? That's literally all LvG says every week.
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It might sound good to you on paper but has yet to be proven on the pitch.
As for a new manager adding to the roster, of course, that's possible assuming you can still attract top players (again, yet to be proven) and can Woodward afford another cool quarter billion to spend without pissing it up the wall in mediocrity, over the hill once greats and unexposed and unproven youth?
As for Pep.....looks like he's off to Manchester and not Trafford.
Maybe that's why the manager is under pressure?
You underestimate what difference the right manager can make. Besides that is why people want a new manager in before the transfer window so that they can bring in some players who will help in their system.
is there a debate?
LVG's tenure has run its course, he has lost the dressing room and its a matter of time before he is sacked and its his own goddamn fault. Its a pity because he could have been a real success here.
Some are still living in denial. I used to argue with my own father week after week after week for about 16 months, saying that Van Gaal was the man to turn us around, and that we'd win the league in his third year, but my dad's been right all along. The guy's wrong for us, and the last couple of months, combined with the Rooney situation, have been the catalyst for me in waking up to the reality.
It's tough because many of us wanted Van Gaal to succeed, and I especially wanted him to succeed because I am a fan of possession football. But what I've had to realise is that what we've got in Van Gaal is an outdated inflexible "philosophy" that plays absolutely everything by the percentages. We have none of the high press you see under the likes of Guardiola. Van Gaal has not been able to balance the defence and the attack after 18 months and 250 million. He's overdue the sack.
He's lost what? Hmmm. Who told you this.
I can't say for certain but I can produce a quote from a player rubbishing this. Which holds more weight than "some guy I made up said"
Anyway, maybe you are right Ed. You're the only one who would know...
I have rather the opposite, my dad who isnt even an United fan, but has suoported Ajax and Holland for decades, always keeps telling me that LVG is the right man, he will fix up the mess Moyes made, have patience, bla bla. But since the 352 it was clear to me that LvG would try to rewrite or reinvent football, he doesnt want to do it the easy way and makes everything so much more difficult than it is. Everytime we lose, I say jokingly that we should sack him. Last week he called me and told me, he's in the LvG out team as well, and LvG should bring Rooney with him.
Of course they are going to rubbish it. No one in the current setup is going to come out and say they don't like under LVG.
Even under Moyes players rubbished it constantly and only when he was sacked, came out and spoke about it.
Every interview he gives is picked apart. After the initial meltdowns because he spoke, the more sensible fans point out what was actually said, in full, not selected quotes and half quotes.
He mentions our issues constantly and attempts to address them if possible, within the restrictions posed outside of an open transfer window. Our lack of pace, decisiveness, penetration, lack of goals, confidence and over all play are mentioned constantly.
But because he says he is proud of his players, he's delusional and thought we were fantastic. Yet those same posters will also claim his man management skills are terrible. He's trying to keep spirits high, not crucify the whole team every week and do very much what most top managers do.
He's not perfect at all. His comments over McNair and Januzaj really annoyed me. He tries to avoid personal praise for individuals which I don't mind, its a team game after all but sometimes he does seem to actively avoid having to praise the individual.
So yes, there isa debate. Just some don't want it.
He mentions our issues constantly and attempts to address them if possible, within the restrictions posed outside of an open transfer window. Our lack of pace, decisiveness, penetration, lack of goals, confidence and over all play are mentioned constantly.
But because he says he is proud of his players, he's delusional and thought we were fantastic. Yet those same posters will also claim his man management skills are terrible. He's trying to keep spirits high, not crucify the whole team every week and do very much what most top managers do.
He's not perfect at all. His comments over McNair and Januzaj really annoyed me. He tries to avoid personal praise for individuals which I don't mind, its a team game after all but sometimes he does seem to actively avoid having to praise the individual.
So yes, there isa debate. Just some don't want it.
I'm interested in what our players have to say once he's gone. I'm sure we'll hear some damning criticism of his methods.
Did they? I remember silence when it cane out about Moyes. And then half the squad had their say, through Ogden usually.
We also knew who were the culprits from the off. At best people are speculating that someone may have an issue with van Gaal.
Now I don't doubt that. He doesn't pander to egos so of course some will feel aggrieved. Diddums to the delegate flowers I say. But I doubt he's lost the dressing room. There simply isn't the feeling that there was with Moyes. Despite how desperate some are for it to be true.
They will be moved on by the next manager. Because the new manager wants them to undermine him as well...
The fact we'll miss out on Guardiola because we'll stick with this clown for another year, just makes me dislike him even more. Just fecking awful by the club, yet again.
You know a pro agenda is still an agenda?
What pro agenda? Van Gaals got plenty to sort out and results aren't acceptable just now. We could discuss this but anyone who tries gets shot down by a particular group.
Still doesn't warrent a meltdown though.
Sorry but who's responsible for that? He keeps putting it as if the team is not good enough, we lack quality players etc and that's partially true, we aint Barcelona admittedly. But bar a few players like Smalling, DdG, Blind, I think he's getting the very least out of the players and a lot of it has to do with him. He doesnt buy the players he need, he has just filled uo the position but he hasnt made the right addition. We dont have a strong 9, we dont have a creative, fast, explosive winger, we domt have a deep lying playmaker, we domt have a proper attacking fullback (although Shaw will turn out to be one soon enough), we dont haveba quality no 10. After 18 months there are still too many things he has to fix and the progress has been very little, and that's mostly on to him, how harsh it may be.
When was the last time you posted something that wasn't related to defence of Van Gaal? You didn't earn that tag line for nothing.
About 4 minutes ago.
When was the last time you posted something that wasn't agenda driven drivel?
This summer
Pep (If City have not already got him)
Anceloti (If Bayern have not already got him)
Simeone
Conte
Maurinho
Pep (If City have not already got him)
Anceloti (If Bayern have not already got him)
Simeone
Conte
Maurinho
Was that in the thread where people were talking about our managerial options thinning out beginning with a tweet saying we could have problems if Van Gaal continues to struggle. Let's be generous and say that Van Gaal being talke about had nothing to do with it how far back would we have to go.
If by agenda you mean wanting what is best for Utd then never.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/9453228.stm
Article from when Bayern sacked LVG. The parallels to what's going on here are telling, sounds all too familiar.
"And to say that he had the players behind him was a myth."
Karl-Heinz Rummenigge: "Football should be enjoyable, but there has been nothing enjoyable about football at FC Bayern for a while now."
Article from when Bayern sacked LVG. The parallels to what's going on here are telling, sounds all too familiar.
"And to say that he had the players behind him was a myth."
Karl-Heinz Rummenigge: "Football should be enjoyable, but there has been nothing enjoyable about football at FC Bayern for a while now."
Whats the difference between the fans that want him out after 1.5 seasons and the fans that wanted Fergie out after 2.5 seasons? Genuine Question?
Reckon we will from some but not from McNair, Lingard, Blind, Fellaini, Shaw, Powell, Smalling, Romero, and Valencia though, he's been good for them..... would imagine Mata and Valdes might be the most bitter once he's gone.
Moyes tried his best?
Moyes acted like someone who thought he had 6 hears and was untouchable.
I don't understand what you find funny. Do you think he could have done better than he did? I think he tried but ultimately wasn't up to it.
We're probably going to have the same situation with Giggs when he takes charge. People will be more lenient than if Ancelotti came in because you appreciate it's a learning curve and isn't just a doesn't fit scenario. It doesn't mean the clubs decision won't be judged harshly.
Although saying that people have learned from the Moyes situation so im not sure that kind of patience exists anymore.
If the board after seeing the debacle of the defeat to Bournemouth are content with van Gaal's management, then they are really utter fools.
Woody was vey angry in that one shot. I'm certain they are looking for a replacement. More than likely it will be the summer. But if we also have players expressing their concerns as they rightly should, he may be gone end of the year.
Woody was vey angry in that one shot. I'm certain they are looking for a replacement. More than likely it will be the summer. But if we also have players expressing their concerns as they rightly should, he may be gone end of the year.
Yeah Mata has been played out of position and not given enough opportunities...are you having a laugh the guys been bang average for the money!!
Different era. different teams. different club setups.
Fergie took over a team in 4th right? Regarded still as the best supported club in England and the biggest in many regards. Think thats a cop out pal.
P.S prob different back room staff and tea ladies....
I dont understand this comparison with Fergie at all. and has been discussed over and over again.
Just because he became a success after doesnt mean it will be the same for everyone. If that is the case, maybe we should have let Moyes see out his 6 year contract and hope he magically turns into Fergie.
As for fans wanting Fergie out after 2.5 years, there is nothing wrong with that. What makes you think that they are wrong back then. They must have had their reasons and not a single person back then( both pro- and anti Fergie) could have predicted the success came after.
Are you suggesting that giving someone time will make them successful?
Not saying he hasn't but I'd bet you he was the one that said he was half the player he could be under LvG, and LvG has let him know enough times that he doesn't really rate him on the right by saying we need to buy wingers with speed, and subbing him at every opportunity.
If LvG stays Mata is nailed on to be sold in the summer imo, and sure he'll have something to say about it too.
This thread is going very similar to the "Sack Moyes" Thread.
The arguments people are using to defend LVG are the same ones used to defend Moyes!
The arguments people are using to defend LVG are the same ones used to defend Moyes!
1 SAF was a young manager who had time on his side. LVG has got at most one more season.
As he said many times SAF always tried to win matches it might have led to some poor results at times but you could tell the team wasn't settling for a draw. I feel that with LVG his first rule is do not lose so we are served up some really boring football. It means we play 2 defensive midfielders against mediocer oppisition and draw way too many matches.
Who do the masses want to replace him if he goes now? Can't just sack him "just because" without a real plan in place.
Giggs?? Nobody decent seems to be available yet.
Giggs?? Nobody decent seems to be available yet.
- The players are shit.
- It's not his players. (I invented that one because it seems that for some he isn't responsible for the purchases).
- We can still make top 4.
- He was good before.
- We are not a sacking club.
- United fans are spoilt.
- Who cares about the style only, the results are important -> Who cares about short term results, it's long term results that matter.
- With more time he will turn things around/with more money he will turn things around.
- The press is against us.
- The league is very competitive.
Do you want what's best for United though? Your part of a group undermining the manager. That suggests something very different.
When you have to make up half the crap tk push your tale, then its certainly not a case of wanting what's best. And what of Giggs becomes manager and we become worse than Under Moyes. Will you accept responsibility for your part (not sure how but use your imagination, you have a great one) or just demand the next manager goes until someone comes in and wins something so you can go, told you so?
The improvement required is minimal. We dont need a massive overhaul so why not let the guy finish his work? Were in poor form just now and people want him gone. People wanted him gone when we were in some kind of form. People were making noise last season about it though wouldn't say it outright back then.
Liverpool changed their manager. How are they doing BTW? Better? Not exactly. And they made a serious step up in quality, at least on paper. Villa just changed there's. How's that working out? Newcastle and Sunderland have seen a slight improvement though.
There is no proven benefit of sacking a manager, not even a failing one never mind one who's meeting likely meeting the clubs targets at this stage. For every positive, I can show 10 negatives. Relegations, clubs collapsing all sorts. Thats just football.
Reichsmarshal Goering was quoted as saying, "when I hear the word culture, I reach for my Luger"
A similar response would possibly be just as appropriate should any potential wannabe manager use the word, "philosophy" in his interview for the job.
Sacking Moyes worked then?
It did, we have a better manager who was able to achieve the minimum goals set by the club. Unfortunately he seems unable to improve the team through training and coaching.
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