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Do you want LVG sacked?

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UnitedinRed said:
Do you want what's best for United though? Your part of a group undermining the manager. That suggests something very different.

When you have to make up half the crap tk push your tale, then its certainly not a case of wanting what's best. And what of Giggs becomes manager and we become worse than Under Moyes. Will you accept responsibility for your part (not sure how but use your imagination, you have a great one) or just demand the next manager goes until someone comes in and wins something so you can go, told you so?

The improvement required is minimal. We dont need a massive overhaul so why not let the guy finish his work? Were in poor form just now and people want him gone. People wanted him gone when we were in some kind of form. People were making noise last season about it though wouldn't say it outright back then.

Liverpool changed their manager. How are they doing BTW? Better? Not exactly. And they made a serious step up in quality, at least on paper. Villa just changed there's. How's that working out? Newcastle and Sunderland have seen a slight improvement though.

There is no proven benefit of sacking a manager, not even a failing one never mind one who's meeting likely meeting the clubs targets at this stage. For every positive, I can show 10 negatives. Relegations, clubs collapsing all sorts. Thats just football.
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There's so much shite here it's hard to know where to start.

1. Yes. Why wouldn't I? Keeping an underperforming manager is not in the clubs best interest.
2. What have I made up?
3. What if Giggs does become manager and is successful. Will I be getting credit from you for my alleged part. I'll make it clear for you now. I have no part to play in the decision making process.
4. Why do you think so many want him gone? Managers doing a good job rarely get this level of criticism. Why wouldn't we let Moues finish his work? He didn't get half this long.
5. Yes they have slightly. Without spending a penny so far. Do you really believe Liverpool won't see any benefit from replacing Rodgers?
6. Are you suggesting clubs shouldn't sack managers? You know your messiah wouldn't be in a job now if that were the case.
7. Relegations? Do you expect people to take you seriously?
 
Maybe LVG is right

The world has changed and you fans need to get real?

Just saying....
 
acnumber9 said:
There's so much shite here it's hard to know where to start.

1. Yes. Why wouldn't I? Keeping an underperforming manager is not in the clubs best interest.
2. What have I made up?
3. What if Giggs does become manager and is successful. Will I be getting credit from you for my alleged part. I'll make it clear for you now. I have no part to play in the decision making process.
4. Why do you think so many want him gone? Managers doing a good job rarely get this level of criticism. Why wouldn't we let Moues finish his work? He didn't get half this long.
5. Yes they have slightly. Without spending a penny so far. Do you really believe Liverpool won't see any benefit from replacing Rodgers?
6. Are you suggesting clubs shouldn't sack managers? You know your messiah wouldn't be in a job now if that were the case.
7. Relegations? Do you expect people to take you seriously?
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1. Its being debated quite fiercely on here.
2. I can't be bothered to check so I will withdraw that statement.
3. I stated I didn't know how you would be responsible, so no, I wouldn't. I was making a point, perhaps poorly, about sacking managers and expecting better.
4. I don't know. You will have to ask them. Managers always have critics, no matter how good or bad they do. Even the greatest managers have their detractors when winning everything. Its just football.
5. I've not checked since the last game but I read that they had matched their previous games under Rodgers, in terms of points anyway. And Rodgers did better than any Liverpool manager in 26 years in the PL. So Klopps got some way to go to better the best Rodgers could do.
6. Of course they should. But surely it depends on the boards expectations and demands? Moyes didn't meet them or come close. We have tk assume that van Gaalnhas, at least last season. This season he's probably in course but there is absolutely no doubt, we have to improve. Take note of this, our current form is unacceptable.
7. Just an example. Try not to focus on the one word. I was simply demonstrating changing managers doesn't alwaysbhave positive results. There's no evidence to support this.
 
UnitedinRed said:
1. Its being debated quite fiercely on here.
2. I can't be bothered to check so I will withdraw that statement.
3. I stated I didn't know how you would be responsible, so no, I wouldn't. I was making a point, perhaps poorly, about sacking managers and expecting better.
4. I don't know. You will have to ask them. Managers always have critics, no matter how good or bad they do. Even the greatest managers have their detractors when winning everything. Its just football.
5. I've not checked since the last game but I read that they had matched their previous games under Rodgers, in terms of points anyway. And Rodgers did better than any Liverpool manager in 26 years in the PL. So Klopps got some way to go to better the best Rodgers could do.
6. Of course they should. But surely it depends on the boards expectations and demands? Moyes didn't meet them or come close. We have tk assume that van Gaalnhas, at least last season. This season he's probably in course but there is absolutely no doubt, we have to improve. Take note of this, our current form is unacceptable.
7. Just an example. Try not to focus on the one word. I was simply demonstrating changing managers doesn't alwaysbhave positive results. There's no evidence to support this.
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I can't be bothered with mega posts so I'll keep this as succinct as possible. You're so blinded by your opinion you are incapable of engaging in reasoned debate. That's why you're throwing around statements you can't substantiate. You've come to an opinion an tried to fit the facts around rather than the other way round. It's why your posts make little to no sense. What are you actually trying to say? That we shouldn't sack a manager because there's nothing to suggest sacking managers leads to better results? Can you truly read that back and believe what you're saying?
 
acnumber9 said:
I can't be bothered with mega posts so I'll keep this as succinct as possible. You're so blinded by your opinion you are incapable of engaging in reasoned debate. That's why you're throwing around statements you can't substantiate. You've come to an opinion an tried to fit the facts around rather than the other way round. It's why your posts make little to no sense. What are you actually trying to say? That we shouldn't sack a manager because there's nothing to suggest sacking managers leads to better results? Can you truly read that back and believe what you're saying?
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Does that look like what I have suggested? Can't it go either way? Completely random basically.

I would rather not take that risk or go down that route. I think he deserves time to sort it out.
 
UnitedinRed said:
Nope. Are you supporting him. Or do you want him gone? Don't know how you voted so...
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you are missing the point. "we" "me" 'you" have nothing to do with undermining the manager. it's a chat board. no banner is being flown. the match going fans may give him some shit but as far as undermining him , not having it. not happy with him and haven't been for some time now but i have zero influence (ffs i hope i don't) on his future. if LVG wants to keep the job how about a win , maybe 3-0 as a start (hell 1-0). how about a squad big enough to compete. how about more than two strikers? he's undermining himself. we've been consistently inconsistent and he's part of the reason. FFS people on here havin' a pop at fergie's last season as being less than stellar - i'd take it over this shit. our defenders scored 16 league goals that yr - DEFENDERS! LC have two guys with more goals than our entire side. take the gun away from LVG he's running out of toes to shoot off.
 
JPRouve said:
- The players are shit.
- It's not his players. (I invented that one because it seems that for some he isn't responsible for the purchases).
- We can still make top 4.
- He was good before.
- We are not a sacking club.
- United fans are spoilt.
- Who cares about the style only, the results are important -> Who cares about short term results, it's long term results that matter.
- With more time he will turn things around/with more money he will turn things around.
- The press is against us.
- The league is very competitive.
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Deja Vu homie.
 
UnitedinRed said:
Does that look like what I have suggested? Can't it go either way? Completely random basically.

I would rather not take that risk or go down that route. I think he deserves time to sort it out.
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Pretty much yeah. You aren't acknowledging that sacking him may be the best course of action at all. You complain about people being one eyed and agenda driven while pushing your own one eyed agenda.
 
acnumber9 said:
Pretty much yeah. You aren't acknowledging that sacking him may be the best course of action at all. You complain about people being one eyed and agenda driven while pushing your own one eyed agenda.
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Several times above I have stated that sacking a manager can have a good or bad effect. But yeh, I failed to acknowledge the possibility.

I think he would step down and retire if Pep became available in the summer tbh.
 
Yeah uhm... we're not fecking sacking our manager at this stage of the season and this close to the top of the league.
 
UnitedinRed said:
Several times above I have stated that sacking a manager can have a good or bad effect. But yeh, I failed to acknowledge the possibility.

I think he would step down and retire if Pep became available in the summer tbh.
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Once that I've seen. Where have you acknowledged sacking Van Gaal may be the best idea? Because that's what we're talking about here. I doubt it. He doesn't care about Utd's best interests.
 
David Court said:
Maybe LVG is right

The world has changed and you fans need to get real?

Just saying....
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Huh? So you're saying supporters should lover expectations because the team are struggeling atm?
As one of the wealthiest clubs around we need to look at getting back to winning as soon as possible. And we have the means to do that.
I realise you're not a United fan but no need to go from thread to thread talking down the club. Just saying.
 
Red Katie said:
Huh? So you're saying supporters should lover expectations because the team are struggeling atm?
As one of the wealthiest clubs around we need to look at getting back to winning as soon as possible. And we have the means to do that.
I realise you're not a United fan but no need to go from thread to thread talking down the club. Just saying.
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He'd have a point if we were looking at bankruptcy on top of everything else. We aren't, though. Unless the Glazers agree that we should just permanently lower our ambitions, there's absolutely no reason why fans should suddenly start acting like we're a humble little football club that has no business dreaming of world domination.

It's a very odd point of view. It's like the possibility of us "doing a Liverpool" (or worse, in fact) has become a reality in some people's minds.
 
Red Katie said:
Huh? So you're saying supporters should lover expectations because the team are struggeling atm?
As one of the wealthiest clubs around we need to look at getting back to winning as soon as possible. And we have the means to do that.
I realise you're not a United fan but no need to go from thread to thread talking down the club. Just saying.
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I wouldnt bother with him really.

Judging from most his comments, he seems to be auditioning to be our next Glaston.

Dont feed it.
 
Red Katie said:
Huh? So you're saying supporters should lover expectations because the team are struggeling atm?
As one of the wealthiest clubs around we need to look at getting back to winning as soon as possible. And we have the means to do that.
I realise you're not a United fan but no need to go from thread to thread talking down the club. Just saying.
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I'm not talking down the club.

If you want evidence of that, there's enough Utd fans on here doing that for you.

However, it does seem reasonable to me that you should lower expectations at least for the next year or so given that your team is not performing nor looks likely to in the short term. Which is the point I was making.

Unrealistic expectations lead to unhappiness and frustration.
 
David Court said:
Maybe LVG is right

The world has changed and you fans need to get real?

Just saying....
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The world has changed and that's why he needs to go because he's not prepared to change with it.
As he said the world of football has changed but he is still trying to play the way he did with Ajax 20 years ago.
 
David Court said:
I'm not talking down the club.

If you want evidence of that, there's enough Utd fans on here doing that for you.

However, it does seem reasonable to me that you should lower expectations at least for the next year or so given that your team is not performing nor looks likely to in the short term. Which is the point I was making.

Unrealistic expectations lead to unhappiness and frustration.
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Synonymous to " Settling for Mediocrity".
 
So, what happens if Carlo joins Bayern and Pep joins City? Who do people then want in (assuming they want rid of LVG in the summer) ?
 
Bastian said:
So, what happens if Carlo joins Bayern and Pep joins City? Who do people then want in (assuming they want rid of LVG in the summer) ?
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There will probably be a huge polarization among fans with some suggesting that we should appoint Mourinho because he's a proven winner and others saying that we should give the job to Giggs because of tradition, the United way, entertaining football etc. The board will dither over this too and Jose will will go to Paris or return to Italy in the end and we'll be left with Giggsy just like we were left with Moyes back in 2013.
 
Look at the successful sides though history, they are built over a period of time. And I don't feel like the current side has the chemistry or the tools at its disposal to be a quality winning side.

We have a few good players, some promising talent and some seasoned campaigners but the first 11 is not nailed on at all and you could change your opinion on your best 11 every week as inconsistency causes the team to be changed constantly. Look at sides like Barcelona and Utd etc through the years, they have always had the core of players who would go and win you games with a strong pool of squad players who could fit into the system and contribute when needed.

It takes time to develop a team like that and it takes time for everything to click into place. People wonder why top players and managers get paid so much its because the job is so difficult to do, this post isn't about saying LVG in or out but we need to realise that the squad is not good enough for the expectations people have its that simple. This team needs to grow and develop just give it a chance.
 
People keep saying that LvG needs more time, more time for what? I think most seasonable fans did not expect United to win the league title or champions league in his first or second season, but they did expect him to have the team playing some good attacking football with a decent cup run here and there. But after spending over a 1/4 billion pounds, he seems to be clueless in getting the best out of the players that he himself signed. Look at fecking Leicester, with a squad that probably cost less than the United Christmas party topping the league, with a manager who did not need 3 years to sort out the team.
 
Kaos said:
Simeone.
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To be honest, I find the football they play incredibly dull. I'm also not sure he'd have the desired impact at a club he doesn't have a personal affinity to (if that makes sense). Everything he does at Atletico is based on emotion.
 
ghagua said:
People keep saying that LvG needs more time, more time for what? I think most seasonable fans did not expect United to win the league title or champions league in his first or second season, but they did expect him to have the team playing some good attacking football with a decent cup run here and there. But after spending over a 1/4 billion pounds, he seems to be clueless in getting the best out of the players that he himself signed. Look at fecking Leicester, with a squad that probably cost less than the United Christmas party topping the league, with a manager who did not need 3 years to sort out the team.
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Couldn't agree more, in fact that sounds like I wrote it lol.
How does he know it will take 3 years by the way, why not 2/4/5 oh yeah because he's making the shit up as he goes!
 
Now Chelsea have blinked, surely it's time to press the button on LvG.

Get in Jose in time for Jan, building a team ready for City and Pep.

Get it done.
 
Tell you what. After watching Leicester play Chelsea, I'd take Ranieri if he could bring that style of football with him.
 
Stack said:
I dont want Giggs as our manager.
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Who is going to be left? I think Chelsea might go after Pep in the summer. Carlo to Bayern? I am worried who would want to play for LvG if he stays his full term. A load of average Dutch players, because he has worked with them before.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Who is going to be left? I think Chelsea might go after Pep in the summer. Carlo to Bayern? I am worried who would want to play for LvG if he stays his full term. A load of average Dutch players, because he has worked with them before.
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We will bring in Mourinho; it's written in the stars.
 
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