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I'm not saying I want him to stay but if he is given another year due to an FA cup win and a top 4 finish, then I won't be overly annoyed. It will only be for one year as he is definitely gone after it.

You have seen how much we have regressed this year, would you really feel ok with giving LVG another year?
We are starting to sound like Arsenal, some of us are now satisfied with a top 4 finish.

Why even bother with a top 4 finish? With LVG at the helm, its not like we will make it out of the group stage of the champs league anyways.
Its embarrassing.
 
I'm not saying I want him to stay but if he is given another year due to an FA cup win and a top 4 finish, then I won't be overly annoyed. It will only be for one year as he is definitely gone after it.

And we will be in the same situation we were in in 2014 when LVG was first appointed: Mourinho, Ancelotti and Guardiola changed clubs, but we went with Moyes (LVG this time) and then faced appointing a second-rate manager.
 
And we will be in the same situation we were in in 2014 when LVG was first appointed: Mourinho, Ancelotti and Guardiola changed clubs, but we went with Moyes (LVG this time) and then faced appointing a second-rate manager.


Its like we (the board) never learn.
 
You have seen how much we have regressed this year, would you really feel ok with giving LVG another year?
We are starting to sound like Arsenal, some of us are now satisfied with a top 4 finish.

Why even bother with a top 4 finish? With LVG at the helm, its not like we will make it out of the group stage of the champs league anyways.
Its embarrassing.
We may have regressed but we would be FA Cup champions and still in Champions League. Its not enough for United but it's an achievement.
 
If we win the cup and reach top 4 then the results this season would be ok+, and a decision to let him continue for another year would be defendable, but personally I can't put up with this uninspiring football for another year. Regardless of how we finish the season. He has to go and there shouldn't be any reasons to stop him from it. It's unbearable to watch. If he continues then I will strongly consider to take a year off watching United.
 
We may have regressed but we would be FA Cup champions and still in Champions League. Its not enough for United but it's an achievement.


And is the style of football on the pitch enough for you to warrant another year of LVG?
I will not never understand this opinion. We play so badly and the root of the problem is so clearly the manager.

We are depressing to watch these days.
 
We were promised progress and what we'll get is stagnation dressed up as solidification.
 
The attendance last night tells you everything. Even if we're winning fans don't want to turn up. Since when was top four the target anyway? The commentator last night said LVG's target this season was top four, and I've seen some fans repeating it too. Top four was the target last year was it not?

This year the target was a title challenge and to reach the knockout phase of the champions league, targets that LVG failed to reach MONTHS ago. Some dreary 1-0 form and potentially an FA Cup where all the big teams exited early on should make absolutely no difference. It was only a week ago we were destroyed by Spurs. Now we labour past two of the worst teams in the league and City drop a couple of points and apparently it's enough to keep LVG on another year. I've no idea what's going on anymore.

I imagine what's going on is that under no circumstances will Woodward countenance the shambles of another midseason sacking and has therefore decided to stick by his man and endure whatever media/fan criticism ensues until the season is over.

They'd probably rather not make a change at all, but at that point they can reevaluate and will take action (in the form of Mourinho) if it becomes too politically toxic to do otherwise (eg failing to achieve the minimum target of a top 4 finish, appalling ST renewal rates, dressingroom revolt).
 
The silence from the club is deffining. I choose to believe LVG will be gone at the end of the season and Jose is going to be announced. Giggs will go elsewhere, get some experience and come back in a few years more equipped to manage United.

However, I would not be surprised if LVG stayed for a 3rd season and we see Giggs take over when it's obvious nothing has changed with our style and results by December.

If he stays, I expect to see the following.
DDG will be sold to RM. Romero will be #1.
Rooney will remain the captain.
We will not sign a new FB or CB. We will basically stay with what we got with exception to adding a winger. LVG will continue to monkey around with players in weaker positions and we will finish the season in 5th place securing another fantastic Europa spot.

If he stays, I will not schedule my life around United matches. This past season has been so disappointing when I put off something on a Saturday or Sunday to watch our boring style of play.
 
The silence from the club is deffining. I choose to believe LVG will be gone at the end of the season and Jose is going to be announced. Giggs will go elsewhere, get some experience and come back in a few years more equipped to manage United.

However, I would not be surprised if LVG stayed for a 3rd season and we see Giggs take over when it's obvious nothing has changed with our style and results by December.

If he stays, I expect to see the following.
DDG will be sold to RM. Romero will be #1.
Rooney will remain the captain.
We will not sign a new FB or CB. We will basically stay with what we got with exception to adding a winger. LVG will continue to monkey around with players in weaker positions and we will finish the season in 5th place securing another fantastic Europa spot.

If he stays, I will not schedule my life around United matches. This past season has been so disappointing when I put off something on a Saturday or Sunday to watch our boring style of play.


This is the first year in the last 20 or so that I (and most of my friends) stopped scheduling our lives around MUFC matches.
 
I have a bad feeling about this.

I can see LVG staying, and Giggs taking over.

A very bad feeling. I hope I'm wrong, as LVG is destroying my joy at watching my team.
 
I'm not saying I want him to stay but if he is given another year due to an FA cup win and a top 4 finish, then I won't be overly annoyed. It will only be for one year as he is definitely gone after it.

I know he said it when he arrived, but are you 100% sure he wouldn't sign a new contract if United offered him another 3 years? Imagine that for a moment.

I'm curious, where is the threshold for people like yourself? At what point do you say "enough is enough"
 
I want us to win the FA Cup, it's been quite a while since we last won it and it would certainly help us end a rather disappointing season on a high note. I will also be glad if we somehow manage to snatch fourth place in the remaining fixtures. European nights are always special and CL is a competition United should always be in, whether we can win it or not.

Having said that, my opinion is that the domestic cup and the bare minimum in Europe (make it to the group stage and qualification for next season's play offs) should not play a big part in any big club's decision to keep the manager. As far as lifting the FA Cup is concerned, i think that from the four semi finalists only Watford are fully justified not to sack their manager, even if they win the competition.

The mirror that shows if you have progressed as a team is always the league, a marathon during which your philosophy is constantly being put to the sword and you can't sweep your bad planning and the weaknesses that it has created under the rag until the end. European matches, especially the Champions League, is the stage where you can compete at the highest level and check out how close or how far you are from the truly elite clubs.

And in these two competitions LvG has failed miserably this season. The league is probably going to be decided at around 80 points, which is pretty low, and yet we failed to even make a serious challenge. This isn't good enough, no matter how you choose to look at it. It only shows our stagnation at an average of 65-70 points in these last three seasons when we should be looking to move forward. From the other big boys in England, who have had similarly bad seasons, two out of three have already appointed new managers while Liverpool chose to cut their losses very soon too. If the fact that the PL's most prolific underachievers over the last decade are the only ones to keep their manager is something that should worry us, i leave it to everyone's judgement.

I won't blame LvG, if he starts next season at the helm. Imho it would mean one thing, that the board has really lowered the bar of the goals set and expectations. When the football is so uninspiring and the good results few and far between, promoting youngsters to the first team on its own can't save you at a club like United. Neither can winning a domestic cup without having faced not even one of the other big clubs.

And no, it's not like Ferguson back in the 80's. Ferguson didn't have 250 million pounds at his disposal (i know we got some of that back in the end but nevertheless we spent it) or a football giant to manage when he first arrived here. Right now we can match the highest wages in the PL and we can offer a war chest to our manager for transfers. There are no excuses for the quality of the football we're being served in the last three seasons and for not being able to pass the 70 points mark in the league.

I really do hope that's not the case.
 
If the club really has not arranged for a manager to replace LVG at the end of the season then for me the message is clear: On pitch success is no longer a priority. It's absolutely ridiculous a club of United's standing would take such an approach and to be fair, it makes no sense why the board is willing to spend big on transfers but not bring in the best managerial options. LVG has to be gone this summer or it really just make no sense.
 
This is the first year in the last 20 or so that I (and most of my friends) stopped scheduling our lives around MUFC matches.

Same here. It's not about the results. I still watched most games under Moyes when we were terrible.

It's the combination of the bad football, the fact that most of our likeable players have been sold off and having to look at Van Gaal's stupid face while he's sat down there with his clipboard all secure in his job.
 
If the club really has not arranged for a manager to replace LVG at the end of the season then for me the message is clear: On pitch success is no longer a priority. It's absolutely ridiculous a club of United's standing would take such an approach and to be fair, it makes no sense why the board is willing to spend big on transfers but not bring in the best managerial options. LVG has to be gone this summer or it really just make no sense.

If there's no plan to address the issue in the summer then it isn't confirmation of any "message" in my opinion - its far more worrying that that - it's clear confirmation that those running the club lack the knowledge and experience to be doing so, and that they lack the ability to take difficult decisions in the best interests of the club.

Even if you assume that profit is the be all and end all, that is best served by winning games, winning trophies and being as close to the pinnacle of world football as you can. They are willing to spend huge sums of money on transfers in the hope that generates success and that more money will follow. Winning games makes making money a hell of a lot easier.
 
I'm not saying I want him to stay but if he is given another year due to an FA cup win and a top 4 finish, then I won't be overly annoyed. It will only be for one year as he is definitely gone after it.
The problem is that it seems the club's plan was, or is, to allow LVG to finish his three-year project and then hand over to Giggs. So, if we keep LVG, more than likely we'll get everyone's favourite family man afterwards. So you're not talking about enduring one more year, but two or three.
 
We are further than last year,” he said.

“We were in the quarter-finals, now we are in the semi-finals, I believe, that means we are better than last year.

“It’s not to me to judge that I have said that already in former press conferences, so I do my utmost best and I said that we are in the semi-finals of the FA Cup, we are still in the race for fourth in the Premier League and that was our aim.”
 
I see history's being rewritten accordingly to our latest failures: anyone with an interest in United knows that 4th place was not stated to be this season's target.
 
I see history's being rewritten accordingly to our latest failures: anyone with an interest in United knows that 4th place was not stated to be this season's target.
Exactly right. The fact that they think fans don't take notice of what has been said previously is insulting.
 
We are further than last year,” he said.

We were in the quarter-finals, now we are in the semi-finals, I believe, that means we are better than last year.

“It’s not to me to judge that I have said that already in former press conferences, so I do my utmost best and I said that we are in the semi-finals of the FA Cup, we are still in the race for fourth in the Premier League and that was our aim.”

stop it, I feel sick

how does that mean you're better, its a cup competition!
 
stop it, I feel sick

how does that mean you're better, its a cup competition!
He's a complete tool and a world class fraud. Using his logic we got to the quarters of the CL under Moyes, so obviously he's telling us that Moyes was the better manager.
 
"we are still in the race for fourth in the Premier League and that was our aim."
I'm not having that a club of Man Utd's stature set a target of 4th in his second season (especially considering how much we have backed him in the transfer market). The more he speaks, the more I despise him. I actually think he's just trolling us now, because he really isn't this stupid, right?
 
Yeah, we're not better. Everyone else is shit.
my point is, how can you compare it when its different opponents, different players etc. its just the luck of the draw! its not measureable

what is measurable is league position, goals scored, goals conceded etc. and for that, we've regressed.
 
my point is, how can you compare it when its different opponents, different players etc. its just the luck of the draw! its not measureable

what is measurable is league position, goals scored, goals conceded etc. and for that, we've regressed.
Exactly, anyone could win the F.A. Cup if the draw works in your favour. He is a fool.
 
Even if he wins the FA cup and scrapes into 4th I think he should go. What exactly are our standards anyway? He would only serve one more year at which time he walks. What is the point in that? I don't think many would disagree that we have not gotten any better after spending truckloads of cash and more precisely that the only reason we are still in with a sliver of hope for a CL position is because other squads have also done so poorly. A proper manager would've easily had us in for a title shout.
 
I want us to win the FA Cup, it's been quite a while since we last won it and it would certainly help us end a rather disappointing season on a high note. I will also be glad if we somehow manage to snatch fourth place in the remaining fixtures. European nights are always special and CL is a competition United should always be in, whether we can win it or not.

Having said that, my opinion is that the domestic cup and the bare minimum in Europe (make it to the group stage and qualification for next season's play offs) should not play a big part in any big club's decision to keep the manager. As far as lifting the FA Cup is concerned, i think that from the four semi finalists only Watford are fully justified not to sack their manager, even if they win the competition.

The mirror that shows if you have progressed as a team is always the league, a marathon during which your philosophy is constantly being put to the sword and you can't sweep your bad planning and the weaknesses that it has created under the rag until the end. European matches, especially the Champions League, is the stage where you can compete at the highest level and check out how close or how far you are from the truly elite clubs.

And in these two competitions LvG has failed miserably this season. The league is probably going to be decided at around 80 points, which is pretty low, and yet we failed to even make a serious challenge. This isn't good enough, no matter how you choose to look at it. It only shows our stagnation at an average of 65-70 points in these last three seasons when we should be looking to move forward. From the other big boys in England, who have had similarly bad seasons, two out of three have already appointed new managers while Liverpool chose to cut their losses very soon too. If the fact that the PL's most prolific underachievers over the last decade are the only ones to keep their manager is something that should worry us, i leave it to everyone's judgement.


I won't blame LvG, if he starts next season at the helm. Imho it would mean one thing, that the board has really lowered the bar of the goals set and expectations. When the football is so uninspiring and the good results few and far between, promoting youngsters to the first team on its own can't save you at a club like United. Neither can winning a domestic cup without having faced not even one of the other big clubs.

And no, it's not like Ferguson back in the 80's. Ferguson didn't have 250 million pounds at his disposal (i know we got some of that back in the end but nevertheless we spent it) or a football giant to manage when he first arrived here. Right now we can match the highest wages in the PL and we can offer a war chest to our manager for transfers. There are no excuses for the quality of the football we're being served in the last three seasons and for not being able to pass the 70 points mark in the league.

I really do hope that's not the case.
Great post, particularly the bolded part.
 
Argh! The contrast between our supposed objective at the end of last season (according to the trainer coach himself), and what we've managed to cobble up this season is stark as can be:



'We are very close' (to being champions), 'we shall try (outmost) best to become the champion because we have the best fans in the world' - to we're better because we qualified for the progressive stage of the FA Cup, and are 'in the race' for 4th in a season where all of our traditional rivals had huge meltdowns (by their standards). All with a straight face, in front of 'the best fans in the world'. Maybe, on some level, he recognizes that he's failed United and its fans, but one can never be too sure given the lack of self awareness he's displayed repeatedly over the last 18+ months. No more, please, just go... :(
 
What an odious prick this guy is.

Here are his latest quotes about Rashford:

"You always need guts to put youngsters in the squad and also in the line-up.

"Of course the academy and all the academy coaches have credit for these players, also the scouts who discovered these boys.

"I am a little part of it. But that part is very important because you need the guts to do that (pick them for the first team)."

So Louis, you don't actually think you're a 'little part' in the story at all, do you? You think you're a very big part of the story, and deserve credit for it.

Honestly can't wait for this guy to leave. People say we should show him respect, but I find it hard to respect such an arrogant, deluded man.
 
What an odious prick this guy is.

Here are his latest quotes about Rashford:

"You always need guts to put youngsters in the squad and also in the line-up.

"Of course the academy and all the academy coaches have credit for these players, also the scouts who discovered these boys.

"I am a little part of it. But that part is very important because you need the guts to do that (pick them for the first team)."

So Louis, you don't actually think you're a 'little part' in the story at all, do you? You think you're a very big part of the story, and deserve credit for it.

Honestly can't wait for this guy to leave. People say we should show him respect, but I find it hard to respect such an arrogant, deluded man.

I honestly can't believe how some people go out of their way to dislike someone. There is absolutely nothing at all wrong with those quotes.
 
If there's no plan to address the issue in the summer then it isn't confirmation of any "message" in my opinion - its far more worrying that that - it's clear confirmation that those running the club lack the knowledge and experience to be doing so, and that they lack the ability to take difficult decisions in the best interests of the club.

Even if you assume that profit is the be all and end all, that is best served by winning games, winning trophies and being as close to the pinnacle of world football as you can. They are willing to spend huge sums of money on transfers in the hope that generates success and that more money will follow. Winning games makes making money a hell of a lot easier.
That's the thing. On one hand, they don't hesitate to do what is necessary for success even if it meant paying big for players and on the other, they seem to be messing about with the managerial situation. These two aspects doesn't add up which is why I would be incredibly surprised if LVG stays beyond this season.
 
What an odious prick this guy is.

Here are his latest quotes about Rashford:

"You always need guts to put youngsters in the squad and also in the line-up.

"Of course the academy and all the academy coaches have credit for these players, also the scouts who discovered these boys.

"I am a little part of it. But that part is very important because you need the guts to do that (pick them for the first team)."

So Louis, you don't actually think you're a 'little part' in the story at all, do you? You think you're a very big part of the story, and deserve credit for it.

Honestly can't wait for this guy to leave. People say we should show him respect, but I find it hard to respect such an arrogant, deluded man.
I am tired off LvG as well, but I can't see anything wrong in what he said here
 
I honestly can't believe how some people go out of their way to dislike someone. There is absolutely nothing at all wrong with those quotes.
Are you kidding me?

He's practically saying, "The academy have done part in developing the players, but I am truly the one who deserves all of the credit for having the real guts to give them a chance. What a great manager I am."

Read between the lines, it reeks of arrogance.
 
I honestly can't believe how some people go out of their way to dislike someone. There is absolutely nothing at all wrong with those quotes.
It's a little David Brent. He could have left it at the academy, coaches and scouts, praising the aspects that are often forgotten. It's not as if it hasn't been highlighted this season that LVG has given quite a few youngsters run outs. But still he couldn't resist bringing up the bit of "Me. You know, me. Don't forget, me. Very important, me."
 
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