Ironcially he shouldn't have let go of half of them.
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Ironcially he shouldn't have let go of half of them.
Why we have the kids coming through strongly as a result and if people want to lose LVG as he isn't up to the job then that list showed themselves in the same boat far too often.....!
Kids are coming through but they're a level below the players we let go of. Welbeck is a better player than Rashford and both would have got gametime (for Rashford to grow). Di Maria/Nani are certainly a knotch or two above Lingard.
I'm all for promoting youth but certain players would never have been called up as early as they did had Young, Valencia, Rooney, Shaw not been injured long term.
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Lets agree to disagree.
Rashford has composure, something Danny has never had.
The funny thing is that Di Maria apart the overwhelming consesus on the Caf was that LVG was getting rid of the right players.
I think he has trimmed the squad well and I know Chicho has had a decent time in Germany but overall LVG's mistake was letting too many players go too quickly not the individual cases.
I think he has trimmed the squad well and I know Chicho has had a decent time in Germany but overall LVG's mistake was letting too many players go too quickly not the individual cases.
Well the youngsters have benefitted 100% from the squad trimming you can attack it from any angle you desire. Those players you mentioned were not good enough to get where we need to be. I'd rather sack them off and make an example of them.
Welbeck has strength, close control and superior arial ability. All things that Rashford can build on given he's only 19, but as mentioned I think both could have shared sufficient gametime.
If not Welbeck then Chicharito. LVG was daft to let go of both (alongside RVP).
So the likes of Hernandez werent good enough? Or the wingers we let go of weren't better than Lingard?
Rashford is 18. Welbeck is 25. Rashford has already a great scoring record at such tender age, Welbeck finishing is comparable to that of the Neville brothers. Its still early days for Rashford but if there's someone who can make it as a lead striker at a top club than that would be Rashford.
He's not that bad
It would be interesting to see goals to games ratio of both next season to compare.@VP89 Welbeck has done absolutely nothing so far at Arsenal that would make us regret selling him. Hernandez on the other hand has been brilliant. If I had a choice, I would have kept Hernandez but Welbeck had more than enough chances and didn't progress into the quality player that many thought he was destined to become.
I agree re. Hernandez and now wish I cited him as an example vs Rashford rather than Welbeck.. although Welbeck has been injured for pretty much the whole of this season so lets not write him off completely.
Hernandez was not good enough for how we play that's correct. He was great in the box and that's about it. In the PL the top strikers need more than that these days......
Lingard is starting off. Nani got booed off the pitch after many many years to establish himself!
He's not that bad
that isn't exactly in their hands isn't it? If United or Arsenal go on and buy a top quality striker then there's very little Rashford/Welbeck can do
He wasn't up to much last season either, to be fair. He currently has 7 goals in 31 (PL) for Arsenal so he's hardly prolific nor has he made them a better team in any other aspect of his play. Hernandez has been brilliant but I still think we needed better, the only problem with both Welbeck and Hernandez is that we didn't replace them properly. I firmly believe that once LvG is gone and we improve as a team, the Welbeck revisionism will die around this place.
How is 16 points off the top called being "near the top"?
It is if you're Twigg.
Nani was in great form pre injury, and was just coming back from injury before being sold. He barely had many runs under his belt when he came back IIRC. Certainly better than Lingard anyway who is 24? I dont see the latter improving much beyond now. As for Hernandez, yes he's a fox in the box striker but I fail to see how Rashford is much different. His contribution in all round play is no different.
Goals to game ratio would still be a good comparison - top striker competition or not?
Yeah I agree that we won't miss Welbeck as much when we properly recruit - and Welbeck wasn't the calibre we should rely on. However nor is Rashford at this stage of his career. We should have replaced the players we sold or not sold some of them at all. Having Welbeck as an option to share the burden with Rashford is better than having no Welbeck at all.
@VP89 That's the crux of it really. There's a hell of a lot of revisionism about some of the players we sold but I think it was right to move most / if not all of them on. The problem lies with the fact that we didn't replace them adequately.
Not really. There are strikers who are more suited for to super sub role then others. I really hope that the next manager will take Rashford and Martial under serious consideration. Honestly Id rather see us spend the dosh on wingers then on strikers.
Probably because we don't support Arsenal.
@Robbie Boy - agreed. And this season there is certainly a market for strikers. Whether its LVG or someone else we can't use the "Rooney as striker" logic. LVG has made so many errors this season its easy to forget he was a mess in the transfer window.
@devilish - Goals to minutes, then. I'd be very happy if Rashford becomes a player as complete as Welbeck. So far though I question whether he'l make the step up, hopefully I'm wrong.
@devilish - Goals to minutes, then. I'd be very happy if Rashford becomes a player as complete as Welbeck. So far though I question whether he'l make the step up, hopefully I'm wrong.
Welbeck is not a complete player. He's a striker with the finishing skills of a 13 year old right back whose limping off after breaking his leg. A striker must know how to score goals
So kind of complete, except for one fairly vital piece.
If you look at the bigger picture though - a very poor squad by United's standards, the loss of a huge amount of talent, both on and off the pitch, in one go, a lot of players who are good but too young to be consistent, and injuries - I think it's more than acceptable to see CL qualification and a degree of stabilisation as very decent.
The comparison to Arsenal and Wenger is tosh - they're not in a rebuilding period, have had stability for years on a scale no one can compete with and have spent a lot on absolutely brilliant players. It's an unfair comparison.
United are stabilising so that they can be a force again with whoever comes post-LVG. Arsenal have a squad with Özil, Sanchez etc etc. We're not competing on fair terms with them yet.
OK - I don't want to derail the thread. Lets just see how both players do respective to minutes played next season.
FWIW I think Welbeck or Chicharito (one of the two) would have been useful this season. And Nani.
Not that theyd be in my long term plans necessarily, but I think we went too far too fast. It reminds me of a couple of years ago when I went into my garden to prune a tree that is a little unruly but got carried away and reduced it to little more than a stump. I think he singled out the right players to let go of but we should have spread it out over last summer and this one coming, I think with less upheaval in the squad we would have fared better.
Not that theyd be in my long term plans necessarily, but I think we went too far too fast. It reminds me of a couple of years ago when I went into my garden to prune a tree that is a little unruly but got carried away and reduced it to little more than a stump. I think he singled out the right players to let go of but we should have spread it out over last summer and this one coming, I think with less upheaval in the squad we would have fared better.
True.
I think it would be unfair to compare a 25 year old established striker with an 18 year old one especially considering that Arsenal have a much smaller transfer budget then we do and more stability in their team. Rashford had shown great promise. Whether that will be further developed remain to be seen. Mou isn't known for developing youths
I'd love to know exactly what the feck happened with Nani. He seemed to disappear completely for a long time amid rumours of bust ups before leaving. Yet, I think he's someone that could have done so well under LVG.
I agreed with all the sales. The only one I regret in hindsight is Nani. He would have been better than anyone we've used on the right despite his inconsistency.
I meant LVG - sorry. Now that I think on it, I don't think Mou has Fergie's nouse per se - more a kind of animal cunning, the survival mentality - across most of his career anyway. As to his potential for redemption, if he comes to us, maybe. It's hard to view him as a potential manager as I've always found him the chief of all liars - way beyond the usual wind-up merchants. The fact that Terry idolises him also counts against - but, players will idolise anyone who plays them that much, I suppose. If you'd asked me at the start of the season, I'd have been apalled at the prospect - now my loathing is reserved for our own dear manager (so, so depressing) and I would take Mou if we can't get a decent alternative. If the press is to be believed, he really wants to come and that has to be a plus as when his is on a misson, as he would be at Utd, he can be formidable.
The club doesn't deserve my support the way things are done at the moment. Ultimately if everyone was like me LVG would be gone by now.
If everyone was like you the Holocaust would happen again.
Get in. LvG and Holocaust now in one thread.
We finished 4th last year and that was the minimum. We have spunked endless money. And what is a successful season? The season is week by week. Week by week we are being served up utter shite.
I believe this is our new standard.
The 4th place trophy is now our target, every year.
As long as our manager gets 4th place, the top brass of our club will have big smiles on their faces.
Leave the top brass. Some of our fans are also happy with it. Cannot believe that some among us are using the best case scenarios of this season to justify LVG being retained for next season.
I think you should have a lie down mate.
You appear to be the definition of a glory hunter and exactly the sort of fan which used to give us a bad name.
It's you who doesn't deserve to support our club mate, not the other way round.
Your lucky you weren't a supporter in the 70 & 80s mate, although, if you were around then, you'd no doubt have been a Liverpool supporter anyway.
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