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The philosophy needs players we just don't have. This idea of having a team that can slow down and quicken the play at will sounds wonderful and you can see how devastating it can be , Barca the last decade being a prime example of its effectiveness. We've struggled mostly because we don't have enough quick and skilful players and the ones that we have just aren't good enough or consistent.
Van Gaal signed about 10 players and had four transfer windows to make his choice correctly and according to his own philosophy. No doubt, he's in significant part responsible for ruining his own plan.

I wonder how many years he would need to finally get it right... with his unexplained stubornness I guess few more.
 
http://sports.opera.com/?sport=news&page=news&view=article&news_id=767189&localization_id=www
It was that article that made me realise what Louis has been trying to do.
He's been saying about moving the ball quicker all season, everytime we have a lacklustre display, which is most of them. Yes he has some pace up front, but most of yesterdays team neither have an iota of pace and also are not quick thinking. I think most people had an idea how we would play yesterday. LvG plays to the crowd, when the fans moan, he will bring this excuse out. When the fans wants a player in the side, he picks him. More often than not he blames the players rather than it being even slightly his fault.
 
Van Gaal signed about 10 players and had four transfer windows to make his choice correctly and according to his own philosophy. No doubt, he's in significant part responsible for ruining his own plan.

I wonder how many years he would need to finally get it right... with his unexplained stubornness I guess few more.
We ok at the keeping the ball part. What would an in form Memphis and Di Maria do for us? We not too far off are we if you simplify like that. We've had the odd exhilarating performance under Louis.
 
We ok at the keeping the ball part. What would an in form Memphis and Di Maria do for us? We not too far off are we if you simplify like that. We've had the odd exhilarating performance under Louis.
I'm fairly sure we could count them all on one hand. The fact that the likes of Memphis and Di Maria have never been 'in form' under LVG is his doing, we could throw out a hundred hypotheticals that would have made us less shite, like Rooney being back to 2010 levels, or Smalling being the next Rio, or as you mentioned Memphis not being as useful as a bag of bricks unless he's up against remarkably rubbish sides. It's pointless to even try to make these scenarios up, literally any failed manager could be excused using them.
 
We were time wasting struggling to hold onto 1-0 against Villa at home while the team we're chasing easily dispatches Chelsea 3-0 away.
 
I am. I'm new here, so unsure of the etiquette. Can I mention that a large part of the reason for doing so was reading posts by "gav81" in a thread called "the right replacement for LVG" on http://community.manutd.com/forums/7.aspx ? although I have been thinking about it myself these past few months too.

Apologies if my reply seemed a bit direct, it just seems a strange choice.

Neither manager excelled when they managed in the Premier League. ROI's style of football is also fairly primitive.

They seem like perfect managers to motivate a poor side to punch above their weight, not managing a top side which should be competing for top honours (I know we aren't presently but that should always be the aim).
 
I'm fairly sure we could count them all on one hand. The fact that the likes of Memphis and Di Maria have never been 'in form' under LVG is his doing, we could throw out a hundred hypotheticals that would have made us less shite, like Rooney being back to 2010 levels, or Smalling being the next Rio, or as you mentioned Memphis not being as useful as a bag of bricks unless he's up against remarkably rubbish sides. It's pointless to even try to make these scenarios up, literally any failed manager could be excused using them.
Yeah you right. Them hypothetical equations sure do keep a conversation going around here though as useless as they are.
 
We ok at the keeping the ball part. What would an in form Memphis and Di Maria do for us? We not too far off are we if you simplify like that. We've had the odd exhilarating performance under Louis.
Relatively not that far, I agree but youngsters may need few years to sharpen their skills further through gain of experience, our defense could use one or two ball winners like it was in Rio & Vidic era, we need more specialists in distribution, free kicks, corners but also steel combined with creativity in midfield that won't be haunted by injuries which may got to do with simple inefficiency when team needs a boost of tempo in certain moments that are crucial in winning matches. Someone who can easily take his opponent by skill and speed like Martial would always be welcomed here if not mostly needed in probably greater numbers.

If and that's a big 'if', Van Gaal will reach 4th place and perhaps win the cup he should present his plan of immediate repairment not only of his own mistakes but things that will set standards only higher from his eventual 3rd season but I'm afraid it's too late for that. The atmosphere at Old Trafford is dead and yesterday's win felt like a funeral. Silence speaks volumes and some of the response from more experienced fans and caftards in general shows that there is not much to squeeze from Van Gaal's era.

Even if truly big things are happening now behind closed doors and Van Gaal knows who to sign to inject life and title ambitions it's already a huge risk, probably bigger than appointing new man in charge.
 
Apologies if my reply seemed a bit direct, it just seems a strange choice.

Neither manager excelled when they managed in the Premier League. ROI's style of football is also fairly primitive.

They seem like perfect managers to motivate a poor side to punch above their weight, not managing a top side which should be competing for top honours (I know we aren't presently but that should always be the aim).
Reading gav81's posts changed my mind on exactly those concerns. I have to say I loved how the team played with Roy as captain and have enormous respect for O'Neill, so gav81's arguments do carry that much more weight for me.
 
Dear Ed,

The LVG out thread on the caf has reached 600 pages. Time to start taking this seriously.
 
I'm really beginning to think the ROI double-act of O'Neill and Keane would be the right call - if they could be signed-up.

Even as a Wycombe season ticket holder, who grew up in the O Neill glory days, even I'd say there's no chance of this mate.
 
Relatively not that far, I agree but youngsters may need few years to sharpen their skills further through gain of experience, our defense could use one or two ball winners like it was in Rio & Vidic era, we need more specialists in distribution, free kicks, corners but also steel combined with creativity in midfield that won't be haunted by injuries which may got to do with simple inefficiency when team needs a boost of tempo in certain moments that are crucial in winning matches. Someone who can easily take his opponent by skill and speed like Martial would always be welcomed here if not mostly needed in probably greater numbers.

If and that's a big 'if', Van Gaal will reach 4th place and perhaps win the cup he should present his plan of immediate repairment not only of his own mistakes but things that will set standards only higher from his eventual 3rd season but I'm afraid it's too late for that. The atmosphere at Old Trafford is dead and yesterday's win felt like a funeral. Silence speaks volumes and some of the response from more experienced fans and caftards in general shows that there is not much to squeeze from Van Gaal's era.

Even if truly big things are happening now behind closed doors and Van Gaal knows who to sign to inject life and title ambitions it's already a huge risk, probably bigger than appointing new man in charge.
This is where Ryan Giggs comes into the discussion. He possibly could be the man to carry on the job. I'm sure some of Louis methods have rubbed off on him and of course we know that he carries United's DNA.
 
Dear Ed,

The LVG out thread on the caf has reached 600 pages. Time to start taking this seriously.

There is a Wenger out thread, which currently has 26,263 posts.
By comparison, our LVG out thread has 23,982.
So, we still have a way to go, to catch up with Arsenal's version of this thread, but I have every confidence that we will catch them.
 
There's enough in Louis' CV to suggest his ways are useful to say the least. Maybe Ryan sees things he would tweak that could bring about better results.

Tweaking would've been required if we were winning the league, but the football was boring.
What we have is poor results and very poor style.
We don't need to tweak. We need throw away current philosophy completely and start from scratch.
 
This is where Ryan Giggs comes into the discussion. He possibly could be the man to carry on the job. I'm sure some of Louis methods have rubbed off on him and of course we know that he carries United's DNA.
I wish him all best and I would love him repair his home club as much as personal life with his family but we don't have much reference on Giggs as a leader of one of the biggest sport institutions in the world. Such experienced manager as Louis van Gaal cannot handle the league let alone simple expectation of being a Champions League team. Three years of stagnation is nothing scary but it may be alarming when you see how many competitive managers are on their way here, offering fresh energy to our biggest rivals and ambitious goals to achieve.

Legendary footballer so far but nothing more than that without proving himself even on a smaller gig. Simple question: Do we have time to give Giggs, let's say three years and demand from him God knows what ? You can't really expect he'll just storm the league like that and achieve at least place in a Champions League with team that is still unbalanced and stripped of many vital options in English football such as fast wings and strong, injury resisiting defenders ? We don't even have a bloody sport director who would secure proper players...

Giggs is a huge risk but that comes from a jaded United supporter who lost some of his belief in higher structures of this club. You seem ready to go in full optimism with Ryan handling everything against Pep, Klopp, Pochettino or miles more experienced Wenger & Hiddink. Mourinho can take that pressure plus he can wage good old psychological warfare on them throughout seasons like Fergie did against Wenger. I'm just not sure Giggsy will handle it in a pool of hungry sharks... yet.
 
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There's enough in Louis' CV to suggest his ways are useful to say the least. Maybe Ryan sees things he would tweak that could bring about better results.

There is also a lot to suggest his ways aren't useful as well and a clearly lot more than tweaking is needed. LVG is all over the place and totally outdated, we don't want anyone trying to carry on what he is doing and I seriously doubt gigs would want to play anything like this, few people would.
 
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Manchester United have only conceded 7 goals at home this season - the fewest in the Premier League
 
He actually said it's difficult against a "defensively organised team like Villa"

Haven't they conceded nearly 70 goals?!
Yes but you have to realize that the mighty tribe of Villa valiantly put up eleventy-thousand and nine defensive stalwarts behind the foot-ball, only Louis of Gaal could mastermind such a decisive result, his ways of playing with said ball are sacrosanct.
 
He also said that it's easy to say that we have to win the games, but it's "difficult to perform".

Sounds like a nympho senior citizen suffering from erectile dysfunction.

Perhaps then it's best we find someone who knows how to 'perform' then eh Louis?
 
He actually said it's difficult against a "defensively organised team like Villa"

Haven't they conceded nearly 70 goals?!

Motherf- was that in the post match he said that??

Villa have been conceding left right and centre all season!! If you left them alone on the pitch they'd probably score an own goal but yet they're difficult to break down?!
 
Motherf- was that in the post match he said that??

Villa have been conceding left right and centre all season!! If you left them alone on the pitch they'd probably score an own goal but yet they're difficult to break down?!

Yeah....Saw it on Twitter and thought it had to be made up but, nope. It's in the post match interviews
 
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