I didn't read the articles, just the comments. Our fans are fuming (quite right too). It's going to be awful if he continues. His comments were completely ill advised especially in the present climate. Sadly, he doesn't understand our club. I can see now why the players have a shit, negative, fearful attitude - it's mostly from him. It doesn't matter how many expensive great players you buy - he won't instill the right mentality, and hence, we'll still be struggling. I cannot fathom why our cowardly board can't see that it's never going to work with him.I decided to stay well away from what the press might make of those comments. Instead just sat there smiling all day telling myself he said it all because he knows he's off!
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Him complaining about the media when most of the time he talks down to them like sh1t makes me piss, can you imagine if he had the same treatment AVB had.
If he's allowed to stay and Giggs take over after him while missing out yet again on one of the most successful managers who's dying to take the job, then the club deserve everything they get, which I'd put a fair few ££ on wont be success and trophies.
He's being allowed to make us into more of a laughing stock every time he opens his mouth yet people don't want Mourinho
If he's allowed to stay and Giggs take over after him while missing out yet again on one of the most successful managers who's dying to take the job, then the club deserve everything they get, which I'd put a fair few ££ on wont be success and trophies.
He's being allowed to make us into more of a laughing stock every time he opens his mouth yet people don't want Mourinho
I think the no 2 seasons CL threat of a serious reduction in fee or walk away completely from Adidas will be enough for Woody to see sense if he hasn't already.
If fans start threatening to boycott buying the merchandise - Woody will wake up as Adidas ain't gonna like that.
Think it must be hitting already in the sponsorship department year-on-year. In terms of new sponsors brought in this season it's been pretty quiet. Can't remember the last time we announced a new "official coffee flavoured condom supplier" or something of that ilk.
Anyway, I'm waiting to see the decision from them, then will send them a polite feck off note saying they can stuff their merchandise. My godsons won't be happy
But it cannot be helped. Not giving them a penny if they make stupid decisions.Totally agree but don't want it to come to this! Hate the fact I've had to force myself to watch most of this season as I just don't have the same feel about "his" team and way of playing. Don't get me wrong, it's not the fact that we're not winning everything, I can handle not winning if the performances are good … but we're just dire and uninspiring. I pray that the correct decision is made because I really worry that the damage being done will leave us in a Liverpool situation that may take years to dig ourselves out of.
Anyway, I'm waiting to see the decision from them, then will send them a polite feck off note saying they can stuff their merchandise. My godsons won't be happy
Oh for sure it's not that we're not winning the title etc etc - it's the whole negativity, and the lack of progress it seems. Took me a while, but must admit, he will not get to grips with this league. He's retiring soon, so why not just say thanks and good luck?
And so many of our fans are saying the same thing as you - some long term supporters as well. I just find it incomprehensible that the club can ignore this. So I'm hoping common sense prevails. May need to send Ed some in the post
Goodness knows what goes through the minds of the United suits.I feel exactly the same. I'd feel better about the whole situation if I was seeing a year by year improvement in this Van Gaal team, but there's nothing!
I've supported this team for the best part of 30 years and I cannot remember being as frustrated and bored as I have been this season.
I was speaking with my brother in law the other day that absolutely hates United, but he hit the nail square on the head.
He said that in the past even if you hated Manchester United you'd always watch them because they were just so entertaining and you knew that there would be goals and attacking football galore. He then said that United under Van Gaal was barely recognisable and that we were a boring excuse of a team that was now a joke to opposition fans.
I couldn't disagree with him
.Can't we all bombard the official United Twitter or Facebook page with LVG out messages? Surely thousands of comments like that on social media would be seen as "brand" damaging?
I cannot believe that it's got to the point where I'm plotting ways to sabotage my football club to get the board to sack this idiot. It's just mental!!
I cannot believe that it's got to the point where I'm plotting ways to sabotage my football club to get the board to sack this idiot. It's just mental!!
Will Vangle go quietly* into the Portuguese sunset...or will we have to roll him up in an old carpet and bung him in a skip?
*No.
*No.
For finishing at least 4th in the league with Man United? He has to make up his mind whether he's one of the best or worst managers in the world.
If we want to be one of the top teams i tge world then that is the standard we should aim at. Instead our defense is filled with crocked/average defenders, failed wingers and average midfielders, our cm is filled with championship level midfielders/has beens, and our wingers can barely beat the player
It's time we stop saying that we are the best team in the world and instead start acting like we are one. The best team in the world doesn't have players like fellaini, lingard, rojo, McNair and valencia in it
Just another 'It's everyones fault but mine'
Typical Louis
Typical Louis
It is really
And I highly recommend it to the Twitter usersIf each of us who are pissed off do our bit, i.e. not spend money on merchandise etc, and send messages to United saying - "no problem -you keep LVG, and not hire a proven world class coach to replace him - but we're locking up our credit cards" - I'm pretty certain it will at least make the money men take notice. Hell, twitter Adidas as well (I don't know how Twitter works, assuming you can include others
). However, that is the only way I can see that would get their attention. I don't like doing that. But otherwise, we'll be like Arsenal fans, who complain all the time, but still spend all this money - whilst the board ignores them.
We are in a period of transition to be fair to him. I think the experienced players need to step up just as much as LVG. However, Jose is available and can we risk doing nothing? I don't think we can. If I were Arsenal, I would nudge Wenger out and hire Jose personally. With so many big teams changing manager - we can't let them get in a head start on us. So I guess we'll know soon enough.
Not really. We had one bad season, he prolonged it into three (and counting).
Bull. So are Spurs. So are Leicester.
Are you a racist?
We are in a period of transition but man it cannot take 3 years to rebuild with the resources at our disposal. No other big team on earth would accept that. I think the fact that he was given a 3 year contract greatly distorted his own timeline.
I feel exactly the same. I'd feel better about the whole situation if I was seeing a year by year improvement in this Van Gaal team, but there's nothing!
I've supported this team for the best part of 30 years and I cannot remember being as frustrated and bored as I have been this season.
I was speaking with my brother in law the other day that absolutely hates United, but he hit the nail square on the head.
He said that in the past even if you hated Manchester United you'd always watch them because they were just so entertaining and you knew that there would be goals and attacking football galore. He then said that United under Van Gaal was barely recognisable and that we were a boring excuse of a team that was now a joke to opposition fans.
I couldn't disagree with him
Heard this a lot this season and cannot disagree. It was even mentioned to me by some neutrals a few times last season but I was so blind that I couldn't see it happening. I believed we were on the right track "Shhhhh, be quiet! Listen to your manager", "We go on" and all of that!
Trouble is that I now share their opinion and where opposition fans can be smugly happy about the warm feeling it gives them, to see us play such negative football after years of having to watch our success, I'm have trouble dealing with the feelings it's giving me … mainly because I can see the ONLY solution and some people are shying away from it because they'd rather see us lose our integrity and identity than have Manchester United perceived as a sacking club
as if that's even a fecking "thing"That was because LVG was leading them then. Once they got rid of the deadweight they improved drastically. Just like we will once the Dutch finds his way to Portugal.
He's a really strange person, as much as I want to back him, his rhetoric are annoying. You can't call yourself one of the best managers in the world when you struggle to make Top 4 after spending so much money. That is just offensive.
You do exaggerate at times.
Your caricature of our defence is at least recognisable. Our midfield tho is not far off being very good, it may not be quite good enough yet but it's close. Our best (outfield at least) player is a winger, he beats a man with ease.
You're right tho. We should aspire to more. Reading your post reminds me of when we were absolutely thrashed by Barca and responded by buying Young. I remember so clearly my, perhaps disproportionate anger at that signing, but it symbolised the issue you're referring to, which seems to be deep rooted at this club. I guess it's the flip side of our sense of superiority, our apparent unwillingness to lower ourselves to the grubby business of buying success (tho we've tried a bit in recent years, I'd argue we've just not been very good at it, more practise needed i guess.)
Well we've currently have this defense
Valencia - a failed winger whose being played as RB because that's the only way we can get something out of him
Darmian - hardly set OT alight
Varela - a random kid
Smalling - had improved alot in this year
Jones - a crock and not very good in defending. Great facial expressions though
Rojo - He's like Jones without the injuries and the facial expressions
Blind - a midfield in defense. He gives some good performances every now and then but he's still a midfielder playing as CB and would probably be skinned alive against the majority of top strikers especially if Smalling isn't there to cover his arse.
Mcnair - the least said about him the better
Shaw - great talent but he's pretty unfortunate with injuried
CBJ - he had shown great promise but its still early days (I love the guy and I hope he keeps getting better)
That is it. There's some great talent there (Smalling, Shaw and CBJ) but its not good enough, far from it. If LVG's didn't use the most defensive minded system in United's history and DDG is simply outstanding then we would be struggling.
Same thing about the flanks
Young, Depay, Lingard, Januzaj - none of them would be first team level (or even near to that) in SAF's top sides. They would probably lose out against the likes of Park, Sharpe, Nani or Blomqvist let alone compete with the quality wingers United had when they were really a top club. Mata is not a winger (he's slow and a coward).
In CM we've got bigger names. Herrera,Schneiderlin, Fellaini, Bastian, Carrick. However let us be honest. Herrera and Schneiderlin have yet to show any consistency, Fellaini is crap with his feet which is kind of a problem when you're a midfielder playing FOOTball. Regarding Bastian and Carrick, well, I would hate to use the old horses/glue factory joke but its not 2007 anymore isn't it? None of these players would be regular first teamer at a big team.
I do agree that a great manager would improve this side, hence why I want LVG out like all of you. However lets face it. We may expect the team to growl like a lion (greatest club in the world bla bla bla) but talent wise we're little more then kittens. This underinvestment had been going on for quite some time (both in terms of players but also in terms of managers) and this strategy have to change.
@devilish Darmian will come good. Remember Evra, that gives me hope. Similar with Schneiderlin, who has looked closer to being settled already. Also you didn't mention Fosu Mensah. But that's a small omission, I'm not putting all my hopes on his shoulders. My point is, yes there is still quite a bit of dross in this side but there are pockets of quality too. I think the inconsistency is down to mismanagement, specifically lack of motivation and confusion about what individuals are supposed to be doing. We have 7 or 8 players of a starting 11 that could compete for the league under the right manager.
If, maybe, one day....that excuse has been used time and time again (Welbeck, the crocked twins, Jones, Evans, Ando) and is the reason why we are in this silly situation. I am not suggesting that we should sell Darmian and Schneiderlin. Actually I think its too early to do so. All I am saying is lets stop being so patient with players and for god sake lets stop hyping them too. If a player fails to deliver after 2 years in a row then maybe its time we stop putting so many hopes on him
That's probably fair in usual circumstances. When you have a manager like Van Gaal, who so demonstrably struggles to get even the sum total of his parts out if his team, I make extra allowances. At the end of the day patience and hope are important parts of being a football supporter. We aren't the only club who has underachieving players, who have to hope they'll come good.
This is why the guy is a complete joke, he spends most of the time paranoid that the media have some called agenda against, when he cannot see how much he has failed at his job. His senile mind seems to forget, he is working in a place where its media orientated. If he thinks the media should not be singling him out for the job he has done he really is lost, if he was where spurs are he would not get the treatment he is getting, he is not second almost challenging for the title, he is 5th who cant even overtake a city side with no fight in the PL, even on city's worst days despite us taking 4 points off them, they still probably will finish ahead of us
We have invest
We haven't under invested in players. it is a myth and an excuse
I wouldnt say its a myth, we did go through a period of underinvestment. I think since SAF left we have tried to change that, now its less about underinvestment and more a mixture of investing poorly and mismanagement of the resources we do have. Its actually quite hard to work out how much it is of one relative to the other because Van Gaal has made it quite hard at times to judge what a player can really do. Herrera is probably my favourite example of this, I agree with Devilish to a point, that if a player keeps underperforming, at one point you have to accept maybe they arent as good as you thought - echoes of Anderson. But until I see Herrera play under a different manager I wont give up on him. Memphis could also look much better next season if he knuckles down and if the next manager has faith in him - neither of which will necessarily happen - though it may be tricky to fit him in the side given he plays in the same position as Martial.
It is a myth Browski, we are right up there in every way. Considering we have a good academy to provide players and got bargains like Vidic and Evra, our net spend is similar to clubs like Real Madrid. but still we are near the top in every way yet hear claims that we underspent. Since 2011 when Fergie was here and we made a CL final, we are level with the likes of City
# Nett Spend 03/04 - 13/14 Purchased Gross Sold Net Per Season
1 Manchester City £948,020,000 £278,950,000 £669,070,000 £51,466,923
2 Chelsea £995,959,000 £415,650,000 £580,309,000 £44,639,154
3 Manchester United £697,050,000 £284,150,000 £412,900,000 £31,761,538
4 Liverpool £690,780,000 £426,300,000 £264,480,000 £20,344,615
5 Aston Villa £297,750,000 £158,825,000 £138,925,000 £10,686,538
6 Sunderland £256,010,000 £141,500,000 £114,510,000 £8,808,462
10 Stoke City £146,120,000 £37,595,000 £108,525,000 £8,348,077
7 West Ham £220,030,000 £122,725,000 £97,305,000 £7,485,000
8 Arsenal £405,675,000 £309,770,000 £95,905,000 £7,377,308
9 Newcastle £301,100,000 £215,550,000 £85,550,000 £6,580,769
11 Tottenham £555,050,000 £478,100,000 £76,950,000 £5,919,231
12 West Bromwich Albion £144,855,000 £71,199,000 £73,656,000 £5,665,846
15 Lieicester £76,570,000 £16,965,000 £59,605,000 £4,585,000
14 Everton £228,750,500 £172,416,000 £56,334,500 £4,333,423
15 Norwich City £100,975,000 £53,210,000 £47,765,000 £3,674,231
17 Bournemouth £47,770,000 £4,740,000 £43,030,000 £3,310,000
16 Crystal Palace £90,735,000 £51,400,000 £39,335,000 £3,025,769
18 Swansea £91,595,000 £75,625,000 £15,970,000 £1,228,462
19 Southampton £202,765,000 £191,000,000 £11,765,000 £905,000
20 Watford £53,640,000 £45,895,000 £7,745,000 £595,769
# Net Spend last 5 Years Purchased Gross Sold Net Per Season
1 Manchester City £472,800,000 £159,300,000 £313,500,000 £62,700,000
2 Manchester United £432,700,000 £144,400,000 £288,300,000 £57,660,000
4 Chelsea £475,959,000 £277,250,000 £198,709,000 £39,741,800
3 Liverpool £354,100,000 £190,770,000 £163,330,000 £32,666,000
5 Arsenal £258,625,000 £154,600,000 £104,025,000 £20,805,000
6 West Ham £120,600,000 £22,000,000 £98,600,000 £19,720,000
7 Newcastle £164,500,000 £68,150,000 £96,350,000 £19,270,000
8 Stoke City £88,550,000 £24,100,000 £64,450,000 £12,890,000
9 Sunderland £121,430,000 £59,550,000 £61,880,000 £12,376,000
14 Leicester £64,000,000 £8,650,000 £55,350,000 £11,070,000
10 Norwich City £88,425,000 £35,650,000 £52,775,000 £10,555,000
11 West Bromwich Albion £74,750,000 £24,509,000 £50,241,000 £10,048,200
15 Crystal Palace £74,635,000 £25,900,000 £48,735,000 £9,747,000
12 Bournemouth £47,750,000 £3,700,000 £44,050,000 £8,810,000
15 Southampton £179,100,000 £142,850,000 £36,250,000 £7,250,000
16 Aston Villa £123,850,000 £90,200,000 £33,650,000 £6,730,000
17 Everton £122,700,000 £89,316,000 £33,384,000 £6,676,800
18 Watford £40,650,000 £16,800,000 £23,850,000 £4,770,000
19 Swansea £87,675,000 £78,160,000 £9,515,000 £1,903,000
20 Tottenham £254,650,000 £308,350,000 -£53,700,000 -£10,740,000
I am powerless in the face of such a wall of stats.
Agree with all this. Whenever I see our lineup on tv it still surprises me just how weak it is. It has Europa League written all over it, rather than Champions League.
A second rate team and a second rate manager. No surprise why we're struggling for 4th.
Van Gaal not knowing whether or not De Gea is married at the POTY awards. Sums him up really.
Can you imagine Fergie being so ignorant about any of his players? Not a chance. Fergie would have known his missus' dog's name, breed and vet's name.
I loathe everything about you Luis, you square-headed arrogant pr1ck.... he thinks he's the best manager in the world. My money is on him being sectioned into a home for the mentally unstable within 2 years. The man is more deluded than K-Pax.
Can you imagine Fergie being so ignorant about any of his players? Not a chance. Fergie would have known his missus' dog's name, breed and vet's name.
I loathe everything about you Luis, you square-headed arrogant pr1ck.... he thinks he's the best manager in the world. My money is on him being sectioned into a home for the mentally unstable within 2 years. The man is more deluded than K-Pax.
All this shit about treating players like human beings blah blah philosophy and that.
Boo LvG, let's sack him and hire Mourinho, whose latest Premier League exploits includes taking a league winning side and ending his career with them in an unprecedented free-fall.
your comment is not biased at all.
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