That is literally the opposite of a fact.
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That is literally the opposite of a fact.
No if you see us as a elite club, we do lose more than we win. Tell me you do understand that
A very good West Ham. Don't belittle the performance.
I have seen this trend in the games we won this season. Arsenal were almost a full fledged team and we beat them with an U21 team and some people here go "Arsenal were in such bad form that anyone could beat them". Yes, LvG needs to go, but there is no need to throw away any of our good performances to prove a point.
I am one of the first to criticise when the team deserve it, this was not one of those occasions. Maybe we have to got into the habit of looking for the bad in a performance instead of the good points and yes I do still want LvG to go. I would keep this side together to finish the season and let them develop. That is why Leicester are top, using very few players because they haven't had the injuries. Ok, we have, but even when there are not so many he cannot resist messing with a formation that had potential. Watch him shove Rooney and Mata back in and slow the game down completely against a team that we should be filling our boots against.
No if you see us as a elite club, we do lose more than we win. Tell me you do understand that
But we are not an elite club anymore by a long way and Van Gaal I don´t believe that he will be gone next season.
Rubbish. West Ham didn't show up last night save for the last 10 minutes. They've been good this season but were poor last night.
I think Van Gaal will resign at the end of the season
Make that 70 minutes. Out of all the times I have watched West Ham this season, that was probably the worst I've seen them bar the first 70 minutes or so against Everton when they came back and won 3-2. They usually play with far more fight and drive, but they were poor last night.
they were poor last night, but we scored 2 good goals (Rashfords was cracking actually) and stood up to be counted
I just wonder what would have happened if WH had scored their goal say 10 minutes earlier. Would we have crumbled or stood firm?
I think the occasion got to WH a bit last night, but not to take away from one of our better performances this season.
Is it enough? No, hes still done more wrong than right, and he stumbled on to using Rashford due to injuries (but my word has the boy taken his chance!)
I just wonder what would have happened if WH had scored their goal say 10 minutes earlier. Would we have crumbled or stood firm?
I think the occasion got to WH a bit last night, but not to take away from one of our better performances this season.
Is it enough? No, hes still done more wrong than right, and he stumbled on to using Rashford due to injuries (but my word has the boy taken his chance!)
100% we would have crumbled.
For all that people rattle on about Januzaj and Pereira, this lad as you say has seriously taken his chance. Other kids come in, not necessarily talking about our by the way, then think they are the bees knees and disappear. Rashford seems to have good people round him, which is what's needed.
the fact that he still goes to school and his mum drives him to training, he's well grounded. I think that helps a lot. From the outside looking in, he appears to have a great attitude to learning and a temperament that keeps him unflustered. Just goes to show that its not always the ones that are hyped through the youths, reserve leagues that step up to make their mark
Martial seems similar to me, with the added benefit of maturity - when I read his interviews, it feels like I'm reading the words of an experienced pro (a 26-year-old, for example). In a season of disappointment, these guys make me proud to be a United fan.
Definitely. Good family and friends are a great help. Too many young footballers have the wrong sort hanging round them.
West Ham didn't randomly decide to be poor. It was a good performance end of.
My vote is "evaluate at the end of the season" - but really I don't think there's any evaluating to be done. He should be gone as soon as the season is over. Whether that's in terms of the calendar - after winning the FA Cup or securing top four (not bloody likely), or in terms of us having nothing left to play for, like Moyes being replaced by Giggs temporarily.
I don't really get the 'end of' part here. I mean, teams have off days and yesterday, West Ham were poor, for their standards this season. That's not to say we didn't play well as we did indeed play well after the initial ten minutes of being dire.
Win against Arsenal - Arsenal were poor
Win against West Ham - Hammers were poor
Win against City away - City didn't turn up
Lose against Spurs in 5 mins - This is our level. I am convinced.
The obsessive compulsion to spread doom and gloom everywhere is really boring.
Win against West Ham - Hammers were poor
Win against City away - City didn't turn up
Lose against Spurs in 5 mins - This is our level. I am convinced.
The obsessive compulsion to spread doom and gloom everywhere is really boring.
Nope. I would say most peoples take is that for every good performance, we have to endure several shite ones. Our good performances are clearly an anomaly under LvG so your post is a tad bit silly.
I am not saying LvG is doing a good job and I can clearly see our poor performances outweigh the good ones, but that is no reason to belittle our good performances by saying the opposition were poor or didn't turn up.
I'm pretty sure people haven't been as gloomy about our good performances this season as you have made out, though. After the Arsenal game there was widespread praise on here for our youngsters and there was definitely a feel good factor about the place. Yes, people probably ridiculed Arsenal, but rightly so considering they lost to such an inexperienced team when they were being talked up as possible league winners.
Having seen a few West Ham games this season, it's pretty fair to say that they were poor for most of last nights game. But we definitely played well and the likes of Fellaini, DDG and Rashford deserve credit. We let West Ham have all the ball in the first ten minutes but after that - until they pulled one back anyway - we played a-lot better than we have been playing recently.
People who put, or say, "end of" in a conversation do my head in. The discussion isn't over because you've decided your opinion is the only one that is true and matters. It is a discussion on a public forum, after all.
You're right, it was a good performance. But West Ham also played badly. Had West Ham played to their recent high standards would we still have won? I'm not so sure. Payet, on his day, might have popped a couple of those free kicks in to the corner of the net. Had Carroll had a better game, he might have bagged one.
Same as Fergie's first 2 seasons then only Fergie's third wasn't much better. There will never be another Fegie though. Not because he was a God like creature but simply because fans would never allow a Fergie to develop these days. Not saying LVG is that man but the point would be the same regardless.
And if Herrera had one of his best games he might have bagged one....have you got all night?
Well I'm only 30 so I can't comment on Fergie's early days; I mean, I know all about them but I didn't witness what it was like to be a fan at the time.
What I do know is that football has completely changed since those days in every way possible. So the possibility of the league seeing a manager with longevity of Fergie or Wenger again is highly unlikely. It's pretty obvious that LvG isn't the man to take this club forward, not to mention the fact that he is most likely retiring in 2017 anyway.
A manager that could take this club forward and win nearly every game and keep everyone happy doesn't exist! People calling For Maureen like he's some Messiah and just what the doctor ordered for this club make me laugh. 10 games in if we are doing as well as his Chelsea side were when he left (who had far better players btw being champions) the same cr*p would surface.
The last team to bring in this many youngsters and actually win anything was us over 20 years ago. We actually proved since it was a one off. Expecting any manager to take over, play these youngsters (which I believe should be the case) but still guarantee taking the club back to the top sharpish could be in for more pain. Its going to take more seasons of patience to get this crop where they could take us!
but the best of this crop, should be blended with better players so they can develop properly, and be teamed with a manager who gives clear instructions and has a clear game plan.
I am still trying to find out when this 4th place trophy became our holy grail?
Agree on Rashford and also agree on Januzaj (with caveats). But of those (including me) bemoaning Pereira aren't railing for his being a regular starter etc. but just wondering what the lad needs to do to earn a run of a few games. He's - by most accounts and evidence of play for club and country - quite the talent. He was given a contract and has then been left to rot. Unlike Januzaj he's not been given game-time and even when he was brought on as a sub, was shunted out wide which is not his position.
Rashford has indeed grabbed his chance - but what's helped him has been the shocking fact that LvG has (most of the time) actually played him in his correct position. Of course, now that Rooney is back, I fully expect him to get shunted to RB or CB...
Bingo! What gets me is that while the squad isn't the greatest we've ever had (strikers? what?), it's nowhere close to how bad our results have been. All said and done, man for man, we have a better group of players than Leicester on paper and yet trail them by a ridiculous number of points. We have had to suffer absolutely humiliating losses and performances to the dross of the league (Norwich at home, Sunderland away...) and have scored just 39 goals in the league thus far. Should we really be so poor? That's why even our good wins are greeted with nothing close to the euphoria of the past, since most of the time fans are waiting for the quick slap down the following week. Our longest "winning run" has been 3 games! 3 games! That's what makes each fan view the good performances as outliers and exceptions rather than the rule.
Somebody said this earlier in this huge thread.
Its like he has a cheat code. When he is on the brink, on his last life in a computer game. he enters the cheat code and he has all his lives back.
I don't think anyone expects us to just go and win the league under a new manager but they want to see some progression. Where has the progression been this season? All I'm seeing is regression. We are potentially going to finish lower in the league than we did last season, score less goals and we have already lost more league games than we did last season. LvG has, for the most part failed with his transfer activities and his tactics and substitutions are bizarre. I'm sorry but I don't expect to see instant success under a new manager but I definitely expect far more progression than LvG has 'achieved' in his two seasons here.
It's the Wenger Way...quite appropriate, considering we're becoming Arsenal.
He should be sacked whatever happens between now and the end of May.
Even if we finish 4th and win the cup.
Even if we finish 4th and win the cup.
Hehehe. Very good point.
The problem is that our standards have fallen quite dramatically, so this would go some way to explain the excitement of beating WHU.
And they will be this summer no doubt. I assume Maureen's instructions bewildered Chelsea, or have Barca stopped following the clear instructions they get. Basically unless a team is winning the instructions to them are not clear? maybe they are just thick?
Its possible
The game plan is always to win with LVG. Seems straight forward enough.yes WH are a team not bedding in 4-5 kids and having their best selection fit and firing for the past 3 months not beaten at home since last November.....because we are entitled to rock up and win.....some fans need a decade in the wilderness!
No, no it wasn't. I just think this all somehow went over your head. You took umbrage with a hypothetical scenario and that's ok, maybe you just don't like 'em. Anyhow, roll on FA Cup
Yes it was, your subtle digs at me do nothing to diminish the fact that you are spending time making up scenarios in which you would hope United lose. It's ridiculous
And they will be this summer no doubt. I assume Maureen's instructions bewildered Chelsea, or have Barca stopped following the clear instructions they get. Basically unless a team is winning the instructions to them are not clear? maybe they are just thick?
Its possible
I wouldn't be so sure about that
I think, for a long time, LVG's priority has been to avoid defeat - rather than win games - to in order keep his job. To him, winning is a happy accident, a bonus.
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