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Do you want LVG sacked?

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Red Dreams said:
My gut feel is he will be gone after the Holiday fixtures. I don't believe he will be overseasing the player purchases we will be making. I have no idea who will replace him in the short term. It probably will be Giggs. But I'm just guessing.

Now he could win everyone one of those fixtures. Still I think he is gone.
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Would be an utterly stupid decision. He is the Assistant Manager of the current regime and has to be culpable as well as the current manager.

Our club is not in a good place - the first team are a part of it but the youth set up has fallen so far behind our competitors as well. Scouting is in the process of being overhauled. Quite simply, the idea that anyone thinks we can install someone with no experience as manager and have the desired the impact across the club is nonsense.
 
LonelyFire said:
Would be an utterly stupid decision. He is the Assistant Manager of the current regime and has to be culpable as well as the current manager.

Our club is not in a good place - the first team are a part of it but the youth set up has fallen so far behind our competitors as well. Scouting is in the process of being overhauled. Quite simply, the idea that anyone thinks we can install someone with no experience as manager and have the desired the impact across the club is nonsense.
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We are not in the position to be taking those sort of chances. Especially with someone like Giggs.

Why cant we give the job to the best candidate. I fear this kind of backward thinking could set us behind by a couple of years.
 
Stretford End Phil said:
This banner is no way acceptable and our position in the league doesn't warrant such behaviour. Can't stand LVG, never have, but this banner is both ridiculous and offensive. Moyes was out of his depth, and should never have been chosen; but he was not in the same league as LVG. He might have lost it in recent years but LVG's past honours demand, when it happens, a respectful goodbye by both the club and fans.
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I don't agree with the banner but I find your logic here a bit odd.

It was okay to show no respect to to Moyes because he was trying his best in a job he was unqualified for? But because LvG with his ego comes in here with some success at other clubs at the top level he deserves to be treated better on his exit? Or am I misreading you here?

I give him a 1% chance of being here at the end of the season.
 
Smores said:
I don't agree with the banner but I find your logic here a bit odd.

It was okay to show no respect to to Moyes because he was trying his best in a job he was unqualified for? But because LvG with his ego comes in here with some success at other clubs at the top level he deserves to be treated better on his exit? Or am I misreading you here?

I give him a 1% chance of being here at the end of the season.
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You mentioned 'ego' - I very clearly referred only to past 'honours' to distinguish between them. I could have used 'chalk and cheese'. Do you really think only LVG has displayed 'ego' between the two? Maybe I missed something but the 'ego' of mediocrity was quite over-bearing with dull Dave. His latest quip about an international footballer reminds us of that torrid period.
 
Stretford End Phil said:
You mentioned 'ego' - I very clearly referred only to past 'honours' to distinguish between them. I could have used 'chalk and cheese'. Do you really think only LVG has displayed 'ego' between the two? Maybe I missed something but the 'ego' of mediocrity was quite over-bearing with dull Dave. His latest quip about an international footballer reminds us of that torrid period.
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Moyes was weak, his lack of ego caused half the problems.

Don't worry I understand your logic now, you think it's important to show LvG respect but not Moyes because you like one and not the other.
 
Smores said:
Moyes was weak, his lack of ego caused half the problems.

Don't worry I understand your logic now, you think it's important to show LvG respect but not Moyes because you like one and not the other.
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I think the fact the Moyes banner has been done already has some bearing though. To do it yet again really is a bit embarrassing.
 
Smores said:
Moyes was weak, his lack of ego caused half the problems.

Don't worry I understand your logic now, you think it's important to show LvG respect but not Moyes because you like one and not the other.
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I strongly disagree with that. Moyes didn't lack ego, he clearly thought (and still thinks) pretty highly of himself. What he lacked was the prestige and track record to command respect. And the ability of course. Anyway the banner was as embarrassing then as it would be now.
 
Ainu said:
I strongly disagree with that. Moyes didn't lack ego, he clearly thought (and still thinks) pretty highly of himself. What he lacked was the prestige and track record to command respect. And the ability of course. Anyway the banner was as embarrassing then as it would be now.
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I think most people who play or manage in the PL will have a certain amount of self belief, Moyes included. But he did appear to be intimidated by the job. Its not the same thing but it is similar, as it hints at a slight doubt about whether he was up to it, illustrated by the "blood drained from my face" remark and his terminal indecisiveness. I think his ego would be sufficient for most jobs but the United job is so big he needed superhuman self belief to thrive, especially following SAF. But I agree the bigger problem wasnt his belief in himself but others' belief in him.
 
Ainu said:
I strongly disagree with that. Moyes didn't lack ego, he clearly thought (and still thinks) pretty highly of himself. What he lacked was the prestige and track record to command respect. And the ability of course. Anyway the banner was as embarrassing then as it would be now.
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I think charisma played a part too. If he was actually a likeable chap, they'd have played for him. His inexperience and lack of profile could have been overlooked if he could have built a bond. As it was he was a dinosaur disciplinarian and they quickly rejected that.
 
Awaiting the usual comments of "everything in that article is completely made up".
 
Trying to figure out where to post this has been a challenge in itself but this feels like the best place to summarise what the latest stories are over the last few days:

1 - senior players apparently kicking up a storm over tactics / subs etc
2 - players getting 2 days off before the Norwich game to "calm the situation"
3 - board are concerned over the latest reports
4 - plane with "Van Gaal" out due to fly over
5 - Plane not actually going to fly
6 - Pep reportedly coming out next weekend stating he won't be renewing his contract - with United / Chelsea / City all in the frame
7 - Ancelotti due to take over at Bayern as a result

have i missed anything?
 
If he were younger and had the potential to build something, I would be fine with him staying beyond this season even with growing pains, but he's in his last job and intends to retire after next year anyway. He won't accomplish anything in that time for United. Unless it's to make United's football even worse. Possession football for the sake of it is an atrocious philosophy. It's the same in terms of defensiveness as parking the bus if you don't do anything with the ball.
 
Can't see him lasting much longer. There are more noises allegedly coming out the club, and the results won't improve if he's lost the players. Getting a bit like the end of Moyes now.
 
Baxter said:
Can't see him lasting much longer. There are more noises allegedly coming out the club, and the results won't improve if he's lost the players. Getting a bit like the end of Moyes now.
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If he's lost the players, they might start ignoring him and play better football...
 
Sir Matt said:
If he's lost the players, they might start ignoring him and play better football...
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If they honestly think his time is nearly up, I'd say they'd give it a try. But he's around for a while yet, he might drop them out of spite. The arrogant fecker.
 
Said thise before the Wolfsburg game :

''There are moments in one's career that can define a legacy. Catch my drift..''

LVG now has to relay on his experience and expertise to get him, the club and the fans through this noisy period. Still backing him to be a success here, but the results have to come quickly.
 
How about we just swap managers with Chelsea until the end of the season? Jose can take us on a title charge, and LvG can give some Chelsea players a kick up the arse and finally give their youth a chance, could be win win for both clubs.

Failing that how about Conte?
 
At least we haven't got long to find out what peps doing, or is he just revealing if he's staying or leaving Bayern?
 
Conte's not leaving Italy. He has the Euros and the World Cup to prepare for.
 
bleedred said:
Interim?.. Hiddink did the same in 2010 didn't he?
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He did it in 2009 so the situation isn't exactly the same. Euro 2016 is only a few months away and I don't think Conte or the Italian FA would want any unnecessary distractions.
 
Of course, in all this LVG out stuff, those for it seem to have failed to consider one obvious truth.

Change the manager by all means, but you are still stuck with the same players.

The idea a new manager will turn them into world beaters seems a bit far fetched to me.

I mean, a new manager, however talented, is not going to turn Rooney, Carrick, Scweinsteiger, for example into the players they were circa 2009.......will he?
 
David Court said:
Of course, in all this LVG out stuff, those for it seem to have failed to consider one obvious truth.

Change the manager by all means, but you are still stuck with the same players.

The idea a new manager will turn them into world beaters seems a bit far fetched to me.

I mean, a new manager, however talented, is not going to turn Rooney, Carrick, Scweinsteiger, for example into the players they were circa 2009.......will he?
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So a midfield Herrera-BFS-Schneiderlin isn't good on paper? And a new manager can't adjust the roster?
 
Smores said:
I don't agree with the banner but I find your logic here a bit odd.

It was okay to show no respect to to Moyes because he was trying his best in a job he was unqualified for? But because LvG with his ego comes in here with some success at other clubs at the top level he deserves to be treated better on his exit? Or am I misreading you here?

I give him a 1% chance of being here at the end of the season.
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Moyes tried his best? :lol:

Moyes acted like someone who thought he had 6 hears and was untouchable.
 
David Court said:
Of course, in all this LVG out stuff, those for it seem to have failed to consider one obvious truth.

Change the manager by all means, but you are still stuck with the same players.

The idea a new manager will turn them into world beaters seems a bit far fetched to me.

I mean, a new manager, however talented, is not going to turn Rooney, Carrick, Scweinsteiger, for example into the players they were circa 2009.......will he?
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Van Gaal bought Schweinsteiger this summer. He also made the decision to go with Rooney as his main striker after managing him for a year. As for Carrick, it shouldn't be surprising that he is on his last legs aged 34, which is presumably why Van Gaal brought in two midfielders.

The squad might not be brilliant but Van Gaal is not some patsy at the mercy of a Director of Football, nor has he been starved of funds. After 18 months and lots of money, the buck stops with him.
 
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