LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!

[Dobba]

Boo LvG, let's sack him and hire Mourinho, whose latest Premier League exploits includes taking a league winning side and ending his career with them in an unprecedented free-fall.

Run away while you still can, the Maureen fanboys are coming.

 

[Eriku]

your comment is not biased at all.

Granted, it's not exactly the whole truth of the matter, but let's face it, people assuming Mourinho is going to guarantee success in a way that LvG is incapable of are pretending to know shit they can't possibly know. The fact that Mourinho fell on his face in this incredible way should be enough to make people hedge their claims a bit more.

 

[devilish]

Granted, it's not exactly the whole truth of the matter, but let's face it, people assuming Mourinho is going to guarantee success in a way that LvG is incapable of are pretending to know shit they can't possibly know. The fact that Mourinho fell on his face in this incredible way should be enough to make people hedge their claims a bit more.

no one can guarantee success not even SAF. That doesn't mean that LVG is not senile and a relic of a football that is far gone. I bet even a resurrected Busby has more modern ideas about football then LVG. At least he wouldn't be as stubborn as Louis

 

[Eriku]

no one can guarantee success not even SAF. That doesn't mean that LVG is not senile and a relic of a football that is far gone. I bet even a resurrected Busby has more modern ideas about football then LVG. At least he wouldn't be as stubborn as Louis

Yeah. I'm biased and you're not, is that it?

 

[devilish]

Yeah. I'm biased and you're not, is that it?

not really.

LVG hasn't won anything of note in the past 5-6 years. He hasn't won the CL for the past two decades and he was booted out from Bayern and Barcelona and that because he failed there badly. You can't compare him with a man who had spent 5 years in England and had won 3 EPL titles, 1 FA cup and 3 league titles

 

[Eriku]

not really.

LVG hasn't won anything of note in the past 5-6 years. He hasn't won the CL for the past two decades and he was booted out from Bayern and Barcelona and that because he failed there badly. You can't compare him with a man who had spent 5 years in England and had won 3 EPL titles, 1 FA cup and 3 league titles

World cup bronze with a weak Holland? And he's never presided over a lapse like the one Chelsea suffered under Mourinho this season.

Seriously, I can see why people are underwhelmed by LvG and want him out, I really do. You're more biased than me, and mentions of senility and the like go a long way to prove it.

 

[sunama]

Eriku, I'd much rather take a risk with a serial winner (Mourinho), than stick with guaranteed 4th/5th place (LVG).
Winners take risks. Winners don't win by playing safe. This is the the case in ALL sports. No exception.

I can't believe how any genuine MUFC supporter would find it acceptable that we are hoping, with a bit of luck, that we get 4th place. And if we achieve 4th place, we al celebrate like it's some kind of unprecedented achievement.

 

[devilish]

World cup bronze with a weak Holland? And he's never presided over a lapse like the one Chelsea suffered under Mourinho this season.

Seriously, I can see why people are underwhelmed by LvG and want him out, I really do. You're more biased than me, and mentions of senility and the like go a long way to prove it.

LVG is senile. We're talking about a guy who showed the balls to Luca Toni and called journalists fat man. A person who see fit to play midfielders in defense, strikers in midfield and who expect CBs to take corners. Players sign with him only to handle their resignation letter few months later. These are not the actions of a well balanced man.

The national team is an old man's job. Conte tried it and it nearly drove him crazy. Luck plays a part in it too. Greece and Denmark won the Euros and no one think that their respective managers are geniuses. Leading a top club on a day in day out basis is a whole different cup of tea and LVG hasn't been doing that right for a long long time.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

LVG is senile. We're talking about a guy who showed the balls to Luca Toni and called journalists fat man. A person who see fit to play midfielders in defense, strikers in midfield and who expect CBs to take corners. Players sign with him only to handle their resignation letter few months later. These are not the actions of a well balanced man.

Guardiola has done most of these things and he is the most sought after manager in world football. Hell even Luis Enrique has been persisting with Mascherano in defense, who is a midfielder by trade so its not a one off occurrence. The problem with LvG is that he hasn't been able to replicate the same kind of results, which is fair criticism and the quality of players sure has a lot to do with it as well but his methods are not entirely mercurial and unique when compared to other managers of his ilk around the world.

 

[ghagua]

Boo LvG, let's sack him and hire Mourinho, whose latest Premier League exploits includes taking a league winning side and ending his career with them in an unprecedented free-fall.

A team with which he led to the title in his 2nd year, something LvG can only dream of.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

World cup bronze with a weak Holland? And he's never presided over a lapse like the one Chelsea suffered under Mourinho this season.

Seriously, I can see why people are underwhelmed by LvG and want him out, I really do. You're more biased than me, and mentions of senility and the like go a long way to prove it.

This isn't true, he left Barcelona three points above the relegation zone midway through the 2002-3 season before being sacked. He also finished 11th in his third season at AZ, after reaching 2nd and 3rd place in the previous two seasons (and before winning the Eredivisie in his final year there). He also failed to qualify for the 2002 WC during his first spell with the Netherlands.

I can understand why people don't want Mourinho at United but the truth is that, despite his terrible last season at Chelsea, he remains the most qualified available candidate for the job. I believe that's what devilish is trying to say. Whether one likes him or not is a different story but he's, without a doubt, an elite manager. You may prefer a younger manager who looks on the rise, someone who prioritizes the academy players or an ex club legend but Mourinho is the "been there and done that at the highest level" option. LvG was too but i'm afraid he's burnt all his cards by now.

 

[Will Absolute]

In fairness LVG's tenure hasn't been terrible from a results perspective. If we somehow scramble into fourth place this season, his record will best be described as mediocre.

But mediocrity should be nowhere near good enough for Manchester United, and mediocrity playing awful football even less so. I just hope the owners share that opinion.

 

[DenisIrwin]

It does seem as though Lotta Damn Gall will be here next season.

 

[devilish]

Guardiola has done most of these things and he is the most sought after manager in world football. Hell even Luis Enrique has been persisting with Mascherano in defense, who is a midfielder by trade so its not a one off occurrence. The problem with LvG is that he hasn't been able to replicate the same kind of results, which is fair criticism and the quality of players sure has a lot to do with it as well but his methods are not entirely mercurial and unique when compared to other managers of his ilk around the world.

I wasn't aware that Pep showed his balls to a player, he got sacked after taking Bayern out of top 3 (that one club league were Bayern cherry picks the players from the rest) and from Barcelona after finishing at 12th place. It never crossed my mind that he tend to piss off players he signed just few months before forcing them to handle their transfer request. Also I was under the impression that Pep last won the CL in 2010-11 and not 21 years ago. In matter of fact I thought that Pep was still a Barcelona player back then, similarly to Hughes who was playing for United at the time. My apologies.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

I wasn't aware that Pep showed his balls to a player, he got sacked after taking Bayern out of top 3 (that one club league were Bayern cherry picks the players from the rest) and from Barcelona after finishing at 12th place. It never crossed my mind that he tend to piss off players he signed just few months before forcing them to handle their transfer request. Also I was under the impression that Pep last won the CL in 2010-11 and not 21 years ago. In matter of fact I thought that Pep was still a Barcelona player back then, similarly to Hughes who was playing for United at the time. My apologies.

Ok champ, I was talking about these two complaints:

A person who see fit to play midfielders in defense, strikers in midfield and who expect CBs to take corners. Players sign with him only to handle their resignation letter few months later.

 

[devilish]

Ok champ, I was talking about these two complaints:

its one thing trying a player or two out of position and its another trying to reinvent the wheel and keep insisting on philosophy despite its not working

 

[All 3 United]

Just watching City in the semifinals of the CL after we got knocked out of an easy group. Tomorrow Liverpool in the semifinals of the Europa after knocking us out and we've got a manager saying he's the one of the best in the world. You seriously couldn't write it. If this guys in charge next season, I won't be watching.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

By the end of May do you guys think we will know for certain who the United manager will be for next season? Be it LvG, Mourinho, Giggs or whoever?

 

[Scorpy]

Just watching City in the semifinals of the CL after we got knocked out of an easy group. Tomorrow Liverpool in the semifinals of the Europa after knocking us out and we've got a manager saying he's the one of the best in the world. You seriously couldn't write it. If this guys in charge next season, I won't be watching.

Don't think you mean it. We'd all continue to watch despite being pissed off at Woody and Vangle, because it's Manchester United and when you've dedicated many years to the club, you can't just stop caring/bothering. It'd be a fecking joke if he's kept on, but I'm sure all of us would watch despite the frustration making some say otherwise.

By the end of May do you guys think we will know for certain who the United manager will be for next season? Be it LvG, Mourinho, Giggs or whoever?

Definitely. I expect us to sack Van Gaal after the FA Cup final regardless of the remaining games' outcome. It's probably down to wishful thinking, though.

 

[endless_wheelies]

Don't think you mean it. We'd all continue to watch despite being pissed off at Woody and Vangle, because it's Manchester United and when you've dedicated many years to the club, you can't just stop caring/bothering. It'd be a fecking joke if he's kept on, but I'm sure all of us would watch despite the frustration making some say otherwise.




Definitely. I expect us to sack Van Gaal after the FA Cup final regardless of the remaining games' outcome. It's probably down to wishful thinking, though.

I stopped going to Old Trafford and started getting Leicester tickets whenever I could months ago. Far more fun.

 

[Spock]

We've asked a number of difficult hypothetical questions, such as "would you accept 4th place if it meant keeping LVG?" and so on, so how about this?

Would you be willing to accept LVG for one last season in exchange for picking up Greizmann, Hummels, Kante and selling Rooney to a Chinese club?

After 0.1 seconds of hard thought, I'd take that deal.

 

[Judas]

I have no belief that LVG could get the best out of the worlds greatest players, I also have no interest in seeing him attempt another season here even if he had the pick of whoever he wants.

Thankfully it's not happening, he's a goner.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Oh Roy.

 

[Cal?]

We've asked a number of difficult hypothetical questions, such as "would you accept 4th place if it meant keeping LVG?" and so on, so how about this?

Would you be willing to accept LVG for one last season in exchange for picking up Greizmann, Hummels, Kante and selling Rooney to a Chinese club?

After 0.1 seconds of hard thought, I'd take that deal.

No, even if Jose in means De Gea out and no signings, I want LVG gone.

 

[Cal?]

Oh Roy.

I loved him as a player, but quite frankly dislike him a lot since he left, he's just bitter.

 

[Perrick Dubois]

Oh Roy.

He's just being genial toward LVG when he says "I hope he does", the damning statement comes after that. He's got no hope of winning the league unless he throws everything he's built onto a wood fire and starts from scratch.

I loved him as a player, but quite frankly dislike him a lot since he left, he's just bitter.

How is anything he's said there, bitter? This is the other thread all over again. It's Keane, he's had a chat with someone and it's been printed with very little context. Must be bitter.

Right.

 

[Robbie Boy]

I loved him as a player, but quite frankly dislike him a lot since he left, he's just bitter.

Yeah, one of my favourite United players of all time. But he has come across as extremely bitter since he left. Funny that he thinks that LvG should be given another year if he wins the FA Cup: I mean, how would Keane feel if he were playing under him in these circumstances.

 

[Perrick Dubois]

Yeah, one of my favourite United players of all time. But he has come across as extremely bitter since he left. Funny that he thinks that LvG should be given another year if he wins the FA Cup: I mean, how would Keane feel if he were playing under him in these circumstances.

Again, how is anything he's said there "bitter"?... He'd like the manager to stay on and finish his job if he wins the cup, he doesn't like seeing managers suffer and speculates that the cup might give the squad a lift for a league run next season... How is that in any way bitter?..

 

[Robbie Boy]

Again, how is anything he's said there "bitter"?... He'd like the manager to stay on and finish his job if he wins the cup, he doesn't like seeing managers suffer and speculates that the cup might give the squad a lift for a league run next season... How is that in any way bitter?..

Yeah I never said he said anything bitter here, but he has been over the years. I love Keane, but he does seem bitter towards United at times. So no idea what you're talking about. There's nothing really 'wrong' with what he says, I was just posting an article. I wouldn't imagine Keane would be happy playing under LvG in these circumstances, though. And considering Keane's winning mentality, it seems odd that he thinks LvG should stay on if we win the cup considering how woeful we are, in general.

 

[Cal?]

Again, how is anything he's said there "bitter"?... He'd like the manager to stay on and finish his job if he wins the cup, he doesn't like seeing managers suffer and speculates that the cup might give the squad a lift for a league run next season... How is that in any way bitter?..

Only the blind man (Woodward) and his dog will think LVG staying is a good idea.

 

[2 man midfield]

Just watching City in the semifinals of the CL after we got knocked out of an easy group. Tomorrow Liverpool in the semifinals of the Europa after knocking us out and we've got a manager saying he's the one of the best in the world. You seriously couldn't write it. If this guys in charge next season, I won't be watching.

Being a United fan right now feels a bit like this.

 

[bleedred]

Boo LvG, let's sack him and hire Mourinho, whose latest Premier League exploits includes taking a league winning side and ending his career with them in an unprecedented free-fall.

By that logic, I assume you would not have wanted Klopp here as well if he was available??

 

[Perrick Dubois]

Yeah I never said he said anything bitter here, but he has been over the years. I love Keane, but he does seem bitter towards United at times. So no idea what you're talking about. There's nothing really 'wrong' with what he says, I was just posting an article. I wouldn't imagine Keane would be happy playing under LvG in these circumstances, though. And considering Keane's winning mentality, it seems odd that he thinks LvG should stay on if we win the cup considering how woeful we are, in general.

I've got nothing against you posting the article, post away. The problem I have is that usually the responses from the Caf to these types or articles which get printed with very little context are wound up howls of "BITTER KEANO!" He just says most things how he sees (perceives) them. Like in this case, if the squad wins a cup it might give them a real lift to go on and win a league next season (personally don't think so but), like the other thread about his comments post Leicester that were printed a couple of days ago. About how it is hard to stay positive watching United, it is poignant and 100% true in how he see's the situation.

I personally think it is very misguided to call him bitter when it comes to his punditry and general respect for the club. He always calls things how he see's them and has done for the last couple of years. However, bitter about Sir Alex? I absolutely have no doubt he is on the inside and that we see it bubble up now and then.

Somebody, I think it may have been @.Rossi or @Rory 7 posted a link from an interview he did. A stage interview of some sorts, he talks very candidly about United and you can understand the respect that he has. But you can very easily feel the bitterness toward Sir Alex in the way he talks about his situation.

Anyway, this is madly off topic! Back to it lads! LVG OUT!

Only the blind man (Woodward) and his dog will think LVG staying is a good idea.

He's not saying it is. He's saying a possible cup win could create something special within the squad. If we happen to finish fourth also.

I don't see how that is such an outlandish (or bitter) statement.

 

[Sunny Jim]

Boo LvG, let's sack him and hire Mourinho, whose latest Premier League exploits includes taking a league winning side and ending his career with them in an unprecedented free-fall.

I dont belive you are being serious. You dont want a manager who had a car incident of aseason, yet you want to keep a manger who hardly dirves car and bumps into lamp posts evry other week.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

We've asked a number of difficult hypothetical questions, such as "would you accept 4th place if it meant keeping LVG?" and so on, so how about this?

Would you be willing to accept LVG for one last season in exchange for picking up Greizmann, Hummels, Kante and selling Rooney to a Chinese club?

After 0.1 seconds of hard thought, I'd take that deal.

Perhaps but then again this is one of the reasons, if not the main reason, why his philosophy works only in glimpses and he's found himself in his current predicament... hoping for the teams above us in the PL table to completely feck up things so he can crawl into fourth place and with the vast majority of the fan base wanting him gone asap.

The need for a 20+ league goals forward is more than evident. Since LvG found out, halfway through last season, that van Persie can't be that man anymore, he's been moaning about it himself. Yet, he chose not to address the issue but to go into the season with Rooney as the only senior forward in the squad. Right now, Griezmann is maybe the hottest forward in the world, he won't come here just to be shoved into the wings if captain Rooney isn't pleased with his new midfield role and/or LvG doesn't consider Griezmann his ideal #10.

Which brings me to the Rooney issue, someone has to find a way to give him enough playing time to please him but at the same time create a side that gradually will become less and less dependent on him for goals and creativity in the attacking third. LvG's master plan is to turn him into the linchpin of our midfield, something that will probably create more problems than the ones it will solve in the near future. I don't see LvG having any kind of intention to sell Rooney. Instead of that, he considers giving a contract extension to the other player whom he doesn't know how to utilize... Mata.

He also had a whole summer to sign a ball playing CB. He didn't and converted Blind into a CB. The latter seems to be the third player, after DDG and Rooney, with a secured place in the starting lineup. LvG isn't the most easy-going person in the football world and i guess he wants at least one of his countrymen (and a player he signed himself) with an important role on the pitch. So, the chances are that Blind-Smalling will be our main partnership at the back should LvG runs down his contract.

As for Kante, Woodard bought him a defensive minded b2b midfielder with exquisite stamina levels in Morgan last season and LvG has absolutely no clue what to do with him. I can't see how buying a second one would make things any better as far as the implementation of the infamous philosophy is concerned.

No, LvG needs to go. Not because he's a bad manager, no one can deny his credentials and his history in the game. Because after endless changes of formations, numerous experiments with tactics and players' positions, he looks like a man who's run out of good ideas. He's one step away from retirement and he doesn't look like he cares about making the crucial decisions (Rooney, Mata, spend big on a midfielder, a CB, a winger and a forward) which will affect the club's future. And after two whole seasons he's bored the fans to death and he looks tired himself. And we can't get him Neymar and Muller and make things easier for him.

 

[Robbie Boy]

@Perrick Dubois Aye, I don't disagree with any of that really. The only problem is that Keane has often come across as bitter, whether it was intentional or just how he speaks. It's highly likely that it was often the latter. In this instance, I agree, there's nothing bitter whatsoever. What I am surprised about is that Keane doesn't see LvG as a massive failure considering his reign, to-date. Keane is a natural born winner and there's absolutely no way he would be happy with the current regime if he were still playing here.

As I said, I love Keane; he was the best player I have ever seen for my NT and one of the best I have seen for United. He's now part of the NT setup with Ireland and has spoken well since he's come in.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Boo LvG, let's sack him and hire Mourinho, whose latest Premier League exploits includes taking a league winning side and ending his career with them in an unprecedented free-fall.

Not sure if you are a troll or just a plain idiot. Judging by your other posts i'm inclined to go with the latter.

So, do you really think us keeping LVG would result in a better position than if we got Jose Mourinho in?

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

Our club, at least the first team side of things, is in such a state in relative terms to how well we've been run in the past. Our youth seems to be doing alright.

This guy makes up excuses after excuses, and seems to justify anything he does wrong. Woodward and the board must see this. They can't be that blind.
Get Mourinho in to steady the ship and kick on from there.

 

[Eriku]

By that logic, I assume you would not have wanted Klopp here as well if he was available??

I dont belive you are being serious. You dont want a manager who had a car incident of aseason, yet you want to keep a manger who hardly dirves car and bumps into lamp posts evry other week.

I have other objections to Mourinho too, my only point is that he's not the sure fire option people seem to think he is. He's also more familiar with the EPL than Louie, and isn't faced with taking over a club that's been used to one glorious man's rule for 26 years. People's insistence about LvG's incompetence are ludicrous.

Not sure if you are a troll or just a plain idiot. Judging by your other posts i'm inclined to go with the latter.

So, do you really think us keeping LVG would result in a better position than if we got Jose Mourinho in?

Go get fecked, Joaquin. You've had no interactions with me, you don't know shit about me, be a fecking adult and hold off on throwing words like that around.

 

[Adebesi]

I've got nothing against you posting the article, post away. The problem I have is that usually the responses from the Caf to these types or articles which get printed with very little context are wound up howls of "BITTER KEANO!" He just says most things how he sees (perceives) them. Like in this case, if the squad wins a cup it might give them a real lift to go on and win a league next season (personally don't think so but), like the other thread about his comments post Leicester that were printed a couple of days ago. About how it is hard to stay positive watching United, it is poignant and 100% true in how he see's the situation.

I personally think it is very misguided to call him bitter when it comes to his punditry and general respect for the club. He always calls things how he see's them and has done for the last couple of years. However, bitter about Sir Alex? I absolutely have no doubt he is on the inside and that we see it bubble up now and then.

Somebody, I think it may have been @.Rossi or @Rory 7 posted a link from an interview he did. A stage interview of some sorts, he talks very candidly about United and you can understand the respect that he has. But you can very easily feel the bitterness toward Sir Alex in the way he talks about his situation.

FWIW I completely agree with you. Almost completely. I think he is probably a little bitter about certain things, but not about the club in general. In that sense I think I agree with you completely. Where I disagree is I dont think he always completely says things how he sees them. Maybe 80% of the time its that. But I sometimes detect a bit of contrariness about him, especially when he is acting as a pundit. I think he sometimes takes a position simply because everyone else has taken a different position and he feels the other point of view should be represented, and because he doesnt give a shit what anyone thinks of him anyway. I cant think of many examples of this off the top of my head, but one that does spring to mind is the Nani sending off against Madrid a few years back. That was how it came across to me at the time, and I thought it was justified because listening to 3 pundits all agreeing with each other about something is a little boring. Anyway, I guess even if he did believe what he was saying then, it was still refreshing to hear a different perspective on it. It is certainly why I still enjoy seeing him on the telly. Never a dull moment with Keano.

Anyway, yes, as you say: this Van Gaal business is no good, no good at all. He really should leave at the end of the season, regardless. (But it is absolutely no surprise at all to hear Keano say otherwise!)