Not very optimistic sign for the future if he's gonna stay here for another year but today he probably bought himself time for few matches more as Mourinho still wants to be back in June and nowhere near earlier.
LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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Very confusing indeed
Edit: I've no idea what you disagreed with. You're overly pedantic about a hypothetical situation and are looking for a 'debate' with me that isn't there. Quite frankly, I have no idea what you're on about. Ok you don't like hypothetical scenarios on message forums? Gotcha.
Why are you working to find scenarios in which you wouldn't support United? That was the point.
Why would any United fan not want to win a trophy, this is truly unbelievably cretinous.
12 years since we won the FA Cup and this is one of our best chances in years. Might be another 12 years before we get as close again.
Want LvG out as much as anyone but he'll be gone anyway in the summer whether we win the cup or not - nevertheless you cannot possibly not want to win a match never mind a trophy
12 years since we won the FA Cup and this is one of our best chances in years. Might be another 12 years before we get as close again.
Want LvG out as much as anyone but he'll be gone anyway in the summer whether we win the cup or not - nevertheless you cannot possibly not want to win a match never mind a trophy
You really so confident lvg will be gone come what may? Wish I had your confidence!
Desperately hope we win the cup as its been a ridiculously long time coming but in all truth, if we do mange it I'm really nit convinced Woodward would actually act on replacing van Gaal with Mourinho. He could look at it as justification for sticking with him and be more open to us keeping the plan in place with Giggs taking over when he leaves. I think it's pretty obvious Mourinho is who we need to combat City and Guardiola going forward but if after this seasons disappointments I think Louie will want to prove people wrong next season and stick with the youngsters he's embedded into the team.
Of course, just now a question of time , imo it was all decided a long time ago, if we're in the Cup Final, he can leave gracefully either way after that.
We used to win the FA Cup in the 70s and 80s quite regularly - that is not the level we have to be at now - PL & CL challenging is a must, we are not there at the moment.
Seems unlikely that the FA Cup is very important to Woody. I don't dismiss the possibility that LVG may yet save his arse and see out his contract, but if that possibility depends on sheer results, my guess would be that 4th is what it's all about. Doubt very much an FA Cup win would make any difference.
It would make you weep. How can a United fan not respond to a night like that? Four of our own youngsters providing the impetus for a deserved, edge of the seat victory away from home against a good side in the cup quarter-finals? Sometimes , the bigger picture doesn't matter a bollix. Is this not what we're in it for? I watched that with my 6 year old son, the two of us jumping around hugging each other. Take it when you you can get it, lads.
I still want him gone!
Everyone wants him gone but I can't take fans that don't want us winning the FA cup seriously.
Even if he somehow got fourth place he still needs to go because we didn't spend a quarter of a billion pounds to turn into Arsenal. He has shown no progression at all, this in a season where City and Chelsea have faltered, clearly he is not the man to take us forward. Apart from Martial, Shaw (who really wasn't his signing) and Blind his signings stink whilst he has a revolving door policy on the kids even if they display initial promise. Woodward can't possibly be looking at us, Leicester and Spurs then come to the conclusion that this clown should stay.
If Mourinho is not the consensus candidate then find someone who is and fast because we should be making moves to sign players for the summer with clarity. We can't afford to continue this way, out of the five biggest clubs in football we were the only ones playing a domestic cup replay, this week, whilst others were fighting for a semi final place in the world's premier football competition, all because of this clown.
I agree with this 100% , yes I want him gone , I also want the FA Cup , will take the edge of a bad season, I also dont understand those that want us to lose games.
whats second tier about the FA Cup !
I think its more a reflection of people having serious doubts about our board's ability to see clearly and take decisive action. I don't necessarily agree with them but I also share the concern that Van Gaal is certain to cause lasting damage to the club which the short term joy of winning the FA CUP won't adequately offset. If people had confidence in the board I don't think we would see this view but if those cnuts could keep their heads in the sand through that December run then they are likely to build Van Gaal a statue if he wins the CUP, that bit is scary but almost certain.
I want LVG sacked even if we win the FA cup. (and for that matter, getting 4th on top of that)
if you think about it, it really is the best option for all parties. fans don't have to withstand his soul destroying football and a trophy winning season to send LVG off.
if you think about it, it really is the best option for all parties. fans don't have to withstand his soul destroying football and a trophy winning season to send LVG off.
Aye, I want LvG out (at almost all cost), but I have to agree with you.
I'll just close my eyes and hope the FA cup win + 4th (thumbs crossed) doesn't save him his job!
I agree, but I'm not convinced Woody and the board do.
Fans together have the power to make it impossible for the sandman to go on another season. He is probably going to talk about his army of fans again after the season because he still thinks it exists.
Sorry but we aren't Arsenal. Scraping past a few lower league sides then West Ham, probably against Everton/Watford or Crystal Palace also to win it is not worth celebration when it means we probably won't get anywhere near the Premier League title or Champions League qualification next season, most likely beyond with the lack of quality alternate managers available.
It's like being told you've won £10 but you have to pick it out of your ass with a giant pair of barbed tweezers in order to get it.
Win the FA Cup and LvG retires gracefully with some pride. That's my hope.
I understand everyone's fear that if we lift the FA Cup that the board will decide to keep LVG after all, presumably the entire decision turning on whether we win the FA Cup or not.
It's not going to go that way. LVG will or will not be sacked based on our final league position, if it's even still an open question. I seriously doubt that it is.
It's not going to go that way. LVG will or will not be sacked based on our final league position, if it's even still an open question. I seriously doubt that it is.
Well i dont find it to be a 2nd tier but said it to avoid discussion about it,think many here find FA Cup just a above CC.
Obviously Van Gaal has to go. The question now is if Mourinho is the right replacement or should we look for someone with a less of a proven record of winning (everyone now that Pep is gone) but who has some patience with youngsters and didn't turn up his nose at De Bruyne and Lukaku.
A top 4 finish and a FA cup win will give us more bargaining power in terms player acquisition and will strengthen our hand with regards to hiring the next manager. It'll be great if Van Gaal can achieve that bare minimum.
We win the FA cup after 11 long years, VG gets to brag about having won a trophy in every country he has managed, Woody doesn't lose on his revenue...win, win for everyone. Then VG cites the adverse affects of the job in his old age and takes premature retirement.
#Dream
We win the FA cup after 11 long years, VG gets to brag about having won a trophy in every country he has managed, Woody doesn't lose on his revenue...win, win for everyone. Then VG cites the adverse affects of the job in his old age and takes premature retirement.
#Dream
No, no it wasn't. I just think this all somehow went over your head. You took umbrage with a hypothetical scenario and that's ok, maybe you just don't like 'em. Anyhow, roll on FA Cup
Nah, you're probably right. I think there are good reasons against Mou, but unless we can get Pochettino, I think Mourinho is probably the best option. Certainly the safest.
His record is incredible and we might as well hope he can make us exciting and play youngsters while winning instead of hiring someone who plays exciting football and likes youngsters but has no track record of winning. Nobody who has all 3 exists with the possible exception of Tuchel, Guardiola, Klopp or Bielsa and none of those are happening.
It's pretty crazy there aren't more serious candidates, even with the insane financial inequality limiting the ability for someone like Ferguson to work miracles like he did at Aberdeen and show himself a true talent at a high level in Europe.
I thought Emery might emerge as a star but Sevilla are literally winless away in La Liga this season. Berizzo's Celta Vigo play great football and he's a Bielsa disciple like Pochettino (and basically a sane Bielsa is my ideal manager), but the homophobic rant he went on was so fecked up and hateful and unhinged that I don't think he should be anywhere near the club without proof of a lobotomy.
The only other Prem manager I'd be cautiously optimistic with is Eddie Howe. People would freak out because he has no experience in Europe or in the top half of a top division, but he was League Manager of the Decade because he's won 3 promotions in 7 seasons, kept Bournemouth up this season even though Callum Wilson got injured, they play excellent, technically driven football and he's done well in the transfer market at times, signing solid Prem players like Charlie Austin, Ings and Trippier while in lower divisions. I am concerned that he signed the visibly obese Tomlin from Boro this summer, but to his credit he also chucked him out damn near immediately.
I definitely want us to win the FA Cup, it's a trophy for goodness sake and there are many to win each season. I also would prefer LVG to move on, but I really don't hate the guy. Actually I like him as a person, character. So the ideal situation for me would be to win it and then for LVG to say...hey, fans....sorry it didn't work out the way I wanted it to, but I leave you with many thanks and a trophy, good luck.
I doubt it will have any bearing on him staying or not. If anything it demonstrates our players are capable when up for it but LVG can't actually get them to do it consistently.
The ultimate master of a slow death.
When he is on the brink, he does something to survive but then moves the team to the bitter end again.
I'd be hugely surprised if he won the FA Cup. He won't, unfortunately, and won't make the top 4 either.
When he is on the brink, he does something to survive but then moves the team to the bitter end again.
I'd be hugely surprised if he won the FA Cup. He won't, unfortunately, and won't make the top 4 either.
Anyone else actually worried that if we win the FA cup we wont sack him?
He said in yesterdays interview that he wants to win a title/trophy in England as he won in every league hes managed. Ideal scenario would be winning it and he walks with his head held high but I can't see that happening
He said in yesterdays interview that he wants to win a title/trophy in England as he won in every league hes managed. Ideal scenario would be winning it and he walks with his head held high but I can't see that happening
T'riffic post, as Harry Redknapp would say.
Woody did not look so happy at the final whistle, maybe us winning the match last night has slightly held up his plans.
I still find it utterly bizarre that fans could be seriously discussing whether they want to win the FA Cup. Does this happen at all clubs when people are frustrated with the manager? Or only those with an overinflated sense of entitlement?
My thoughts exactly, but it's not to hold up his plans to make the decision, I'm convinced that has already been made, it just delays the announcement.
He will want to win the FA Cup as much as anyone of us fans and it's wonderful for the club if it does but it doesn't get us into the CL which is vital
We won't be getting top 4 so he'll be getting sacked anyway.
Therefore he might as well win the FA Cup before he goes.
Therefore he might as well win the FA Cup before he goes.
Just the entitled fans 100%.
Winning the FA Cup would be the best day in 95% of current clubs supporters lives. A team like West Brom or Stoke would absolutely go wild for it. Look at how made up Arsenal fans were.
To actively want to go out is ludicrous.
Last night's result changes nothing for me. I want Louis Van Gaal out. Louis claimed the result showed the players are still fighting for him, I think the opposite is true. West Ham are significantly better than many of the teams we have lost to this year. The fact the players' showed up for last night's game, but didn't for fixtures like Sunderland (A), shows they are playing for themselves not the manager: A cup tie offers them the chance to actually win something, so they play for their professional pride. In the league we have seen, and I am sure we will see, a totally different Manchester United. Van Gaal is incapable of getting them going over a 38 game season. He makes too many baffling decisions to make the squad believe he can get it right for the majority of a Premier League chase. He has to go. Even if we win the FA Cup, which I really hope we do because Manchester United's philosophy is winning. Something we ain't done much of recently.
Did we beat Barcelona last night or a fecking West Ham?
LvG will leave. Of course we will win games with him, our team are still a fantastic one. The fact is he do lose more than win.
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