and the funny thing he will claim the injuries disrupted this season. He should be thankful for these. If it hadn't been for injuries we would never have heard about CBJ, TFM, Rashford and others. Rashford contributed 10% of the league goals!
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and the funny thing he will claim the injuries disrupted this season. He should be thankful for these. If it hadn't been for injuries we would never have heard about CBJ, TFM, Rashford and others. Rashford contributed 10% of the league goals!
We should be so lucky.
The difference is Moyes' team was forcing the issue. It was like driving a car on 1st gear all season, Moyes didn't know how shift gears to 3rd, 4th and 5th. It was beyond him. Van Gaal drives the same car on reverse. Technically they go with similar speed.
Given the work that needed doing when LVG took over I'm not convinced we'd be much further along the team building curve with anyone else. Admittedly we'd prob be a damn sight better to watch mind but we needed to clear the decks. Jesus LVG took a sledge hammer to the squad and I'm ok with that. If only to reduce the wage bill and lesson the depth of average our young players needed to wade through to the first team. The purchases for me have been good and may become very good in time. The worldies we need we didnt get and the next manager only needs to concentrate on these as the squad is in great shape age dynamic wise for me. Building teams takes an age the way we lean towards which is kids.
It has nothing to do with tabloids or media 'sensationalism', you just have to look up transferleague to see that we have a gross spend of around £249 million under LVG, that is on record, nothing made up about it.
And the fact that LVG completely failed to properly manage or implement Di Maria after breaking the British transfer record for him and being forced to sell him at a loss is nothing but further a failure and a terrible reflection on his squad management. If you seriously want to start pointing to the almighty net spend then don't be surprised to see people simply ridicule the idea that it has any importance.
because it's what he's spent to play shit football. he's made bad choices. from his selling/signing of players , to his formations , to his substitutions. he's had to spend more to cover his bad spends. this doesn't get moyes off the hook by any means. LVG has been a disaster at united.
I still maintain he was the right appoimnet in 2014. The best we could get. No doubt bout that. I got disillusioned about him in November of 2014. Ideally he should have been sacked in December. Kudos to.him for.getting rid of some players but imo he also sold a few we should have kept. And his purchases have been mixed bag as.well. Rojo is wank, i dont understand why he is still here.
Spurs goal difference =35
United goal scored =40
End this shit now woody.
United goal scored =40
End this shit now woody.
Average possesion though?
Whilst I agree generally with what you are saying I feel I have to point one issue; with anyone else I doubt very much if we'd have had a situation that led to ADM being so disoriented with life at the club. Granted the player had his own issues but he was shifted around and probably felt Van Gaal's wrath for his which enabled PSG to turn his head earlier than it would have been under a more accommodating manager. In this respect we'd have been further along in development than we are with Van Looney because a player like ADM is what you need against the bottom half sides we have failed to dispatch this season.
Rojo is wa_k. Well started alright and went down hill. Similar to Darmian. But Darmian was some lesser version of the 2014 player of year in Italy I heard. Depay the same in Holland. I wanted both and there was nothing to suggest they couldnt make the step and they might yet still. I get all the LVG hate in this day in age you have to win games, win them in style and build seamlessly in the background. He's not done that. Don't particularly think Maureen would have done so well on some fronts. He would have won more perhaps but stuck to aged and trusted players. The next manager we get must build on these kids otherwise LVG's time will have been a complete waste which I dont think it will be with the right man.
Well I don't personally agree a player who openly suggested PSG were his favoured choice before he even left here is what we needed this year to get us top 4. I mean its possible another manager would have bended more to his will but I myself would have fu_ked him out the door because I personally think any player who insults this great club and talks of another whilst employed here isn't fit to wear the shirt regardless of points he may or may not have put up!
I agree ADM was a cnut in the second part of the season but you have to agree that Van Looney played a part in the situation escalating to the levels it reached. If he had sulked from day one then you'd say he was never happy here but his first few months he appeared happy and produced the goods but then Van Gaal started changing formations and his position in them in addition to the challenges he had settling in, we all know that these players have different levels of mental strength.
But for you to say having him around wouldn't have aided our push for a better finish is false. Aside from being an assist machine this is a player who was always selected in Mourinho and Ancelotti's Madrid teams and always did well. Something clearly went wrong at United but its not a stretch to claim that under a better man mannager he would have aided our attack and we would be ahead in team building terms as a result.
What he did after becoming disillusioned is not important because by then the relationship was irrevocably broken. The truth of the matter is that players talk to other clubs all the time and, when they get their moves, always talk up their new club to please the fans. Do yoy think De Gea wasn't talking to Madrid last season and wouldn't have proclaimed them as his first choice/dream club after signing for them?
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Yep, I'd agree with that. Whereas upon reflection Moyes was a poor appointment and quite clearly not a high enough caliber of manager for United, LVG had plenty of pedigree and success, and had done alright that summer with Holland at the Euros. Dreadful in retrospect, and should be gone by now, but it'd be hard to fault the board for going with what looked like a decent option at the time.
Its possible but has he been the Real player at PSG? I don't blame LVG for what happened but you do and thats fine. If a player like him can't adjust to different positions and requirements its on him for me. Abit like the story Henry was saying about Pep telling him not to move to the right side of the pitch for Barca.....he did...and he scored in the CL....and was duly taken off for it at half time. LVG isnt winning enough games and thats why everything is questioned. Fergie had 7 defenders on the pitch against Arsenal in the FA cup I recall. I got about 10 texts pre kick off laughing at the old goat. The twins had a stormer in midfield and all was forgotton. Anyone else, or a different result, and the critics are right to say shit decision!
LVG should be sacked just because we scored only 2 goals vs Villa over 2 legs! We were wasting time towards the end vs a side that will go down as possibly the 3rd worst side in PL history after Derby and Sunderland.
We have played around 50-55 games and LVG still doesn't know his best XI. He makes changes in HT, like he did today. Depay became more lively in 2nd half, but there are few negatives attached with it too- Rooney being way worse. His change in tactics are a trade for 1 playing doing better and one going worse.
And I don't get how every attacking player struggles under him. This is a general point and not specific to todays game. But ADM, Mata, Martial, Herrera, Rooney, Depay, etc. no one improved under him but rather regressed as they became more familiar with philosophy. And the philosophy crap he is throwing at Mata, LVG is lucky Mata has not had attitude problems, because If I was a player who was a regular in International squad, and my place is not secure in an year with Euros coming up, I'd go to the manager and fight for my place.
Also, what has LVG done to Memphis. Struggling with pace and physicality of League may take time. BUt a player going from most FreeKick goals in a season to some extremely poor free kicks in a season is surely not League related
We have played around 50-55 games and LVG still doesn't know his best XI. He makes changes in HT, like he did today. Depay became more lively in 2nd half, but there are few negatives attached with it too- Rooney being way worse. His change in tactics are a trade for 1 playing doing better and one going worse.
And I don't get how every attacking player struggles under him. This is a general point and not specific to todays game. But ADM, Mata, Martial, Herrera, Rooney, Depay, etc. no one improved under him but rather regressed as they became more familiar with philosophy. And the philosophy crap he is throwing at Mata, LVG is lucky Mata has not had attitude problems, because If I was a player who was a regular in International squad, and my place is not secure in an year with Euros coming up, I'd go to the manager and fight for my place.
Also, what has LVG done to Memphis. Struggling with pace and physicality of League may take time. BUt a player going from most FreeKick goals in a season to some extremely poor free kicks in a season is surely not League related
Here is the thing, you have to back the strange/big calls with results otherwise they get thrown back at you. We sold one of the most creative players in European football over the last five years, who was our record signing, and proceeded to create our lowest goal scoring chances in decades, he's got to take some blame.
I think his season at Real was a freak playing in a midfield 3 in his best position. Dont think his stats outside of that throw up anything which suggests he's a great at anything but I might be being stupid. It happens
But beating LVG with everything is fine. I'm of the belief the next man will find a squad that only needs the stardust added. Afew top quality acts. We chased and failed them with LVG. You can say Di Maria was the one I say not quite. The squads in good shape. If we had a fit and firing Bale, a fit and firing Fabregas or the Pedro at Barca.......I think we'd be better off but the fact these players (Well 2 at least) this season havent done well with other managers shows it aint easy........Do you think LVG would have done better? I don't think he would have tbh.
I think he would have swung the axe quicker, which would have been better today....thats all I can say. It was always going to be a hard transition and people saying it could have been so much easier...I'm just not sure it could at all...if the plan was to build a fresh young team..which is looking like the plan..and lets be fair....would have been the suggested plan from upstairs no doubt. In Kidz we trust!
Finishing position has just as many quirks. In many other seasons we'd be comfortably lower half of mid table right now. Seventh with the defending champions can prove a number of things, key players quite obviously clocked off early for us that year and only tried their best in the CL. Moyes season was in my opinion the true representation of how many points SAF was worth to that squad.
So....net spend?
Van Gaal's spent a lot of money to build a squad as he sees fit. Surely you can't dispute that?
You don't sign a player for a British record fee without having a plan of how you will use him. The fact that we kept moving Di Maria around was proof of that.
Cnut or not,that doesn't excuse the fact that he was mismanaged.
Do Maria's attitude near the end was awefuĺ,but Van Gaal has a record of being quite a poor man manager. Both are to blame for that disaster of a signing.
I think the way you have to look at it is, did we really need to smash the entire squad and re-build the football? People can say certain players needed to leave, I am okay with that concept but one must understand that this "rebuild" in teh first place didn't need to happen. It is a Louisball™ "rebuild" that was copy pasted over the club who had already built the cornerstone of the league and won 13 of the last 21 league titles. One year crashing out of the top four didn't put us in the weeds. No matter how hard people try to claim that.
We very purposely embarked on a rebuild that didn't need to happen. What is done is done and I am sitting here patiently and most of my trigger responses are "fix the football and the fans will stop whinging about everything else" to most of the football related questions. This guys football doesn't, will not and will never work in this league. It is to unpredictable and based around athletic power and wresting that power over your opponent.
You have to view it like this, if someone came into your house to do a renovation on your second level and he started smashing out load bearing walls and the whole house fell down while you were out one day. Would you look at the rubble and say "well at least we knocked out a bunch of those shitty walls we didn't want, eh?.."
Bild are saying Mourinho has signed a three year deal with us (thanks to Google translate) and seems like they aren't quoting another source, but are using their own info.
Just goes to show how shite Villa are if a 1 - 0 win over them was enough to push Woody into finally hiring Mourinho.
The bord have turned this season into a slow, painful death. Still, if some of the youngsters LVG used go on to become key players for United, then there will be some positives from this season. That's a big IF though. We were enchanted with Macheda, then Januzaj but time killed the hopes (hopefully Januzaj will have a good career after all).
LVG should have been sacked last December, just after Mourinho became available. This would tell everyone that the club demands the best from everyone, and tries to get the best available for every position. Our owners and the upper management fecked up.
I'll believe it when it is on the club website.
The high point of this idiots managerial reign must be when the players tried to play keep ball in Villa's corner with still 5 minutes on the clock, fearful thet they might run up the pitch for the equaliser. The many nightmares of a long winded charlatan being encouraged to go beyond his sell by date. Spurs must be laughing all the way to the bank.
I genuinely believe this would have pleased him
Don´t believe everything that Bild says they are in the same league as the Sun, Mail, Express etc.
That's not what I said, however, yes I do think if we win the F.A Cup and Martial, Rashford and TFM go onto be big hits at United we'll look back at this year fondly. If that is a controversial opinion, then so be it.
Nah mourinho was just days away from a humongous failure for the first time in his career. It's better that he gets a 6 month break to start afresh in the league.
I'm really beginning to think the ROI double-act of O'Neill and Keane would be the right call - if they could be signed-up.
Are you being serious?
The philosophy needs players we just don't have. This idea of having a team that can slow down and quicken the play at will sounds wonderful and you can see how devastating it can be , Barca the last decade being a prime example of its effectiveness. We've struggled mostly because we don't have enough quick and skilful players and the ones that we have just aren't good enough or consistent.
Then has been screamed by everyone, you have a system to bring the best out of your players. He has not been able or willing to do this, so he has deservedly failed.
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