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Do you want LVG sacked?

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Nick 0208 Ldn said:
It's not a question of a mere two players: it's the six or seven that he chose to sell with nary any thought for the consequences, it's his repeated mismanagement of attacking minded players such as Herrera and Di Maria.
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Of the many players he chose to sell, there can be a debate about two, three at best: van Persie, Hernandez and Welbeck. One is struggling to get games in Turkey, a guy who has been injured for almost a year and Hernandez. I won't defend van Gaal there, that was stupid.

Di Maria? The player who never cared about playing for United? Let's have some fecking self-respect, I'd take players like Young with half the talent but loads of desire than tools like Di Maria.
 
I'd say Leicester are doing pretty much everything A LOT better than us with a new manager and far less money to spend AND they beat us last year and I'm pretty sure everyone would say we should have a better squad than them so why the hell does this dickhead need 18 months to achieve the progress he's made(if any, and we seem to be going backwards) and another 18 months to complete the so called process and I'd put £100 on the fact we wouldn't be playing as good as Leicester in 18 months either,he's full of it and the sooner he's gone the better.

How people can still stick up for him is beyond me, If we wait until we can't salvage the season like with Moyes we truly are ran by complete morons and things will only get worse.

People keep saying what if we win the next few games or win the Europa or fa cup etc, what in the world are you seeing to give you any inkling that we can win the next game,never mind the rest, if there was a shred of evidence that we were going in the right direction then fair enough but there isn't, if anything were going the opposite direction and nothing is improving.

I was very happy when we got LVG in but it's just not working, he's full of bs and believes his own hype,just compare what he's achieved since being here having spent what he has to well, a perfect example is Leicester or big Sam at Sunderland or pulis, they've managed to improve the way they play, the results and morale, this idiot has made all those things worse and spent a quarter of a billion pounds while doing it, but yeah let's give him some more time and money, I think not!
 
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spwd said:
I'd say Leicester are doing pretty much everything A LOT better than us with a new manager and far less money to spend AND they beat us last year and I'm pretty sure everyone would say we should have a better squad than them so why the hell does this dickhead need 18 months to achieve the progress he's made(if any, and we seem to be going backwards) and another 18 months to complete the so called process and I'd put £100 on the fact we wouldn't be playing as good as Leicester in 18 months either,he's full of it and the sooner he's gone the better.

How people can still stick up for him is beyond me, If we wait until we can't salvage the season like with Moyes we truly are ran by complete morons and things will only get worse.

People keep saying what if we win the next few games or win the Europa or fa cup etc, what in the world are you seeing to give you any inkling that we can win the next game,never mind the rest, if there was a shred of evidence that we were going in the right direction then fair enough but there isn't, if anything were going the opposite direction and nothing is improving.

I was very happy when we got LVG in but it's just not working, he's full of bs and believes his own hype,just compare what he's achieved since being here having spent what he has to well, a perfect example is Leicester or big Sam at Sunderland or pulls, they've managed to improve the way they play, the results and morale, this idiot has made all those things worse and spent a quarter of a billion pounds while doing it, but yeah let's give him some more time and money, I think not!
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Exactly what I've been saying too.
 
redindian1987 said:
I ignored Powell and Fletcher because they didn't play many games. if my memory is right, Powell went on loan after the Wigan game and Fletcher was recovering from his illness. If we're to include them, we'll have to include Varela, Borthwick-Jackson and the like, especially since they're going to feature in more games than Fletcher and Powell did in 12/13.
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Both were considered first team players though. I really can't be bothered getting into the exact numbers because it's boring and even if Varela and Borthwick-Jackson make more appearances I get the feeling it's by accident rather than design. Neither had even made the bench until a few weeks ago and we're suddenly throwing them into a crucial game away at Wolfsburg. It's not even comparable to McNair and Blackett last season, both of whom I think went on tour in pre-season and were regularly making the 18.

While I do take your point on balance and agree that van Gaal has underestimated the requirements of this league, this thing is most often brought up in the context of our injuries. Even back in the summer most of us were worried about numbers in the context of a seemingly inevitable injury crisis, not in terms of personnel. It was only towards the end when it looked like we weren't going to sign a senior striker that we began worrying about the attack. In any case, I agree with you that the attack is unbalanced. While I sort of see where you're coming from, I don't quite see Smalling being our oldest defender as a bad thing, certainly not worth focusing on when we've got more serious deficiencies upfront.
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So if me, you and plenty of other fans were worried about the numbers, then van Gaal should be able to pick up on it as well. And obviously the numbers are important when talking about injuries alone but in terms of his shaping of the squad I'm looking the overall picture and some of the decisions make no sense. We get rid of van Persie right at the beginning of the summer and then wait until deadline day when we've already played about six games to sign Martial. Hernandez leaves after making I think three appearances which is surely not enough time to judge him on. So either van Gaal just made a snap decision based on those game which smacks of lack of preparation or he was planning on selling him anyway, in which case why leave it to the last minute and not buy another striker who could have had time to bed in? Then there's this weird decision to play Adnan for a run of games only to loan him out, again almost at the last minute.
 
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I'd say Leicester are doing pretty much everything A LOT better than us with a new manager and far less money to spend AND they beat us last year and I'm pretty sure everyone would say we should have a better squad than them so why the hell does this dickhead need 18 months to achieve the progress he's made(if any, and we seem to be going backwards) and another 18 months to complete the so called process and I'd put £100 on the fact we wouldn't be playing as good as Leicester in 18 months either,he's full of it and the sooner he's gone the better.

How people can still stick up for him is beyond me, If we wait until we can't salvage the season like with Moyes we truly are ran by complete morons and things will only get worse.

People keep saying what if we win the next few games or win the Europa or fa cup etc, what in the world are you seeing to give you any inkling that we can win the next game,never mind the rest, if there was a shred of evidence that we were going in the right direction then fair enough but there isn't, if anything were going the opposite direction and nothing is improving.

I was very happy when we got LVG in but it's just not working, he's full of bs and believes his own hype,just compare what he's achieved since being here having spent what he has to well, a perfect example is Leicester or big Sam at Sunderland or pulis, they've managed to improve the way they play, the results and morale, this idiot has made all those things worse and spent a quarter of a billion pounds while doing it, but yeah let's give him some more time and money, I think not!
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It takes at least 18 months to implement a new managers tactics, and to see the results don't you know, it's all a process you see, can't rush that or do it without spending a quarter of a billion pounds...well, errrrm, that is unless your Watford or Sunderland or West Brom or Southampton or Leicester.

But yeah, something something philosophy.
 
Sam said:
Watching Leicester play such fantastic, fast, attacking football, just makes me hate the man even more.
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Watching the game last night reminded me of what we were once good at. They bullied Chelsea off the ball and when they had it they attacked with speed and directness. Great to watch.

It's a breath of fresh air watching this Leicester side.
 
Barca84 said:
Watching the game last night reminded me of what we were once good at. They bullied Chelsea off the ball and when they had it they attacked with speed and directness. Great to watch.

It's a breath of fresh air watching this Leicester side.
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They've also got the winning formula of playing as a proper team, with a couple of individuals right at the top of their game. Last night epitomised that.
 
RedPed said:
The more I watch Leicester City....I repeat LEICESTER CITY, the more I get pissed off with van Gaal and his bullshit philosophy ! And before all the van Gaal admirers spout the usual drivel about what he's done for the club (which by the way is nothing at all), you only need to take a look at what's happening at Leicester.

Sure, everybody's waiting for the wheels to fall off of course, but there ain't no signs of it happening yet and anyway by then they'll probably be firmly ensconced in the top four, probably at the expense of United. Oh, the irony !

I was firmly in the "give him till the end of the season" camp, but when I see what Ranieri's done in 4 months as opposed to what van Gaal's done in 18, I just want him gone, gone, gone.....GONE !

Another attacking display from Leicester from the 1st to the 95th minute and 2 great goals against the Champions.....it ain't rocket science !!
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I really enjoy the way they play football. They exciting to watch and score goals 2 things you could always say about us under SAF.
 
I keep coming into this thread hoping for some good news, but I fear it may be a while. I'm firmly in the "he needs to leave now" camp now, as I don't want to risk top 4 . Ancelotti is available and might be gone soon with the way JoseMou is doing.
 
Not sure if its been asked anywhere else, but...

If Pep goes to City, suggestion is Ancelotti might take his place at Bayern.

So, if we cant have Pep, who would be in favour of taking on Mourinho if he's sacked at Chelsea and either doesn't fancy Real again or doesn't get the offer, if Pep and Carlo are both going elsewhere.
 
GimmeAKitKat said:
So, if we cant have Pep, who would be in favour of taking on Mourinho if he's sacked at Chelsea and either doesn't fancy Real again or doesn't get the offer, if Pep and Carlo are both going elsewhere.
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I think Mourinho will come to us, been saying it for years, he wants the Utd job
 
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GimmeAKitKat said:
Not sure if its been asked anywhere else, but...

If Pep goes to City, suggestion is Ancelotti might take his place at Bayern.

So, if we cant have Pep, who would be in favour of taking on Mourinho if he's sacked at Chelsea and either doesn't fancy Real again or doesn't get the offer, if Pep and Carlo are both going elsewhere.
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Thought he was quoted as saying he wants to come back the premiership, so you would guess if he does it has to be us or nobody assuming Pep is going to City.

I know we're a bit daft at times but surely even we wouldn't pass up on Carlo if he is truly there to be taken, after all wasn't he Sir Alex's first choice to succeed him above anybody else?
 
GimmeAKitKat said:
Not sure if its been asked anywhere else, but...

If Pep goes to City, suggestion is Ancelotti might take his place at Bayern.

So, if we cant have Pep, who would be in favour of taking on Mourinho if he's sacked at Chelsea and either doesn't fancy Real again or doesn't get the offer, if Pep and Carlo are both going elsewhere.
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Giggs is the next man in that scenario.

I would have loved Jose here after Fergie. Not anymore, and it has nothing to do with Chelsea's league position
 
GimmeAKitKat said:
So, if we cant have Pep, who would be in favour of taking on Mourinho if he's sacked at Chelsea and either doesn't fancy Real again or doesn't get the offer, if Pep and Carlo are both going elsewhere.
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I don't like Mourinho's shenanigans, he is a good short term manager but he is more suited to teams already built who only need a catalyzer. We are more in need of a builder.
 
Winrar said:
even if there IS a meager progress it's not nearly enough to justify our 200mil+ pounds outlay.
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Fully Fledged said:
I know. I find it funny how far some people will go to try and find a positive out of our current situation.
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I think you chaps overestimate the use of the word "meagre". I should have said "insignificant" or "next to no" progress; I'm definitely not a fan.
 

Just came to post this, here is a tweet that tells its not a paddy power stunt.


So its happening i guess...:(:nono:

No one deserves this, its not like he is not trying.
 
Maradona10 said:

Just came to post this, here is a tweet that tells its not a paddy power stunt.


So its happening i guess...:(:nono:

No one deserves this, its not like he is not trying.
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Jesus Christ, at a time of year when people are freezing on the streets, without food, you're going to waste £450 to try and oust someone from their job.
 
Sam said:
Since the Everton game...

12 Games played:

Moscow x 2
City
Palace
Middelesbrough
West Brom
Watford
PSV
Leicester
West Ham
Wolfsburg
Bournemouth

Goals - 10
Wins - 3

He has to go.

Oh and our next run of fixtures are a lot harder then the previous 12

Norwich
Stoke x 2
Chelsea x 2
Swansea
Newcastle
Liverpool
Southampton
Arsenal
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It's a fecking process.
 
As shocking as the banner is I guess thats a sign of how desperate people are to see the back of him. I used to defend him to the hilt but I'd hate to see us go into a new season with him the sooner we can replace him the better.
 
you have to wonder if van Gaal truly absorbed the history of our club. It cannot be done by just looking at the statistics in a book. I wonder what Charton and Fergie said to him. What they must have shared with van Gaal. Fergie always mentioned Sir Matt, the foundation he built not just in terms of the teams he built. The great 60s team would not have achieved all they did if not for understanding and taking into their hearts our great team of the 50s we lost.
I'm sure Fergie too would have impressed upon all his players the same thing. I always liked seeing him remind his players to appluad the away support whatever the result.

If a manager understands our history, he will build his teams to reflect it.
 
The problem with this philosophy is you need absolute top level quality in the front four to turn this ponderous possession into goals. The front for have to be quick, inventive and highly technical. To achieve that you have to spend heavily, apparently more than he has done to date.
If you manage to attract the aforementioned talent the philosophy almost becomes needless, because the players are so good any average manager could lead them to glory.

So it's really strange watching this, he has built a squad that is almost the opposite to execute his philosophy, lacking in pace and technicality. I like Blind in defence, I like that he got rid of the heavy rotation and many fringe players, so I can't fault him during this injury crisis. But this philosophy just doesn't seem to be working for this group,
 
This banner is no way acceptable and our position in the league doesn't warrant such behaviour. Can't stand LVG, never have, but this banner is both ridiculous and offensive. Moyes was out of his depth, and should never have been chosen; but he was not in the same league as LVG. He might have lost it in recent years but LVG's past honours demand, when it happens, a respectful goodbye by both the club and fans.
 
My gut feel is he will be gone after the Holiday fixtures. I don't believe he will be overseasing the player purchases we will be making. I have no idea who will replace him in the short term. It probably will be Giggs. But I'm just guessing.

Now he could win everyone one of those fixtures. Still I think he is gone.
 
People who crazily are still defending him seem to use a lot of what ifs like what if we had won on Saturday or what if we win the next 22 games (yes this was said) or what if we win the Europa etc while us who want him out use what we are seeing week in week out in every competition were in ffs, were shit and getting worse.
 
Red Dreams said:
My gut feel is he will be gone after the Holiday fixtures. I don't believe he will be overseasing the player purchases we will be making. I have no idea who will replace him in the short term. It probably will be Giggs. But I'm just guessing.

Now he could win everyone one of those fixtures. Still I think he is gone.
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You really think of LVG will be let go be for season's end? That would be shocking to me, but I wouldn't mind it at this point.
 
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