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I can't really blame him any more.
He's just doing what he wants because he's allowed to.
Woodward has let it go by not sacking him and allowing the last four months to happen, whilst the Glazers do not give a flying monkeys as long as they carry on coining it in.
The fans who don't protest against the shit they have to endure probably deserve some credit for him staying this long too.
All in all its a pretty hopeless situation, but Van Gaal is by far not the only person responsible.
He's just doing what he wants because he's allowed to.
Woodward has let it go by not sacking him and allowing the last four months to happen, whilst the Glazers do not give a flying monkeys as long as they carry on coining it in.
The fans who don't protest against the shit they have to endure probably deserve some credit for him staying this long too.
All in all its a pretty hopeless situation, but Van Gaal is by far not the only person responsible.
I'd given up hope a while ago (winter) after supporting van Gaal for a long while (autumn, just like you). Once realization dawned, I too went from angry to resigned, but here's the nub. I'm now back to being absolutely livid. LvG isn't just destroying this season, but setting us up for a longer-term disaster. I'd not blame CBJ, Herrera, Pereira and Januzaj for taking offers in the summer and moving on. True that some of them may actually prove to not being good enough, but the evidence is lacking for that. At least a couple of them appeal to most watchers as having what it takes from a potential and skill standpoint at least. Losing them would set us back tremendously. And for what? So that people like Lingard, Young, an over-the-hill Carrick and the Tree Fellaini continue to turn out for us? Or another few 100 million are burnt on replacements?
Along with that, unless de Gea is a complete masochist or totally in love with the club, I'd not blame him for wanting out too. Playing behind the shower that he's forced to would be enough to drive anyone crazy, leave along potentially one of the top 2-3 keepers in the world... LvG's leaving a mountain to climb for whoever steps in (please don't let that be Giggs...). This season LvG hasn't just lost matches and dropped out of the Top 4, but he's caused the brand and morale (for players, staff and supporters) to take the kind of beating that could take years to recover from - in terms of attractiveness to managers as well as players... and I shudder to imaging what our sponsors think of it... and they are frankly the guys who fuel this gravy train...
By the bye, the Scum are now 4 behind (with a game in hand) and playing so much better than us that I'm worried about their nipping ahead of us too... and they will have Klopp overseeing the summer business as well as the new season. Unless we get rid and get rid fast and for the best option available, we're shafted, long-term.
I'm going to bury my head in the sand until it becomes clear that Woodward is sticking with his guy. When the exodus of our best players begins this summer I am sure my anger will return.
Still hurts a bit every time Hernandez scores a goal, he's got 25 for the season now. My only consolation is that, in a Van Gaal team, playing Van Gaal's negative football, it would never have happened. You're right though. If we let Louis sell off more of our players they'll just go on to do well elsewhere. Meanwhile the players Van Gaal keeps will continue to struggle with his 'philosophy' and his 'process'.
Leicester winning the league is a real fairytale story but lets be honest, for Manchester United to be NINETEEN points behind is horrendous.
This bloke simple hasn't got a leg to stand on and the good of the club and fans he needs to be moved on.
This bloke simple hasn't got a leg to stand on and the good of the club and fans he needs to be moved on.
How he has survived this long, is quite frankly, insane.
Edit: just saw it was already posted, apologies
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Enough evidence of this. When I first read di Maria's quotes, I felt he overdid it a bit. Upon reflection, I reluctantly agreed that he had a point. After the Spurs game, it's undoubtable. di Maria was not a random player and not a fledgling. He was an established superstar who had been doing a stellar job for club and country in a specific position. We bought him and then almost never played him in that position. For LvG to then say that AdM wasn't trying hard enough is astounding. I recall that at the time fans felt AdM was probably just trying too hard when he was brought on (normally as a sub and out of position) leading to poor displays. Yes, he did let his head drop and stopped trying after a while, but by that time, he probably saw (well before the rest of us) that LvG's team and philosophy was a lost cause... I'll never feel warmth about his time here and will always wonder about what may have been, but I can't blame him. Just like I wouldn't blame any of the remaining quality players we have walking through the door if LvG stays...
The worst thing is LVG would probably get it right next year. He's explained it just the way it is: his first year was about getting rid of the +33 year olds. Next up was trying to identify the correct players - atm he's not happy with the speed and technique!
If you look at a manager like LVG and his attributes you will see he's not the best tactical coach. He's more about finding the correct man for the future. Just look at some of the prospects coming through now. I can tell you I'm amazed and there's probably more to come.
Some of you dorks behave as if we've got some first timer on the job. Just let me say AJAX, BARCELONA, BAYERN MÜNCHEN, THE NETHERLANDS. Just look at it ffs. Yes, he's not done extremely well with us exactly but to finish his job now is stupid. He's a TOP NAME in European football and will always be. He's not up there with SAF but he's absolutely one of the guys ending up in the top 10 books of modern football history.
If you look at a manager like LVG and his attributes you will see he's not the best tactical coach. He's more about finding the correct man for the future. Just look at some of the prospects coming through now. I can tell you I'm amazed and there's probably more to come.
Some of you dorks behave as if we've got some first timer on the job. Just let me say AJAX, BARCELONA, BAYERN MÜNCHEN, THE NETHERLANDS. Just look at it ffs. Yes, he's not done extremely well with us exactly but to finish his job now is stupid. He's a TOP NAME in European football and will always be. He's not up there with SAF but he's absolutely one of the guys ending up in the top 10 books of modern football history.
The obvious problem is a lack of leadership and decisiveness from those running the club.
They seem not to want to make the tough decision and move him on, and I can't for the life of me see why. Any decision to sack him at the end of the season is justified based on performance, let alone the millions of pounds he's wasted.
Woodward needs to get his head out his arse and wake up. This disaster could cost him his job so you'd like to think he's alive to the fact that change is needed. If not then he needs to go as well.
They seem not to want to make the tough decision and move him on, and I can't for the life of me see why. Any decision to sack him at the end of the season is justified based on performance, let alone the millions of pounds he's wasted.
Woodward needs to get his head out his arse and wake up. This disaster could cost him his job so you'd like to think he's alive to the fact that change is needed. If not then he needs to go as well.
There is absolutely no evidence of that. Quite the opposite, if anything.
Ed, do your weekly review and move your "sack crap manager" task from the someday/maybe-list to your actions-list. This guy needs to go yesterday.
In December/Jan I would have mustered up the anger and energy to engage in battle to pick your asinine VanGaal zealot arguments apart. But one sh*tshower after another over the past months, and with him still here I am just numb to the trauma we basically have to go through every week. Win ugly one week and I don't feel elated. Lose like we did against Spurs and I'm not surprised.
So say whatever you want, act like LVG is doing United a favour by deigning to build us the foundations of a dynasty when it's clear for all to see that the past two years have been one big disappointment, orchestrated by an arrogant and antiquated manager being in way over his head and thinking his weekly vacuous and pedantic preachings of a fraudulent philosophy will ever convince people who simply have eyes and can tell what is be served is just utter garbage.
And West Brom beat us.
Yes, he's a BIG name; 'Louis van Gaal' is a lot bigger than 'Bert Smith' or 'Joe Sock' for a start, although not so big as 'Jan Venthingy of Hesselink' or 'Rocky van Wolfswang' or whatever.
ffs why has he not gone yet? Somebody please kidnap and drop him to unknown location of no return. At least then we will have a new manager. Even Shearer will do.
According to Sky Sports News Zlatan has said he would join us, but not if LVG is in charge. Can't say I blame him.
My offer to take over for the rest of the season is still on the table. I promise not to play Darmian up front.
Obviously you can see something in his methods that the rest of the football world have failed to notice and I would love to hear the reasoning behind your faith in a manager who, with near limitless resources at his disposal, has flattered to deceive at every turn. Two years in to LVG's tenure and we as a club have made absolutely no progress whatsoever. We are no better off now than we were under David Moyes.
What makes you think he will turn it around next season?
Top ten? No chance. He's also got sacked from THREE of those jobs.
The message I'm getting from the club is that we should all just suck it up and get used to the average club we are now. No other explanation exists in my mind as to why he's still here, any club with ambition to get back to the very top would have sacked him months ago.
The biggest load of shite I've read on here for some time and there's plenty of it!
Successful's only winding you up, folks. At least, I bloody hope he is...unless he's gone Radio Rental.
Either that or he's read too many posts from Santiago Kinder Bueno or whatever his name is.
He seems totally inflexible. And by that, I mean straying from his sideways passing one-shot-on-target mentality that we adopt week after week.
The only flexibility he seems to have, is the desire for playing people in seemingly random positions which everyone else scratches their head at. Have any of these experiments worked apart from Blind at CB? I mean, Phil Jones taking corners FFS, I don't even know where to begin with that.
And one of the killers for me, is the fact that he sits rooted in his seat for the entire 90 minutes. No matter what the score, how we're playing, who out opponent is, he just sits there with his clipboard, an emotional void, awaiting the full time whistle so he can be booed off (which he will mis-hear as cheers). The last game I saw at OT was the 2nd leg Europa game against Liverpool, and the difference between him and Klopp was stark, and a wake up call for me. Klopp spent the entire game on his feet in the technical area, barking out orders, watching, calculating, encouraging, changing, and ultimately motivating the fans in the corner.
If Van Gaal even stood up now and then, it would be a nice change.
The only flexibility he seems to have, is the desire for playing people in seemingly random positions which everyone else scratches their head at. Have any of these experiments worked apart from Blind at CB? I mean, Phil Jones taking corners FFS, I don't even know where to begin with that.
And one of the killers for me, is the fact that he sits rooted in his seat for the entire 90 minutes. No matter what the score, how we're playing, who out opponent is, he just sits there with his clipboard, an emotional void, awaiting the full time whistle so he can be booed off (which he will mis-hear as cheers). The last game I saw at OT was the 2nd leg Europa game against Liverpool, and the difference between him and Klopp was stark, and a wake up call for me. Klopp spent the entire game on his feet in the technical area, barking out orders, watching, calculating, encouraging, changing, and ultimately motivating the fans in the corner.
If Van Gaal even stood up now and then, it would be a nice change.
I'm at the point now where I can't even bear to see his rosy fop haired face anymore. Sure sign that he needs to go
For all his faults, I hope Louis' time here finishes before the end-of-season awards. That would be a pretty awful experience for him, should this season peter out, and I don't wish that on him.
What makes me think he will turn things around is that we actually are doing a lot of progress in the talent department. If you look at a squad like Chelsea they're absolutely doomed to die unless you invest heavy - starting from TODAY. That team has reached its full potential and will only go down from here. I'm also sure Tottenham are at their highest level and can't progress because the size of their club. Their players are now at a stage in their career where the average peak of the squad is in zenit. I'm sure players like Alli and Kane will progress more, however, other players won't - and we're right behind them with a squad that has lots of flaws.
Those kind of jobs you eventually get sacked from. It's not Everton. It's not a serious argument you're bringing up here. If you look at the kind of players he's managed and brought in you would understand this man creates football history, and that's the reason he's at a club like Manchester United. Don't forget that.
I don't think there should even be an awards ceremony this season.
I can only hope that you're a WUM. LvG at all these clubs has won things early in his stint and after that, things have gradually fallen apart to the point where he gets booted out with the club in a downward spiral. The same has been repeated at United (the downward spiral that is) without the trophies.
Going by his past, the first season was as good as it'll ever get in his stints. He's got absolutely no history of picking clubs out of a morass one season and then winning titles in later seasons...
If I was a journalist, I would ask LvG how he's not been sacked, yet.
I shall vent....I was watching Spongebob with my offspring yesterday and I can't even enjoy that anymore, the fish in the background remind me of him... Clueless and frozen at the sidelines.
After the Arsenal game I had a bit of a change of heart, tried to see a light under his reign but this can't go on, he has brought through youth at an impressive rate but almost every established player under him has underperformed. And some of the most exciting prospects have fallen out with him in Pereira and Januzaj.
He continues to tactically misunderstand the Premier League, plays with no right winger, no creativity in the nr.10 role. Slow players all around. Put all his eggs in the Rooney basket, a player who is on an obvious decline. Fine proven players were let go and not replaced.The overly complicated corners, the overly complicated substitutions, I could go on.
In the post-game interviews he repeatedly seems to have seen an entirely different game than the general fanbase has.
He has taken away the excitement of watching United, I don't check to see who we are playing next during the week, if we concede there is no hope of winning the game. Watching United has become a choir, I will probably continue to due that but please remove this man from influence immediately. United have built up a new reputation of being boring, all of my neutral friends avoid watching United like its the plague. As commercially dependant as United have become it's a farce that Louis van Gaal is still in charge.
After the Arsenal game I had a bit of a change of heart, tried to see a light under his reign but this can't go on, he has brought through youth at an impressive rate but almost every established player under him has underperformed. And some of the most exciting prospects have fallen out with him in Pereira and Januzaj.
He continues to tactically misunderstand the Premier League, plays with no right winger, no creativity in the nr.10 role. Slow players all around. Put all his eggs in the Rooney basket, a player who is on an obvious decline. Fine proven players were let go and not replaced.The overly complicated corners, the overly complicated substitutions, I could go on.
In the post-game interviews he repeatedly seems to have seen an entirely different game than the general fanbase has.
He has taken away the excitement of watching United, I don't check to see who we are playing next during the week, if we concede there is no hope of winning the game. Watching United has become a choir, I will probably continue to due that but please remove this man from influence immediately. United have built up a new reputation of being boring, all of my neutral friends avoid watching United like its the plague. As commercially dependant as United have become it's a farce that Louis van Gaal is still in charge.
Why whatever we do achieve this season if anything will be down to a handful of academy products who will more than deserve recognition of that fact.
The thing is. We'll beat Villa. If City lose to Chelsea the gap will be back to a point.
It won't matter how bad we are if he can close that gap. I want him gone even if we get 4th but it's not up to me.
It won't matter how bad we are if he can close that gap. I want him gone even if we get 4th but it's not up to me.
cheer up mateI shall vent....I was watching Spongebob with my offspring yesterday and I can't even enjoy that anymore, the fish in the background remind me of him... Clueless and frozen at the sidelines.
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