Well seeing as the target was always 3rd I guess you're right
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My sentiments exactly. I don't mind Utd losing occasionally if they have given the game a good go; but I have to force myself to watch this team under LVG. The players look miserable and the collective performances have been atrocious. This doesn't feel like a Utd team.
Presumably the target would have been to make a title charge and at least progress beyond group stages of the Champions League. It certainly wasn't to bundle into 4th thanks to other teams slipping up at the end.
LVGs "we go for it" speech pretty much identifies what he was expected to do.
Martial is probably the only good player LVG had signed AND used correctly. The rest are either crap or philosophy had sucked the life of these players. Some of his own players had left after few months because they couldn't stand him
There is nothing wrong with buying low key, squad players. As long as we get results, nobody will complain.
The problem with LVG is that even with high profile, Galactico class players, he can't get the best out of them.
Youth players are the only players who will listen to him because he is giving them their "chance", which of course, they will grab with both hands and be grateful for.
But when you have Galactico class players, man management is very important...a skill which LVG lacks.
If you hire Ibrahimovic, Di Maria, Neymar, Ronaldo - these guys will have huge egos to satisfy and you can't treat them like kids or put them on the bench. It won't work out well for LVG or those players.
United cannot even overtake city, despite city have no fight in them to make sure they get the top 4
It makes you wonder what the hell is VG doing in club football
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No doubt, but to a degree you can blast every manager in the league - at least those in charge of supposed top clubs. Leicester winning the league is an indication said league is highly winnable.
The state of the competition means LVG's "it's not so easy" mantra rings all the more hollow. There's no way in hell that any Fergie vintage would've been sat 17 points behind Leicester City come May - injuries or no bloody injuries.
Do you think that's the reason we sacked Moyes??
Why would I think that?
He's done quite well with Rooney, Mata and Schweinsteiger. He's a strong personality for sure and most skirt wearing primadonnas like di Maria don't respond well to that but I'd much rather stick to our tradition of paying well for young players with potential like Martial, Shaw etc and grooming them within the club. There's a better chance of developing an identity like that and not become a mercenary club like City.
Fergie himself is worth 20 points to any premier league club. We can't replicate that so its best to move on from comparing mere mortals to him.
Blind has done quite well for himself, whether as a midfielder, left back or center back. Shaw was coming along tremendously until he was cut down by injury and Martial has exceeded expectations. I'd think with a year to establish themselves, Schneiderlin and Darmain will both come good.
cause you seem to be justifying his statement by saying you can understand the sentiments behind his statements.
Not really. Most of the fans would actually be happy to watch United player without ending up falling into sleep. A top 4 place is also a must.
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I forgot about Shaw (mainly because he's injured all the time). My apologies. Blind is an upgrade on OShea. Darmian and Schneiderlin hasn't proved themselves at United just yet.
It depends on how you see it. If we're a serious title contending team then we've got to do better then this. If we're just that lovely team who tries its best, then these sort of players are good enough. We can have Blind as first teamer, Valencia as rb (he's crap as winger so we have to play him as RB), Rooney can sometimes score goals and if hes so shit upfront then we can move him in midfield and he can be shit in there too, Fellaini can probably have a spinal block which will paralyse him his entire lower body and we wouldn't even notice the difference, Mata is a coward but hey, he's such a nice guy it would be a shame losing him especially since no one wants him anymore (same as most of our players), Bastian plays like current Bryan Robson but he was once a good player too and Lingard has championship level player written all over him but like Fellaini he does work hard too and that must be worth something (Robbie Savage would be pretty popular in our current side).
Let me ask one question. Out of our squad which players/manager would play/manage week in week out in a team like Bayern, Real or Barca. Cause that's the standard we should be aiming for.
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I'm not justifying it in any way. Understanding something isn't justifying it. You can understand the reason for something without necessarily agreeing with it.
Exactly!
Bayern have had a continuity for about 7-8 years now, so breaking into that team is going to be tough for any world class player let alone one of ours, some of their best players have come through their academy and established themselves into the first team. Our best player is De Gea and even he might not make that team over Neuer. We're still in the nascent stages of team development so its kind of hard to start comparing ourselves to them.
You could ask the same question of Bayern in 2009 when they were in the position we are at now about which of their players would break into a treble winning United side and other than Lahm and may be Schweinsteiger, you won't have any answers then either.
Mate I think that's a little bit unfair. Your argument is with respect a bit of an oversimplification of what is a successful year as far as United is concerned. Yes, not many of us expected to lift the trophy this year, but we (LVG himself also said at the start of the season) a romp for top 3 with a serious challenge for the title was the minimum. Further, being bounced out of a relatively harmless CL group in the horrendous fashion we did killed a lot of people's trust in LVG (remember the Nick Powell sub amongst many tactical gaffs). Then you get totally outplayed by Liverpool in the Europa (after struggling against the likes of Midgetland) when many said (again even LVG did himself) that Europa was the best way into the CL next year. Not to mention the insanely anti-United way we played football over months and months which simply sapped the joy of what used to be a weekly occasion which one looked forward to instead of now gritty your teeth through. Oh how about the December/January implosion in which he clearly was out of ideas and was waiting for the sack (but for insane reasons at least to me) which did not happen. All of these things add up and takes a toll on the collective fanbase. We are not watching United of old which LVG now has the revisionist arrogance to say we should not expect too much because we are now in a period of transition.
So, to be fair, LVG has been far from defensible. He has been consistently arrogant without any empirical arrogance that we have turned the corner. So yes, it would be nice to win the FA cup but we all know winning that does not mean we have made progress at all. Deep down we all know that this has been a vastly disappointing season.
I am not defending LVG, I expected the title, so he has not met my expectations, so I am disappointed. I just was surprised to see success defined as a set of attributes that were based more on acceptable performances. I don't find qualifying for CL as success, bit Arsenal'ish. Success to me is winning something.
The original comment I made was about a successful season, not that we achieved success.
In any case winning the FA cup and coming 5th for United shouldn't be deemed as success in terms of the season, even though winning the FA cup in isolation is a success.
But here is the dilemma. Winning something is succeeding at something. But is winning the FA the cup the same as having had a successful season? LVG is implying this. Which I find hard to stomach.
Yes pretty much this.
Someone should point out to him that Wigan won it and got relegated. Would he count that as a success because they won a cup?
Yep. Wigan won it and got relegated. Winning trophies is always great but they're knockout competitions. Literally anything can happen in a game and you're gone, so no it definitely isn't the same as having a good season. You obviously want to win them but the league is the most important aspect and we've clearly regressed.
Mate if he doesn't know that his own captain and vice-captain won the league 5 times (and says his players lack title experience), you expect him to know about Wigan? Whatever facts are put in front of him he "shall" always have a defence. Because he is a world class manager, because of injuries, because the media treated him as a nobody, because we expect too much, because we don't have Neymar or Muller or Bale...
He under performed all season and has made us watch some horrid things since we got scammed by his huge ego.. If Woody fecks this Mourinho thing up he can leave with LVG, enough is enough and most of us have had plenty of enough moments.
PS Please take Rojo with you when you bugger off..
PS Please take Rojo with you when you bugger off..
Louis van Gaal feels his position as Manchester United manager has been undermined by some underhand tactics employed by the media.
Van Gaal, who was speaking at the club’s end of season awards, suggested reports he could be sacked this season have seriously undermined credibility with his United players.
He said: “I’m a coach, a manager who would rather have some authority but every day the players can read it, what do you think about my authority as well? What do you think about the way they want to follow my advice when the coach is shown like a nobody?
“And I am not what the media is writing because I am very arrogant, because I am one of the best managers in the world.”
Van Gaal, who will lead his side out for this month’s FA Cup final at Wembley, also insisted expectations at the club are too high with the club in a ‘period of transition’.
“I am happy to give the fans a final. The expectations are too high. We are in a period of transition. The players feel that. It’s not so easy.”
Van Gaal, who was speaking at the club’s end of season awards, suggested reports he could be sacked this season have seriously undermined credibility with his United players.
He said: “I’m a coach, a manager who would rather have some authority but every day the players can read it, what do you think about my authority as well? What do you think about the way they want to follow my advice when the coach is shown like a nobody?
“And I am not what the media is writing because I am very arrogant, because I am one of the best managers in the world.”
Van Gaal, who will lead his side out for this month’s FA Cup final at Wembley, also insisted expectations at the club are too high with the club in a ‘period of transition’.
“I am happy to give the fans a final. The expectations are too high. We are in a period of transition. The players feel that. It’s not so easy.”
Comes with the territory at a big club, he can't be surprised about the way he's been treated by the media. Which has been fairly restrained, actually.
If the team had played with an exciting attacking dynamic then he would have so much more support, despite there being several other issues with him. At least then we could see the way forward.
It scares me that he seems to fail recognise this whatsoever. We simply don't create anywhere near enough chances or score enough goals and he needs to accept this.
It scares me that he seems to fail recognise this whatsoever. We simply don't create anywhere near enough chances or score enough goals and he needs to accept this.
Cannot wait for the season to end so we can feck him off.
It'll be such a relief.
It'll be such a relief.
All true. Sadly.
Still if Leicester can do it then why not everyone else? are leicester a better squad than everyone else or is everyone else just not managed properly?
Why do English teams blow in europe?
I think he's right in that it's a general problem that some players will underperform or 'work to rule' in a footballing sense in order to edge under pressure managers out of the club if they don't agree with their methods. One of the things he says occasionally is that some players ignore his tactical instructions, which is serious.
But I don't see how anyone could've thought these comments were a good idea to make on his part.
What you're forgetting is that media scrutiny has been around for a while, and the media is only criticising him as he and the team have been under-performing. In other words his own performance in his job is what has created the environment for his authority to be undermined, not the media. He has no point what so ever.
Are you an Asian mom?
For me, not playing for the title is a failed season. Struggling for top 4 makes it even worse, as I believe we should qualify for the quarter finals in the CL as well. Having our managers talking so much nonsense makes it just so much harder to accept
Just reading comments on various newspaper sites re LVG saying our expectations are too high etc - and they are absolutely brutal. Far worse than us on the Caf
Seriously, unless our board are living in Disneyland - I cannot see how he'll survive. It will be so so toxic.
They really should have kept him from the booze last night. He's just alienating us more and more, even me! He's a decent man, but honestly, his time is done with us. I'm getting embarrassed the more he opens his mouth nowadays. Our board really need to sort their shit out.
Seriously, unless our board are living in Disneyland - I cannot see how he'll survive. It will be so so toxic.
They really should have kept him from the booze last night. He's just alienating us more and more, even me! He's a decent man, but honestly, his time is done with us. I'm getting embarrassed the more he opens his mouth nowadays. Our board really need to sort their shit out.
I decided to stay well away from what the press might make of those comments. Instead just sat there smiling all day telling myself he said it all because he knows he's off!Just reading comments on various newspaper sites re LVG saying our expectations are too high etc - and they are absolutely brutal. Far worse than us on the Caf
Seriously, unless our board are living in Disneyland - I cannot see how he'll survive. It will be so so toxic.
They really should have kept him from the booze last night. He's just alienating us more and more, even me! He's a decent man, but honestly, his time is done with us. I'm getting embarrassed the more he opens his mouth nowadays. Our board really need to sort their shit out.
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