Isn't that all we could ever do? Hope that this Portuguese winger stops fannying around and gets some end product? Hope that selling our best striker while other teams spend hundreds of millions isn't a bad idea? Hope that Mourinho's last year was just a blip?
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Isn't that all we could ever do? Hope that this Portuguese winger stops fannying around and gets some end product? Hope that selling our best striker while other teams spend hundreds of millions isn't a bad idea? Hope that Mourinho's last year was just a blip?
Well, yes, but hope as a governing principle should be the province of fans; in other words, non-experts. I expect expertise, not hope, from professionals.
It does seem that way to be honest
Well even then I think you can't do much more than hope in the crazy game of football. Who here saw Mourinho being THIS disastrously bad this year? Or us and City fighting it out for fourth place?
Don't you get bored of yourself?
I saw us battling for fourth like many people did, one of the main question was "where the goals are supposed to come from?".
As for the rest, shit happens, City and Chelsea are not standing still waiting for something to happen by itself.
I think what this season shows is the limits of setting goals like "Top 4" by which to measure the success of a season. The end result is of course important, but so is the way it was achieved. The route is as important as the destination.
You could say Top 4 and the FA Cup would be a fairly respectable - not amazing, but acceptable - result for this year. But 4th looks better if it has been secured early, and is effectively a consolation for an unsuccessful assault on the actual title, or at least a second or third placed finish. Being one of a fairly broad group of clubs slugging it out for 4th, and securing it on the last game of the season, is less impressive because it gives less confidence going into next season.
If we win the FA Cup that will be an achievement but it will not compensate for our underwhelming performance in the league. I hope and expect Van Gaal would use that as a way to salvage some credibility for his time at United and leave on a high. We arent going to win it anyway unless we play a lot better than we have of late.
You could say Top 4 and the FA Cup would be a fairly respectable - not amazing, but acceptable - result for this year. But 4th looks better if it has been secured early, and is effectively a consolation for an unsuccessful assault on the actual title, or at least a second or third placed finish. Being one of a fairly broad group of clubs slugging it out for 4th, and securing it on the last game of the season, is less impressive because it gives less confidence going into next season.
If we win the FA Cup that will be an achievement but it will not compensate for our underwhelming performance in the league. I hope and expect Van Gaal would use that as a way to salvage some credibility for his time at United and leave on a high. We arent going to win it anyway unless we play a lot better than we have of late.
I'm loath to defend Mourinho's antics and managerial mindset but let's just say that I wouldn't want to manage the likes of Fairweather Fabregas et al.
Regardless of how good Spurs & Leicester have been this season, the usual big names should be ashamed that they're fighting for scraps, even given football's unpredictability.
I get bored of replying to idiotic comments like this one.
Thanks mate
To be honest the trophies don't bother me that much, I just want Manchester United to be as ambitious, positive and well-managed as they possibly can be. And at the moment none of those things is true.
Exactly
If the club do not seem to be ambitious when promoting itself has the biggest club in the world, because of how much it costs, then why should I give my hard earned cash? to people relying on its past to fleece the fans, where is the Insentive? It just bothers me how the people running the club are happy to see us turned into alsorans
This is exactly it, there was always going to be a shortage of goals in this squad, we played most of the season without a back-up striker of any note. On top of that as you say, Chelsea and City are being proactive and getting ready for next season, we are still muddling about with this tool in charge when he should have been sacked at Christmas.
Are you crazy? Van Gaal will use it so justify his greatness at winning trophies in every country and managing to come 4th in this Elite league despite the fact that EVERY clubs has a £100 million budget, oh and of course the fact that injuries rather surprisingly savaged a small squad. Translation, it will validate his ego. He will then say we are on course as he we will of course be competing for the title next season whilst our young players adapt to the philosophy, the players get to know each other (going on double dates with the WAGS, spot of golf etc) and the phrase "how could I walk away" has been used for far less; draw with Chelski me thinks. Lads, he ain't going nowhere. We have 2 choices and it's becoming apparent. We come 5th, and start again with the disadvantage of not having champions league football with Jose at the helm. Or we qualify for the champions league and have another year of boredom and under-performance until Giggs then "has a go" at managing the biggest club in the world during one of its most vital times in recent years.
You have to see the teams that have had genuine title challenges post Sir Alex and then hear some of the excuses why we arent able to muster one ourself.
Leicester obviously stand out, but Brendan Rodgers Liverpool did too. Spurs are challenging too. None of those teams have spent as much as we have going into their respective title challenging seasons, but they could do it.
With us, its excuse after excuse.
Sir Alex proved in the past that it doesnt take millions to build a winning team. Van Gaal has just reinforced the fact that spending millions will not result in a winning team. It takes more. We have had two average managers entrusted with a job that required replacing one of the greatest managers of all time. The least we could have done to make things easier was to hire someone special. I hope we do so soon.
Leicester obviously stand out, but Brendan Rodgers Liverpool did too. Spurs are challenging too. None of those teams have spent as much as we have going into their respective title challenging seasons, but they could do it.
With us, its excuse after excuse.
Sir Alex proved in the past that it doesnt take millions to build a winning team. Van Gaal has just reinforced the fact that spending millions will not result in a winning team. It takes more. We have had two average managers entrusted with a job that required replacing one of the greatest managers of all time. The least we could have done to make things easier was to hire someone special. I hope we do so soon.
We started Fellaini as centre forward in our first game after the Transfer window, having just sold a striker.
Only an idiot would think that would have seen out the season. Unfortunately, an idiot is what we have as our manager.
It's not about building a winning team though. It's about making sure our academy players get game time and recreating the busby babes and class of 92. Wenger is a specialist in 2 of our prerequisites, playing academy players and making champions league so he is probably the best man for the job to be fair.
No it really isn't. Your argument is based on the assumption that our academy is filled with top class players which it clearly isn't. This disease of the Class of 92 cult is what is bringing us down. I'm not saying youth isn't important. It is. But there has to be an identity that the club and first team is built around that youth players can grow under and support, and can be brought in as signings because they match this identity. THAT'S what it is about. LVG has failed to do that in miserable fashion. So did Moyes.
@Stacks my point is I'm perfectly happy for our success to feed Van Gaal's ego as long as it isn't used to justify giving him another season. Again, it boils down to my own conviction that he is gone, whatever happens. Of course I may be wrong about that.
Van Gaal would want to be able to say he has won trophies wherever he has been. If he wins the FA Cup he can say it about his time here and maybe he will feel better about leaving.
Ultimately it won't be up to him, but it will make it easier to spin the whole "mutual consent" line I expect the club will take. He achieved what he set out to do, win a trophy, club decides to secure next great manager while he is available, Van Gaal saves face etc etc.
Van Gaal would want to be able to say he has won trophies wherever he has been. If he wins the FA Cup he can say it about his time here and maybe he will feel better about leaving.
Ultimately it won't be up to him, but it will make it easier to spin the whole "mutual consent" line I expect the club will take. He achieved what he set out to do, win a trophy, club decides to secure next great manager while he is available, Van Gaal saves face etc etc.
Class of 92 did not fill a squad, they were pieces of a squad filled with money signings, check the 95/96 squad there were still signings there, and lets be honest those players that broke through already had 2 years of experience in the first team, giggs had already broke through much earlier. Even the Barcelona team had money signings along with players breaking through, and Barca are a freak acception. Its not has if the class of 92 filled the squad with the spine of the team or accross the board, Ferguson mixed it up with mostly signings with some of the odd acceptions, out of that entire class scholes beckham and giggs I would say were special players
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No argument here. I'm joking pal. It's the new United season expectations don't ya know? It's a very limited philosophy that is sooo high risk that it is more suited for low risk lower level sides with few expectations.
My conviction is the opposite, our higher ups are searching for reasons to keep him and Van Gaal doesn't want to leave. He gets bottles of wine for doing his job of winning games. The "rumours" and words from his own mouth imply that he and Ed are close. I don't see Ed stabbing him in the back if he achieves Champions League qualification and a trophy especially since 3rd seems to be the lowly target. In fact 4th and the F.A. cup is arguably more favourable. It will go the way we fear. I'm certain of it. We get 4th and win the F.A. cup, he sees out the final year. It must be that way as how would Ed justify sacking his new best mate after that? Even Ferguson is giving him support whilst we are still in a poor position. They had an opportune moment to sack him and didn't. That tells me they have held onto him for some reason which means they want to give him a chance to salvage his job.
Again I was kidding. I guess I am not good at this satire stuff
Well we don't have long to see which of us is right i guess. What you are saying is quite logical, I just don't believe he is staying because the prospect is too awful.
If it's true, that says it all about the boards ambitions. The abomination of VG's reign that luckily could get 4th, should not get him a third season
Good God they either want to keep LVG or they don't. Where is the pro-activity?
The Class of 92 is going to be the anvil that sinks this club. That fecking thing is a double edged sword. It's in no way a stable way to be a world class club. Look around Europe. Every top team have 3-4 big money signings in their squad.
People who still cling to that idea are willfully deluding themselves. Class of 92 whitewashes Cantona, Keane, Cole, Stam and on and on. It's getting a little ridiculous now how much it's starting to dominate the narrative.
People who still cling to that idea are willfully deluding themselves. Class of 92 whitewashes Cantona, Keane, Cole, Stam and on and on. It's getting a little ridiculous now how much it's starting to dominate the narrative.
Holy shit he is everywhere 
,who ever pressed the green button...
,who ever pressed the green button...Not for one second am I saying this story is true, but it is what I have been thinking for a while now, and it's a horrible dilemma to have.
If us missing out on top 4 rids us of LvG, any chance of Giggs taking over, and shuts some of the deluded ex United players for while, then so be it, and that is a ridiculous position to be put in as fan, but I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking it.
This and I'm not even sure I want Mourinho, missing out on Pep, Klopp, and Ancelloti just shows how badly we are run, so Mourinho it'll have to be, but somehow I just can't see it happening.
Klopp?
Klopp would have been perfect for us imo, he'll do well for Liverpool long term.
He may.
I think he will have a meltdown and leave before we see Liverpool as a great team.
Klopp is known for his energy, but it will be always next season for them and his engine will burn out.
Not sure about them burning out. I think Klopp's adjusted his approach to this Liverpool side. You don't see his full court press as often but you see the high energy in the way they attack. There's lots and lots of movement and use of quick tempo passing.
I would too.
Remember when LVG first joined MUFC.
He said that his focus is on attacking football.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...er-insists-players-display-tactical-nous.html
Can you imagine if he had said on his first day, "We shall target 1 goal per game and we shall achieve this target. If the rival team scores 1 goal, we shall attempt to get a draw. If they score 2 goals, we shall accept defeat!".
He said that his focus is on attacking football.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...er-insists-players-display-tactical-nous.html
Can you imagine if he had said on his first day, "We shall target 1 goal per game and we shall achieve this target. If the rival team scores 1 goal, we shall attempt to get a draw. If they score 2 goals, we shall accept defeat!".
There's no point looking at his false promises. He said 1st season champions league qualification, 2nd season title, 3rd season champions league. Now making champions league salvages his season as he played a few youngsters when injury ravaged our squad
I see some of the papers are running with a story that if we don't get CL next season then the players will get a reduction in their pay.
I'd be proper pissed if the incompetence of my managers leadership financially impacted on me.
I'd be proper pissed if the incompetence of my managers leadership financially impacted on me.
The players must be calling their agents wondering if it's in their contracts.
They aren't exactly free of blame themselves. I wonder if that applies to all the players or is the captain exempt due to his ridiculous contract.
you have to consider his definition of attacking. He actually said he was confused with united fans shouting 'attack attack attack' because "we are the ones always attacking"
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