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Red-Jeff said:
Yes it was, your subtle digs at me do nothing to diminish the fact that you are spending time making up scenarios in which you would hope United lose. It's ridiculous :lol:
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You see, there were no subtle digs. You're just overly sensitive for some reason. Yeah wow, a hypothetical scenario on a football forum! Madness, my man, madness...
 
Usual load of tripe

United win - the other team were poorer than we are
United don't win - we are poor

Continuing story

Odd we have generally a good record against the top teams who all just happened to be poor on the day we played them

And no I don't like LVG
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Usual load of tripe

United win - the other team were poorer than we are
United don't win - we are poor

Continuing story

Odd we have generally a good record against the top teams who all just happened to be poor on the day we played them

And no I don't like LVG
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Not this season tbh, that was last season.
 
Cassidy said:
Not this season tbh, that was last season.
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Counting Leicester, Spurs, Arsenal, City, West Ham, Chelsea and Liverpool:

4 defeats in 16 games, 6 wins, 6 draws. It's better than most SAF seasons I think, especially considering how poor the team is.
 
Robbie Boy said:
You see, there were no subtle digs. You're just overly sensitive for some reason. Yeah wow, a hypothetical scenario on a football forum! Madness, my man, madness...
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The point remains, it was a ridiculous post. Why would a United fan make up situations in which he wouldn't want his team to win? Madness, I agree!
 
Red-Jeff said:
The point remains, it was a ridiculous post. Why would a United fan make up situations in which he wouldn't want his team to win? Madness, I agree!
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It was a hypothetical situation. Unfortunately these are extraordinary circumstances with the possibility of LvG being here next season. Anyhow, lets stop clogging the thread up. My hypothetical scenario was bang on and I'm still baffled by your overly upset replies. Back on topic, can't wait to see the back of LvG.
 
berbatrick said:
Counting Leicester, Spurs, Arsenal, City, West Ham, Chelsea and Liverpool:

4 defeats in 16 games, 6 wins, 6 draws. It's better than most SAF seasons I think, especially considering how poor the team is.
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24 points out of a possible 48 against the top 7 isn't great. I'd be shocked if SAF was worse.
 
Robbie Boy said:
It was a hypothetical situation. Unfortunately these are extraordinary circumstances with the possibility of LvG being here next season. Anyhow, lets stop clogging the thread up. My hypothetical scenario was bang on and I'm still baffled by your overly upset replies. Back on topic, can't wait to see the back of LvG.
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No, your hypothetical was pretty shit. Completely out of touch with reality and it seemed like you were just trying to find a scenario that you would want United to lose in. I agree, let's stop clogging up the thread. You obviously aren't getting it :lol:
 
Amar__ said:
Did we beat Barcelona last night or a fecking West Ham?
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And what's that got to do with anything?

It's the same story everytime. When it looks like he's on the edge of getting the sack or when things really could turn nasty, he somehow manages to get a performance out of the players and win.

I'm sorry but, don't see what I've said is wrong and don't see what your point is
 
.Rossi said:
And what's that got to do with anything?

It's the same story everytime. When it looks like he's on the edge of getting the sack or when things really could turn nasty, he somehow manages to get a performance out of the players and win.

I'm sorry but, don't see what I've said is wrong and don't see what your point is
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My point is that this game wasn't any more important than our last game against Tottenham. Anytime we win some games after few losses people talk like van Gaal saved his arse with that game, which clearly isn't the case, because our board clealrly didn't plan to fire him, as we saw many times. And it's not like it was impressive win either, we almost conceeded goal or two towards the end, our keeper saved us like so many times this season.

Just because we sometimes end a bad period with a win against decent side doesn't mean van Gaal and the players made a miracle. We won, it happens.
 
berbatrick said:
Counting Leicester, Spurs, Arsenal, City, West Ham, Chelsea and Liverpool:

4 defeats in 16 games, 6 wins, 6 draws. It's better than most SAF seasons I think, especially considering how poor the team is.
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Just quick check from Fergie's last season(against too 9, considering you mention 16 games, right?):

vs liv 2 wins
vs spurs draw and a defeat
vs che 1 win 1 defeat
vs Arse 1 win 1 draw
vs City 1 win 1 defeat
vs Everton(5th that season) 1 win 1 defeat
vs Wba(8th that season) 1 win 1 defeat
Vs Swansea(9th) 1 win 1 draw

So, that 8 wins, 3 draws, 5 defeats. 27 points in the PL. Defeat vs Chelsea came when we already sealed the season, same with 2 draws with Arsenal and WBA.

And we had far better seasons with Fergie.
 
Amar__ said:
My point is that this game wasn't any more important than our last game against Tottenham. Anytime we win some games after few losses people talk like van Gaal saved his arse with that game, which clearly isn't the case, because our board clealrly didn't plan to fire him, as we saw many times. And it's not like it was impressive win either, we almost conceeded goal or two towards the end, our keeper saved us like so many times this season.

Just because we sometimes end a bad period with a win against decent side doesn't mean van Gaal and the players made a miracle. We won, it happens.
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Ah OK. Understand you now. Didn't see the game just was going on comments on here
 
berbatrick said:
Counting Leicester, Spurs, Arsenal, City, West Ham, Chelsea and Liverpool:

4 defeats in 16 games, 6 wins, 6 draws. It's better than most SAF seasons I think, especially considering how poor the team is.
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Right, but what about the teams in the lower half of the table.
What about the 4th - 5th place trophy which we targeted last year and this year.
How are you going to defend that?

You need to look at the bigger picture and not just a few isolated games, against specific teams.
Yesterday (IMO), was our best attacking performance. However, the good performances don't come often enough.
The main target for top teams is to win trophies, not get 4th place. Even LFC would never publicly state that they are targeting 4th place (and they haven't won the league in decades). LFC will ALWAYS target the league and if the board decide that the current manager is not capable of this, he is replaced (something which happens in all top clubs).
 
Amar__ said:
Just quick check from Fergie's last season(against too 9, considering you mention 16 games, right?):

vs liv 2 wins
vs spurs draw and a defeat
vs che 1 win 1 defeat
vs Arse 1 win 1 draw
vs City 1 win 1 defeat
vs Everton(5th that season) 1 win 1 defeat
vs Wba(8th that season) 1 win 1 defeat
Vs Swansea(9th) 1 win 1 draw

So, that 8 wins, 3 draws, 5 defeats. 27 points in the PL. Defeat vs Chelsea came when we already sealed the season, same with 2 draws with Arsenal and WBA.

And we had far better seasons with Fergie.
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Not top 9. I included FA Cup and Europa League games. The record improves without them. It becomes:

12 games
5 wins, 5 draws, 2 defeats.
I made this season's top teams (all those above us) and added Liverpool and Chelsea, because they count.
 
FFS I'm not defending him. But it's fair to say his big-game record is (mostly) good. 2 bad defeats, a few narrow losses, many draws, but a lot of wins too over 2 seasons.
 
Adebesi said:
I still find it utterly bizarre that fans could be seriously discussing whether they want to win the FA Cup. Does this happen at all clubs when people are frustrated with the manager? Or only those with an overinflated sense of entitlement?
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Ahhh the classic ad hominem 'shut up you spoilt glory-hunter' argument. What a wonderful and original way of tackling this issue.

Since Ferguson retired United have fallen further than could have been imagined when he was here. The fact we are now struggling to even qualify for the CL is a humiliating slide and a disgrace for a club with the money and fanbase we have. The past three years have served up the worst football I've ever seen at United. I don't know if you go to games, but I do, and due to travel commitments have to build my entire day around it; you can imagine how many days have been wasted since 2013.

If we supported a team that had massively overachieved by winning trophies (such as Leicester this year or Forest in the late '70s) yes, we would be spoilt if we complained when they stopped winning. But United are one of the biggest clubs in world football and we are seeing the empire crumble in a horribly self-inflicted way, through parasitic owners and incompetent senior management.

If LVG wins games, and wins the FA Cup, it allows the Glazers, Woodward and LVG to escape the scrutiny they deserve, and makes the chance of genuine, necessary change even less likely.

If you think that I have an overinflated sense of entitlement in railing against these problems, well, good for you.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Ahhh the classic ad hominem 'shut up you spoilt glory-hunter' argument. What a wonderful and original way of tackling this issue.

Since Ferguson retired United have fallen further than could have been imagined when he was here. The fact we are now struggling to even qualify for the CL is a humiliating slide and a disgrace for a club with the money and fanbase we have. The past three years have served up the worst football I've ever seen at United. I don't know if you go to games, but I do, and due to travel commitments have to build my entire day around it; you can imagine how many days have been wasted since 2013.

If we supported a team that had massively overachieved by winning trophies (such as Leicester this year or Forest in the late '70s) yes, we would be spoilt if we complained when they stopped winning. But United are one of the biggest clubs in world football and we are seeing the empire crumble in a horribly self-inflicted way, through parasitic owners and incompetent senior management.

If LVG wins games, and wins the FA Cup, it allows the Glazers, Woodward and LVG to escape the scrutiny they deserve, and makes the chance of genuine, necessary change even less likely.

If you think that I have an overinflated sense of entitlement in railing against these problems, well, good for you.
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The slide Chelsea have seen with the same Maureen most on here want must really shock you then. Why is 5th with a chance of top 4 further than anyone could have imagined post Fergie many thought it was going to be tough to get back. We are not in Germany or Spain where the top teams can change what they want and still never drop down the league until order is restored. You talk a lot of garbage....
 
JohnnyKills said:
Ahhh the classic ad hominem 'shut up you spoilt glory-hunter' argument. What a wonderful and original way of tackling this issue.

Since Ferguson retired United have fallen further than could have been imagined when he was here. The fact we are now struggling to even qualify for the CL is a humiliating slide and a disgrace for a club with the money and fanbase we have. The past three years have served up the worst football I've ever seen at United. I don't know if you go to games, but I do, and due to travel commitments have to build my entire day around it; you can imagine how many days have been ruined since 2013.

If we supported a team that had massively overachieved by winning trophies (such as Leicester this year or Forest in the late '70s) yes, we would be spoilt if we complained when they stopped winning. But United are one of the biggest clubs in world football and we are seeing the empire crumble in a horribly self-inflicted way, through parasitic owners and incompetent senior management.

If LVG wins games, and wins the FA Cup, and allows the Glazers, Woodward and LVG to escape the scrutiny they deserve, and makes the chance of genuine, necessary change even less likely.

If you think that I have an overinflated sense of entitlement in railing against these problems, well, good for you.
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On one level I do. Or rather, I think we are all concerned about how far we have fallen behind. I dont think wanting us to miss out on the FA Cup makes you any more concerned about our situation that anyone else. It just means you see missing out as a solution to the problem, whereas I would see it as deepening it. The problem we have is we are not winning enough games. For me it is nonsensical to see losing a game as a solution to the problem of not winning games.

I dont want Woodward to see us winning the FA Cup as a reason to keep Van Gaal. But if he does, the problem is that specific decision - to keep Van Gaal in place - not the fact that we won the FA Cup. A lot has been said about this hypothetical link between us winning it and Van Gaal staying, which is extremely speculative. Even if we could somehow know this link actually existed I would still want us to win. But the fact that we have no way of knowing it does makes it pretty self-defeating in my view.
 
RedorDead21 said:
The slide Chelsea have seen with the same Maureen most on here want must really shock you then. Why is 5th with a chance of top 4 further than anyone could have imagined post Fergie many thought it was going to be tough to get back. We are not in Germany or Spain where the top teams can change what they want and still never drop down the league until order is restored. You talk a lot of garbage....
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Sorry, who are you? And are you in the habit of throwing out insults over the internet? What an interesting life you must lead.

United are one of the top three clubs in world football in terms of popularity, and one of the top two clubs in terms of revenue. How can the past three years be anything other than a disaster?

Mourinho wouldn't be my ideal choice but he seems the best option available. He's only had one bad season since he came to prominence 12 years ago. I'd take my chances with him rather than risk another calamity with Giggs or persevere with the charlatan we have now.

Feel free to disagree, but leave the insults to one side... it's generally not a good look to insult complete strangers.
 
LVG has nearly fluked his way to an FA Cup final.

Then again, we have a pretty good team and some quality youngsters, so they're bound to put in a good performance here and there and win some important games even with LVG's tumescent, prehistoric instructions.

Win the final and please feck off, thank you.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Sorry, who are you? And are you in the habit of throwing out insults over the internet? What an interesting life you must lead.

United are one of the top three clubs in world football in terms of popularity, and one of the top two clubs in terms of revenue. How can the past three years be anything other than a disaster?

Mourinho wouldn't be my ideal choice but he seems the best option available. He's only had one bad season since he came to prominence 12 years ago. I'd take my chances with him rather than risk another calamity with Giggs or persevere with the charlatan we have now.

Feel free to disagree, but leave the insults to one side... it's generally not a good look to insult complete strangers.
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Also I hadn't noticed that Chelsea had risen to the CL places since Jose left. There are bigger problems there than Jose. Players are still just going through the motions, when they should have been trying to prove that they weren't the cause if Chelsea's woes.
 
Adebesi said:
On one level I do. Or rather, I think we are all concerned about how far we have fallen behind. I dont think wanting us to miss out on the FA Cup makes you any more concerned about our situation that anyone else. It just means you see missing out as a solution to the problem, whereas I would see it as deepening it. The problem we have is we are not winning enough games. For me it is nonsensical to see losing a game as a solution to the problem of not winning games.

I dont want Woodward to see us winning the FA Cup as a reason to keep Van Gaal. But if he does, the problem is that specific decision - to keep Van Gaal in place - not the fact that we won the FA Cup. A lot has been said about this hypothetical link between us winning it and Van Gaal staying, which is extremely speculative. Even if we could somehow know this link actually existed I would still want us to win. But the fact that we have no way of knowing it does makes it pretty self-defeating in my view.
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Fair play, each to his own I guess. There's no right and wrong way of viewing this, is there?
 
JohnnyKills said:
Sorry, who are you? And are you in the habit of throwing out insults over the internet? What an interesting life you must lead.

United are one of the top three clubs in world football in terms of popularity, and one of the top two clubs in terms of revenue. How can the past three years be anything other than a disaster?

Mourinho wouldn't be my ideal choice but he seems the best option available. He's only had one bad season since he came to prominence 12 years ago. I'd take my chances with him rather than risk another calamity with Giggs or persevere with the charlatan we have now.

Feel free to disagree, but leave the insults to one side... it's generally not a good look to insult complete strangers.
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you seem angry
 
Red-Jeff said:
No, your hypothetical was pretty shit. Completely out of touch with reality and it seemed like you were just trying to find a scenario that you would want United to lose in. I agree, let's stop clogging up the thread. You obviously aren't getting it :lol:
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Okey dokey. You're not getting it. Don't quote someone if you have no point to make. Sad you had to get abusive. You started off ok but with no point to make.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Fair play, each to his own I guess. There's no right and wrong way of viewing this, is there?
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Er....

Randall Flagg said:
Wrong way is hoping for your team to lose IMO
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I wasnt going to say it but....

At the end of the day it makes no odds to me how anyone supports their team, its not like it makes any actual difference to the outcome what you want to happen. In that sense no, there are no right and wrong ways, each to his own. There are just ways that strike me as misguided at best.

I guess it does help that I am pretty confident that Van Gaal will go this summer regardless of what happens. I have felt that way for quite some time now. So I dont have this worry about the potential implications of winning the FA Cup, like some people do. But as I said, even if I was more concerned about it, I would still hope we won the FA Cup, while at the same time hoping that Woodward was rational enough to see that this achievement should not be sufficient for him to keep his job. I guess, from where Im standing that logic is so obvious that I cant believe it wont be obvious to Woodward as well.
 
berbatrick said:
FFS I'm not defending him. But it's fair to say his big-game record is (mostly) good. 2 bad defeats, a few narrow losses, many draws, but a lot of wins too over 2 seasons.
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Yeah it is good. He just can't seem to find a way to unlock the more limited teams that sit back. I think the lack of a really good No.10 has hampered him, but he hasn't got the best out of the creative players at his disposal.

And yes, I realise I'm stating the blindingly obvious here.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Yeah it is good. He just can't seem to find a way to unlock the more limited teams that sit back. I think the lack of a really good No.10 has hampered him, but he hasn't got the best out of the creative players at his disposal.

And yes, I realise I'm stating the blindingly obvious here.
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Its really weird that we play well when we just do without playing a no10 and playing 433 even last season, but the clown still doesn't get it. He hasn't been hampered, he has hampered himself.
 
endless_wheelies said:
Sorry but we aren't Arsenal. Scraping past a few lower league sides then West Ham, probably against Everton/Watford or Crystal Palace also to win it is not worth celebration when it means we probably won't get anywhere near the Premier League title or Champions League qualification next season, most likely beyond with the lack of quality alternate managers available.

It's like being told you've won £10 but you have to pick it out of your ass with a giant pair of barbed tweezers in order to get it.
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Wow. What a dreadful, analytical way to watch football. It's supposed to get you in the gut, regardless of the surrounding context. If it ever stops affecting me like that, I'm out. I pity you, Wheelies.
 
If VanBallbag wins the FA cup, also leads us to a late surge up the league and makes us champions, formulates a cure for cancer on his matchday notepad, and devises a sustainable plan to solve all famine in the world, I still hope he gets sacked!!!
 
RedorDead21 said:
yes WH are a team not bedding in 4-5 kids and having their best selection fit and firing for the past 3 months not beaten at home since last November.....because we are entitled to rock up and win.....some fans need a decade in the wilderness!
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I think you are one of them as you seem to be loving the misery and crap we have been subject to in terms of performances and results on the pitch.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Okey dokey. You're not getting it. Don't quote someone if you have no point to make. Sad you had to get abusive. You started off ok but with no point to make.
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I was never abusive lad, I said your hypothetical was shit not you. Don't get all sensitive on me now. I made my point and you just weren't able to understand it and that's okay.
 
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