LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!

[Cassidy]

I can see where he's coming from in some instances. There seems to be a "title or sack" mentality among some people.

Horse shit, I don't think anyone even expected us to win the title this season after not strengthening the attack properly in the summer.
What was expected though was:

Entertaining football
Knockout stages of the UCL
Top 3 in the league and a decent challenge for the title
Qualification for the UCL and some improvement in overall performances on last season.

None of the above were met. He has failed miserably

 

[Sky1981]

No, I'm not. My father was Rhaegar Targaryen who married my mother Lyanna Stark, you son-of-a-bitch!

Lol. Come a few weeks you'll find out that you're still a bastard. Lol

 

[VP89]

I think @Rednotdead secretly realises he's arguing the wrong point, but is just going ahead with it anyway to save face.

I did that in the Rashford thread. It doesn't work out well

 

[Rednotdead]

Horse shit, I don't think anyone even expected us to win the title this season after not strengthening the attack properly in the summer.
What was expected though was:

Entertaining football
Knockout stages of the UCL
Top 3 in the league and a decent challenge for the title
Qualification for the UCL and some improvement in overall performances on last season.

None of the above were met. He has failed miserably

What was expected by whom?

 

[Rednotdead]

I think @Rednotdead secretly realises he's arguing the wrong point, but is just going ahead with it anyway to save face.

I did that in the Rashford thread. It doesn't work out well

What do you mean, wrong point?

 

[Cassidy]

What was expected by whom?

From everyone who listened to what he said start of the season, and not only that start of his employment.
He made promises, he set expectations and he has fallen far below them. Are we all going to forget his end of season speech last season too. This guy is a revisionist.

He made a very bold statement when he first joined about being brought in to bring entertaining attacking football back to United after Moyes left. he has failed miserably.

 

[Rednotdead]

From everyone who listened to what he said start of the season, and not only that start of his employment.
He made promises, he set expectations and he has fallen far below them. Are we all going to forget his end of season speech last season too. This guy is a revisionist.

He made a very bold statement when he first joined about being brought in to bring entertaining attacking football back to United after Moyes left. he has failed miserably.

I think you'll find that what we expected of him, regardless of what he may or may not have said, is irrelevant. The only relevant thing is what the Board expected of him and they will make their decision based on that.

 

[Cassidy]

I think you'll find that what we expected of him, regardless of what he may or may not have said, is irrelevant. The only relevant thing is what the Board expected of him and they will make their decision based on that.

I agree, I think you misunderstand me. He told everyone what the board expected of him in the 3 year plan when he joined in his first press conference.

So if he stays then not only is he a revisionist, but so are the board too.

 

[VP89]

What do you mean, wrong point?

You've continuously tried make a case that LVG is still making progress, or, can remain on target this season . Finishing in 4th isn't progression.

 

[Rednotdead]

I agree, I think you misunderstand me. He told everyone what the board expected of him in the 3 year plan when he joined in his first press conference.

So if he stays then not only is he a revisionist, but so are the board too.

The only caveat is that the Board could possibly have changed the expectations because of all the injuries we've had. We don't really know how their minds work.

 

[Cassidy]

The only caveat is that the Board could possibly have changed the expectations because of all the injuries we've had. We don't really know how their minds work.

Hence them being a bunch of revisionists, injuries should be accounted for, considering we had them last season as well and still decided on using a light squad.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Depressing to think we used to make fun of Arsenal incessantly for their 'three year plans' which never got them anywhere, and yet, here we are...

 

[Cassidy]

Depressing to think we used to make fun of Arsenal incessantly for their 'three year plans' which never got them anywhere, and yet, here we are...

Yes and fighting for the 4th place trophy and calling winning the FA cup a successful season...

 

[Big Ben Foster]

The only caveat is that the Board could possibly have changed the expectations because of all the injuries we've had. We don't really know how their minds work.

You're right, it's not like we've had to deal with an injury crisis every. single. season. stretching as far back as I can remember.

 

[Rednotdead]

You've continuously tried make a case that LVG is still making progress, or, can remain on target this season . Finishing in 4th isn't progression.

I've never claimed he's still making progress.

We don't know what the Board's expectations are or how/if they've changed since the beginning of the season. In the light of all the injuries we've had, they may have revised expectations down. They may regard 4th (should we get 4th) as acceptable or they may regard it as failure. Thus Van Gaal may still be "on course" in their eyes or may not. What we think is progress is totally irrelevant to their decision.

 

[ZAGREB RED]

He wants to turn United into his version of Wenger's Arsenal, top 4 finish and maybe and FA Cup will do

 

[VP89]

I've never claimed he's still making progress.

We don't know what the Board's expectations are or how/if they've changed since the beginning of the season. In the light of all the injuries we've had, they may have revised expectations down. They may regard 4th (should we get 4th) as acceptable or they may regard it as failure. Thus Van Gaal may still be "on course" in their eyes or may not. What we think is progress is totally irrelevant to their decision.

The board expectations are quite obvious. Ed Woodward/LVG have eluded to it last season. Heck last season at the PFA LVG said he expects to "go for it".

 

[Rednotdead]

He wants to turn United into his version of Wenger's Arsenal, top 4 finish and maybe and FA Cup will do

I don't think he is at all. I think he's just a man under pressure, trying to keep his job and salvage his reputation. He's just trying to stay above water in the hope things will improve in his last season (if he gets there).

 

[BlakeUtd]

I honestly cannot take another year of LVG at utd. Something about his tenure here has drained me of almost all my love for the prem league and football in general. When Utd would be out of competitions under Fergie it wasnt sooo bad because somehow I knew there'd be an exciting silver lining (even if it was only the assurance of an assertive bounce back the next season). Now even when we have the chance to win the fa cup after so long, all I can feel is numbness because of our generally shambolic/ clueless football season. his smugness makes things much worse as well

 

[JPRouve]

I think you'll find that what we expected of him, regardless of what he may or may not have said, is irrelevant. The only relevant thing is what the Board expected of him and they will make their decision based on that.

Unfortunately I can't find the source but the minimum goal is supposed to be top 3, iirc that's what Woodward said to the shareholders. And top 3 makes sense since it equates to a direct CL qualification.

 

[Adebesi]

No way will the board accept excuses about injuries, it is the manager's job to deal with that and the board gave him everything he wanted, he chose to go into the season with the squad he did.

 

[Rednotdead]

The board expectations are quite obvious. Ed Woodward/LVG have eluded to it last season. Heck last season at the PFA LVG said he expects to "go for it".

Yes, and this season he could have been pleading with them to revise expectations because of the inordinate number of injuries. Wouldn't you, if you thought you might lose your job? I'm not saying it's a relevant excuse but it's one he might try.

 

[Esquire]

I think you'll find that what we expected of him, regardless of what he may or may not have said, is irrelevant. The only relevant thing is what the Board expected of him and they will make their decision based on that.

It may be the only relevant thing but that doesn't make it the right thing. If your argument is sound, there is no need to carry on United tradition, the attacking play, the never say die attitude. All that matter is that LVG gets the team to 4th.

 

[VP89]

Yes, and this season he could have been pleading with them to revise expectations because of the inordinate number of injuries. Wouldn't you, if you thought you might lose your job? I'm not saying it's a relevant excuse but it's one he might try.

The likelihood is our board wouldn't buy that.

 

[Rednotdead]

No way will the board accept excuses about injuries, it is the manager's job to deal with that and the board gave him everything he wanted, he chose to go into the season with the squad he did.

Yes, but there are other politics at play as well. Those Board members who oppose Mourinho might be swayed.

 

[TheNewEra]

If Leicester can win the league, no reason why UTD can't sack him.

 

[Esquire]

Yes, and this season he could have been pleading with them to revise expectations because of the inordinate number of injuries. Wouldn't you, if you thought you might lose your job? I'm not saying it's a relevant excuse but it's one he might try.

I agree with this. He has been telling the media this over the past few weeks about people forgetting we were first before injuries hit. Definitely putting it as a mitigation point.

 

[SalfordRed1960]

Yes and fighting for the 4th place trophy and calling winning the FA cup a successful season...

I would love to know what you class as a successful season. We had a poll earlier in the season on fans expectations, only 35% (me included) expected us to be champions. So most did not think we would be champions. We were certainly not going to win the CL. Therefore, what was success going to look like from your eye's, if winning a trophy is not classed as successful?

 

[Cassidy]

I would love to know what you class as a successful season. We had a poll earlier in the season on fans expectations, only 35% (me included) expected us to be champions. So most did not think we would be champions. We were certainly not going to win the CL. Therefore, what was success going to look like from your eye's, if winning a trophy is not classed as successful?

If you read up you will find your answer, and no it didn't include us winning the league or the UCL

 

[Rednotdead]

If Leicester can win the league, no reason why UTD can't sack him.

Woodward - "Ok Lousy, Leicester have won the league. You're sacked!"

 

[ghagua]

What was expected by whom?

By the board, which will be reflected when they fire his @ss after the cup final

 

[SalfordRed1960]

If you read up you will find your answer, and no it didn't include us winning the league or the UCL

I did. You wrote about what you expected below:

What was expected though was:

Entertaining football
Knockout stages of the UCL
Top 3 in the league and a decent challenge for the title
Qualification for the UCL and some improvement in overall performances on last season.

None of the above were met. He has failed miserably

The last point is probably covered by points 1 and 3, but is that really success? Maybe acceptable, but success? That is why I asked. I would have thought winning a trophy of any sort would have been classed as successful, though the fans may not have been happy with the entertainment.

 

[GiddyUp]

The only caveat is that the Board could possibly have changed the expectations because of all the injuries we've had. We don't really know how their minds work.

And not one penny was spent in the mid season window to counteract these injuries. December and January were the worst months I have ever experienced as a fan of this great club. Giving youth a chance is commendable but not feasible for a club with our ambitions. I'm a bit disillusioned at some who fear that our young team who can only hope to finish above mid table will be torn asunder by a guy who builds championship winning teams everywhere he goes.

 

[Cassidy]

I did. You wrote about what you expected below:

What was expected though was:

Entertaining football
Knockout stages of the UCL
Top 3 in the league and a decent challenge for the title
Qualification for the UCL and some improvement in overall performances on last season.

None of the above were met. He has failed miserably

The last point is probably covered by points 1 and 3, but is that really success? Maybe acceptable, but success? That is why I asked. I would have thought winning a trophy of any sort would have been classed as successful, though the fans may not have been happy with the entertainment.

For me a successful season would have been improving on what we did last season, (which was an improvement on the season before) and looking like a team who could seriously challenge for the title next season with a few additions.

Winning the FA cup is great, but Arsenal won 2 and look at them now. Of course I will be happy if we win the FA cup, but it doesn't hide the fact that we IMO have been worse than last season and are going backwards at the moment instead of forwards. That IMO cannot be a successful season.

 

[Oneunited26]

Woodward - "Ok Lousy, Leicester have won the league. You're sacked!"

And VG moaned about not having a Neymar to do anything, because he had ashley young, oh yes Leicester didnt have any fancy name to win it, VG continues to embarrass himself each time. The worst part is? even man city at their worst, we took 4 points off them, yet they still could finish ahead of us more likely

 

[ZAGREB RED]

I don't think he is at all. I think he's just a man under pressure, trying to keep his job and salvage his reputation. He's just trying to stay above water in the hope things will improve in his last season (if he gets there).

To be fair, I think that's possibly the other side of the coin from the point I made, so yes, I can see that point of view also. The fact that he is only at OT for 3 years (max) means he is limited in what he can do in that time so it's not like Arsenal fans getting frustrated with Wenger seeing top 4, CL last 16 and a few FA Cups as success as that seems to be his targets over the long term.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

More Rojos and Depays then.

I'll take another Martial or Blind too. Even Fergie took more than his fair share of gambles in the transfer market, Bebe and Zaha come to mind recently while gambles like Hernandez worked out pretty well. Memphis is at least better than either of the former two.

 

[sunama]

You've continuously tried make a case that LVG is still making progress, or, can remain on target this season . Finishing in 4th isn't progression.

...just to remind you, we are not in 4th place.
We are in 5th and will most likely finish there.

 

[VP89]

...just to remind you, we are not in 4th place.
We are in 5th and will most likely finish there.

I think its very possible to finish 4th, but FWIW I argue that even if we do then its still a failed season.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

And VG moaned about not having a Neymar to do anything, because he had ashley young, oh yes Leicester didnt have any fancy name to win it, VG continues to embarrass himself each time. The worst part is? even man city at their worst, we took 4 points off them, yet they still could finish ahead of us more likely

I'm not sure what it would take for people to realize that Leicester City is the outlier, not the rule. If you continue to use the outlier as the standard, you can blast every manager in the league including your butt daddy Mourinho.