LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!

[dwd]

Are you a season ticket holder? would you renew if LVG stays?

Yes, I am going to renew on the day of the deadline no matter what happens. If LVG stays I will farm out my tickets amongst family and friends and probably go to half of the games myself.

 

[Adebesi]

Personally I'll credit Moyes for setting the foundations for LvG to build upon. If we ever win a trophy again it's because of Moyes.

Hail Moyes, the underestimated One

In a sense he did lay the foundations Van Gaal is building on. There is no way fighting for 4th place would have been seen as acceptable without Moyes.

 

[ghagua]

Learned what exactly? How to score and attack? 40 bloody goals in 33 games and with relegation level attacking stats in chance creation and shots on goal. How to defend? We tend to fall apart the minute we go up against any half decent attack and have been saved a ridiculous amount of times by De Gea playing out of his skin. Not to mention some of the embarrassing displays where we were completely torn apart by the likes of Wolfsburg, Newcastle(LOL), Arsenal and Spurs. I suppose he taught them how to aimlessly pass the ball and to bore the shite out of the OT crowd consistently.

This idea that LVG will leave some grand imprint on the club is bizarre, his brand of death by possession will be hastily discarded as soon as he leaves, namely because A.it utterly failed during his reign B.was horrendous to watch and has become the bane of most United fans and C. the managers most likely to take over from him play nothing close to his style.

Not to mention the fact that so many of our more exciting, attacking players have gradually looked worse and worse with far less focus on creativity and instinctive decision making as they play more games under Van Gaal.

Trying to credit Van Gaal with future success is just plain disingenuous, one particular Kinder Bueno fan tried to incessantly peddle this line of thought and it was consistently rubbished every time, he didn't create the current Bayern and Barca dynasties during a collective two year managerial spell, both occasions of which where he was unceremoniously sacked for failing to deliver and was criticized by several players/coaches/fans for his stubbornness and restrictive style. At the very least I can only hope to christ that he doesn't leave any 'legacy' here because we've already seen the fruit of his great 'work' during the last two seasons and most United fans want to never have to consistently endure that play style and performance level again in the near future.

Top post. Still cannot believe there are people who are trying to defend this manager, not just defend, but they are making a case for him if United have success in the future as well.

 

[Sunny Jim]

Learned what exactly? How to score and attack? 40 bloody goals in 33 games and with relegation level attacking stats in chance creation and shots on goal. How to defend? We tend to fall apart the minute we go up against any half decent attack and have been saved a ridiculous amount of times by De Gea playing out of his skin. Not to mention some of the embarrassing displays where we were completely torn apart by the likes of Wolfsburg, Newcastle(LOL), Arsenal and Spurs. I suppose he taught them how to aimlessly pass the ball and to bore the shite out of the OT crowd consistently.

This idea that LVG will leave some grand imprint on the club is bizarre, his brand of death by possession will be hastily discarded as soon as he leaves, namely because A.it utterly failed during his reign B.was horrendous to watch and has become the bane of most United fans and C. the managers most likely to take over from him play nothing close to his style.

Not to mention the fact that so many of our more exciting, attacking players have gradually looked worse and worse with far less focus on creativity and instinctive decision making as they play more games under Van Gaal.

Trying to credit Van Gaal with future success is just plain disingenuous, one particular Kinder Bueno fan tried to incessantly peddle this line of thought and it was consistently rubbished every time, he didn't create the current Bayern and Barca dynasties during a collective two year managerial spell, both occasions of which where he was unceremoniously sacked for failing to deliver and was criticized by several players/coaches/fans for his stubbornness and restrictive style. At the very least I can only hope to christ that he doesn't leave any 'legacy' here because we've already seen the fruit of his great 'work' during the last two seasons and most United fans want to never have to consistently endure that play style and performance level again in the near future.

Amen.

 

[ken11]

Meh, will just become MouEra

*cringe*

 

[sunama]

I'm always going to remember that Leicester 5-3 United match as the death of Louis van Gaal

That loss to LCFC and J.Vardy was the start of the ultra defensive 1 goal per game target. It was as if LVG was psychologically damaged after that.
Even in that game, we had scored 3 goals in 60 minutes, which in 2016 would never happen.
I remember Di Maria and Mata was running the show. Even Di Maria's misplaced pass resulted in a goal (in one of our earlier games). Di Maria was taking pot shots from all areas of the pitch and teams were panicking when when we attacked.
When LVG first arrived, he stated that he is all about attacking football and that's exactly what we were getting...up to and including that LCFC game.

Had Vardy chosen a different career, perhaps we'd still be scoring 2-4 goals per match, Di Maria would still be here and LVG would be targeting the CL. Who knows.

 

[golden_blunder]

Van gaal teaches the players to think..

..about the plonker that's managing them

..so that when they are losing they can try and work it out themselves because he's incapable of doing so

It's like a bad joke

 

[ravi2]

The Spurs victory last night against Stoke exposes our so called transition as an utter failure. At the start of the season they gave us a game and were perhaps unlucky. They struggled with this season, injuries and form but worked to a plan of flowing and attacking football. Then their run in clicked and the points difference between us exposes a more serious problem. We simply dont create chances to score four goals in a game. They play to the end and move on to the next game with little fuss. We go into press cons of mind numbing nonsense about red zones and other gobbledegook.

We have not progressed and FA semis are not testament to any great lasting success. Villa and Spurs games highlight how far we have fallen behind. We are reduced to producing a handfull of chances and a goal or 2. The goal differences are dramatic: Spurs 64 goals to our 40 further illustrates just how poor we really are, because only Southampton at 45 are close, everyone else is in the 50s. Thats a wapping 24 games on our present levels of peformance.

During the same season Spurs have generated quality from their youngish squad. We have one or two individuals but on the whole we look pretty average. The massive changes in players have not done anything to raise our game. Instead we look like those silly squads in the past with massive player turnover, no change in performance, and mid table mediocrity. These factors point to woeful leadership and below average strategies.

The philosophy is utter nonsense. Doesnt matter how many years or players this guy is given he simply cannot produce a side like Spurs or even motivate us into a side like Leicester. Two years on and we are virtually in the same place he started but at the cost of players and money. The fans didnt show up against Villa, they know its going to be poor. Another season of this and I really do fear for our future.

Solid post

 

[golden_blunder]

That loss to LCFC and J.Vardy was the start of the ultra defensive 1 goal per game target. It was as if LVG was psychologically damaged after that.
Even in that game, we had scored 3 goals in 60 minutes, which in 2016 would never happen.
I remember Di Maria and Mata was running the show. Even Di Maria's misplaced pass resulted in a goal (in one of our earlier games). Di Maria was taking pot shots from all areas of the pitch and teams were panicking when when we attacked.
When LVG first arrived, he stated that he is all about attacking football and that's exactly what we were getting...up to and including that LCFC game.

Had Vardy chosen a different career, perhaps we'd still be scoring 2-4 goals per match, Di Maria would still be here and LVG would be targeting the CL. Who knows.

I just woke up with my head in my cornflakes

 

[JB08]

What do people think will happen if we sack him before the end of the season? Who will finish the season in charge? Don't see Giggs taking it temporarily again, so who? Warren Joyce?

Also, is it worth sacking him while we are still in the FA Cup? It was inevitably cause instability and we have a seriously good chance of winning it. Because of this, we could well be waiting until after the final for him to leave imo.

 

[Cal?]

What do people think will happen if we sack him before the end of the season? Who will finish the season in charge? Don't see Giggs taking it temporarily again, so who? Warren Joyce?

Also, is it worth sacking him while we are still in the FA Cup? It was inevitably cause instability and we have a seriously good chance of winning it. Because of this, we could well be waiting until after the final for him to leave imo.

At the moment I'd rather have Rashford as player manager than LVG.

 

[golden_blunder]

Clearly not going to sack him now at this point

 

[sunama]

At the moment I'd rather have Rashford as player manager than LVG.

LOL. Yep.

Typically though, when the manager gets fired, its almost always the assistant manager who acts as caretaker manager.
Tea lady, Warren Joyce, Giggs - there are plenty of options.

 

[Kaos]

I really do wish our fans were more hostile. This whole 'United way' nonsense shouldn't equate to a high threshold for failure.

We're likely going to pass on Mourinho to give this failure another season and still we'll have fans lining up to shake his hand after capitulating a game to cannon fodder.

 

[Robbie Boy]

At the moment I'd rather have Rashford as player manager than LVG.

Good shout.

 

[Robbie Boy]

I really do wish our fans were more hostile. This whole 'United way' nonsense shouldn't equate to a high threshold for failure.

We're likely going to pass on Mourinho to give this failure another season and still we'll have fans lining up to shake his hand after capitulating a game to cannon fodder.

Couldn't agree more but some on here will get upset with your attitude.

 

[Kaos]

Couldn't agree more but some on here will get upset with your attitude.

I couldn't care less who I upset tbh.

I'd argue the most damaging thing about our club lately is our sanctimonious, hollier than thou attitude about not being a sacking club and giving our manager unconditional support. If he's dragging us down each day while the board do bugger all with their fingers firmly inside their arses, then its up to the fans to be heard.

 

[Jazz]

Can't see LVG staying if people don't even want to go to our matches. I like him as a person, but if the board let him stay, it will be hugely damaging to club. I cannot see how this could be justified to shareholders and sponsors.

Glad our fans are making their feelings known. The only way to make the board wake up and do something, is by hitting them in the pocket tbh.

 

[bosnian_red]

What do people think will happen if we sack him before the end of the season? Who will finish the season in charge? Don't see Giggs taking it temporarily again, so who? Warren Joyce?

Also, is it worth sacking him while we are still in the FA Cup? It was inevitably cause instability and we have a seriously good chance of winning it. Because of this, we could well be waiting until after the final for him to leave imo.

Yeah, there's a few reasons to keep him until the end of the season. Obviously the FA cup, but also there's no point in sacking him now, having someone interrim for a few games, and then getting another manager in the summer. Won't change anything anyway. Just let him see out the season, hopefully we win a cup, and then get rid. The board probably wouldn't have to pay as much to sack him after top 4 is officially lost (like we did with Moyes)

 

[Robbie Boy]

I couldn't care less who I upset tbh.

I'd argue the most damaging thing about our club lately is our sanctimonious, hollier than thou attitude about not being a sacking club and giving our manager unconditional support. If he's dragging us down each day while the board do bugger all with their fingers firmly inside their arses, then its up to the fans to be heard.

Yeah all this "we're a better club" bollox is completely counterproductive. Fans need to make their voices heard and show done dissent towards LvG in open, not just on message boards etc. But unfortunately, I just don't see it happening.

 

[FC Ronaldo]

This is going to get some heat

 

[SteveJ]

The Telegraph's gone downhill - they can't even spell their own name.

 

[Jazz]

This is going to get some heat

FFS

 

[Acquire Me]

FFS

Dont worry mate, they are wrong. I guess they hope he stays.

 

[Oneunited26]

I think everyone agrees we'll see the benefit once he leaves.

Ah of course I have figured out with VG, when people say his teams he has spent a couple of seasons at benefit after he leaves, well it is because when he is sacked by clubs, players all of a sudden start playing well when he is not there. That is his skill, players get better when he is sacked after running the clubs into the ground, makes sense

 

[JPRouve]

The Telegraph's gone downhill - they can't even spell their own name.

 

[Jazz]

Dont worry mate, they are wrong. I guess they hope he stays.

@Acquire Me to the rescue!

 

[LawCharltonBest]

In a sick way, I'm getting a little curious towards the idea of Louis van Gaal being our manager next season

Don't get me wrong, if I were United CEO I would sack him asap. I'd have to. Especially as he only has 1 year left anyway.

But as a pure fan who can do nothing about it anyway, I just think he surely couldn't do as badly next season. And what if it did all suddenly click? I also want to see Mensah, Rashford and co continue to be regulars. That all said, I'll probably realize I'm being stupid the next time I see United drop points to a rubbish team.

 

[acnumber9]

That loss to LCFC and J.Vardy was the start of the ultra defensive 1 goal per game target. It was as if LVG was psychologically damaged after that.
Even in that game, we had scored 3 goals in 60 minutes, which in 2016 would never happen.
I remember Di Maria and Mata was running the show. Even Di Maria's misplaced pass resulted in a goal (in one of our earlier games). Di Maria was taking pot shots from all areas of the pitch and teams were panicking when when we attacked.
When LVG first arrived, he stated that he is all about attacking football and that's exactly what we were getting...up to and including that LCFC game.

Had Vardy chosen a different career, perhaps we'd still be scoring 2-4 goals per match, Di Maria would still be here and LVG would be targeting the CL. Who knows.

Apart from those first three games where we scored two goals and had two points. Against the might of Burnley, Swansea and Sunderland.

 

[Scorpy]

Pure guesswork from Van Der Kraan, who knows feck all.

 

[sunama]

Apart from those first three games where we scored two goals and had two points. Against the might of Burnley, Swansea and Sunderland.

Those first few games were without our new signings. Our new signings started playing from 02/09 onwards.
Against teams like MK Dons and Swansea, LVG was using existing fringe players (I think even Anderson got a game), to see how they performed.
Once Di Maria and Falcao (shock horror!) started playing, we were forcing the attacks.

 

[Winrar]

That loss to LCFC and J.Vardy was the start of the ultra defensive 1 goal per game target. It was as if LVG was psychologically damaged after that.
Even in that game, we had scored 3 goals in 60 minutes, which in 2016 would never happen.
I remember Di Maria and Mata was running the show. Even Di Maria's misplaced pass resulted in a goal (in one of our earlier games). Di Maria was taking pot shots from all areas of the pitch and teams were panicking when when we attacked.
When LVG first arrived, he stated that he is all about attacking football and that's exactly what we were getting...up to and including that LCFC game.

Had Vardy chosen a different career, perhaps we'd still be scoring 2-4 goals per match, Di Maria would still be here and LVG would be targeting the CL. Who knows.

any manager that gets psychologically damaged after 1 game is unfit to be our manager

 

[sunama]

But as a pure fan who can do nothing about it anyway, I just think he surely couldn't do as badly next season. And what if it did all suddenly click? I also want to see Mensah, Rashford and co continue to be regulars. That all said, I'll probably realize I'm being stupid the next time I see United drop points to a rubbish team.

Regardless of who he would play next year (he could buy Messi, Suarez and Neymar), he'd still target 4th place.
At some point during this season, 4th place became our standard and LVG is determined to ensure that we don't over achieve.

 

[Insanity]

Louis van Gaal says Man Utd close to Tottenham despite 12-point gap

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...n-utd-close-to-tottenham-despite-12-point-gap

Louis van Gaal says Manchester United would be challenging for the title with Tottenham if he had "a senior creative player".

United are 12 points behind Mauricio Pochettino's second-placed Spurs heading into Wednesday's game against Crystal Palace and were beaten 3-0 at White Hart Lane earlier this month.

But Van Gaal claims that scoreline and the points difference do not represent the true gap in quality between the sides.

And the Dutchman has renewed his call - made last summer and again during the January transfer window - for United to sign more attacking talent.

He said: "We have beaten Tottenham 1-0 [earlier in the season] and until the 70th minute [this month] I think we were the better team but then there was a miscommunication.

"So, I don't think there is a lot of distance between Tottenham and Manchester United, but the distance is in points. They have won more, they are scoring more and that's because they have more creative players.

"It's always the case. I have said in advance what we need and in my opinion I don't have a senior creative player. Everybody knows that."

Van Gaal rejected the chance to join Spurs before Pochettino's appointment in 2014 and claimed after this month's defeat that United will "always" be a bigger club.

United could yet qualify for the Champions League and win the FA Cup this season, and they go to Wembley this weekend for a semi-final with Everton.

Wayne Rooney is in contention to face his old club after returning from a knee injury, but his place is not guaranteed.

Van Gaal said: "It's dependent on how he plays, like every player. We have to see how he is playing. We will have to see how he is feeling in the second half against Crystal Palace and still he has to play good."

Yup, only scored 24 more and conceded 6 less, Spurs. There is no gap at all; only the points.

Did 'everybody' know that we are only a senior creative player away from winning the title?

Basically, he sees nothing wrong in our playing style and believes that we are a Robben away from winning the league. Great!

 

[Kostur]

Yup, only scored 24 more and conceded 6 less, Spurs. There is no gap at all; only the points.

Did 'everybody' know that we are only a senior creative player away from winning the title?

Basically, he sees nothing wrong in our playing style and believes that we are a Robben away from winning the league. Great!

Delusions of shiteur.

 

[Grinner]

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/van-gaal-quits.8908/

From the legend that was Davo:

Could be useful for you eh?

 

[Sunny Jim]

Yup, only scored 24 more and conceded 6 less, Spurs. There is no gap at all; only the points.

Did 'everybody' know that we are only a senior creative player away from winning the title?

Basically, he sees nothing wrong in our playing style and believes that we are a Robben away from winning the league. Great!

he is off his rocker either that or he takes pressers while being drunk

 

[NK86]

Yup, only scored 24 more and conceded 6 less, Spurs. There is no gap at all; only the points.

Did 'everybody' know that we are only a senior creative player away from winning the title?

Basically, he sees nothing wrong in our playing style and believes that we are a Robben away from winning the league. Great!

At least on Rooney, he has climbed down from "my captain always plays" to "he has to play well to get his spot". Silver lining?

 

[Insanity]

he is off his rocker either that or he takes pressers while being drunk

Or Woody gives him post match ego massages, telling him how great a job he is doing.

At least on Rooney, he has climbed down from "my captain always plays" to "he has to play well to get his spot". Silver lining?

Rooney still started the last game and will most likely start tonight too. Think he is talking about his fitness, not his level of performance.

 

[midnightmare]

"So, I don't think there is a lot of distance between Tottenham and Manchester United, but the distance is in points. They have won more, they are scoring more and that's because they have more creative players.

Yep, just like Getafe aren't too far off Barcelona and Villa aren't far off Leicester and Spurs... Oh and I'm not far off Ronaldo. I just run slower, pass less accurately and don't score as much (on or off the pitch, I'll admit). Aside from that, not much distance, no...