from the horses mouth that it will take 3 years to make it work. Why? Liverpool are largely inconsistent, but even in the games they don't win, you can see Klopp's methods taking effect, you can see they are on the right path. Other than a spell of 6 or 7 games last season, and maybe 2 or 3 games from this season, we have seen no progression. I have no idea what our game plan is. It seems to change by the month. Sometimes we hog the ball and do nothing with it. Others we can't get a foot on the ball and we're lucky not to ship 5 or 6. Where are we going under Van Gaal? What can he possibly do next season to justify keeping him? Does he get given another £150m to spend to rectify the mess of the previous £150m he has flushed away? Does he get to strip the squad and start it again and leave us in a bigger mess? What happens if he gets another year to finish the supposed 3 year project and we're in an even worse position this time next season? That'll be 4 years down the shitter, all whilst passing up the availability of top managers to persevere with this.

He should have been binned in December when we were shunted out of the CL at the first hurdle and lost 4 games comprehensively on the bounce. The whole point of last season was to get back in to the Champions League, and we couldn't get out of one of the easiest groups. Everyone wanted him gone then. Everyone saw no evidence to suggest LvG would save the season, and here we are, the season is done after squandering countless chances to save it, just like everyone predicted 5 months ago!

Get rid.
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Get this post sent to Draft Ed Woodward. Signed Red Cafe.
 
Sounds a bit shell shocked in post match.

Nothing too stupid said yet. Blamed set pieces and said we'll fight til end. Argued against it being unlikely as Swansea are in good form.
 
He loses 1 in 4 games, we play football so shit it actually makes me think we are doing it on purpose as football really shouldn't be this difficult at any level. We also score an astonishingly low amount of goals compared to our rivals home and abroad and all our players bar a few have under performed or seem to have completely regressed under his management. Plus he seems so tactically inept despite his long career and gives more excuses after every match than we managed shots on goal.

All in all he has been a terrible failure and if he is given another year then this club deserves all the negative shit and results it will get along the way. It's a complete farce how he still has this job.
 
Motivation is the thing that drives good players to great players.
Leicester have won the league, not because they are a team full of the best players in the league but because they believed- they were motivated. Where did this motivation come from? It came from Ranieri. Ranieri believed in them, he told them from the very first day that they were better than they thought and then they made history and he won the premier league in his first season with Leicester. Motivation stems from belief, motivation stems from the manager forcing them into believe in themselves. Last year Enrique motivated his players, they had great team spirit and they won the bloody treble. This year with Simeone he very clearly has a great connection with his players, who he motivates to play the best way they can- that's what drives them on for 90 minutes defending for their lives. Great managers are great managers because they are great motivators, tacticians, man managers.

Let's look at Mourinho this season with Chelsea. He couldn't motivate the players any more, he couldn't be the great manager he is because he couldn't fulfil one of the fundamentals of leading a team to glory. LVG claims to be one of the best managers in the world yet he cannot fulfil the basic fundamentals of leading a team. He does not connect with the team. Just look at how players talked of how they adore(d) Simeone, Ferguson, Pochettino, Mourinho. Some players like LVG but that was a long time ago. Right now, none of our players talk about how great he is, they just say he makes them work hard and that they want to work hard for him- revised stuff that essentially they feel inclined to say. He can't motivate them, he doesn't change tactics during the match and he can't man manage very well hence why Pereira and Januzaj were essentially thrown out of the first team. He must go. There is simply no way we can progress with a manager who can't motivate the team. LVG must be gone.

The way I see it we need a great motivator. Someone who clearly has great bonds with their teams. Simeone has this, he is unavailable. Mourinho has proven he can do this with every club he has managed and he is literally the best available manager in the world. Pochettino has this, just look at the way his players talk of him! Mourinho and Poch are our best options, Mourinho being the obvious candidate given his availability. Pochettino very clearly has a great connection with his players, he is young and he changes his tactics to suit the game. I honestly believe we will look at him in 10 years and think we should have attained him when we could have.
 
Whether he stays or goes we'll still be in deep shit. You can't polish a turd. we'd need 7 or 8 first team players
 
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